NB the going to the OP stage.

AOECAPS

msdevious29 wrote: »

Oh yeah, Zerg so hard, lately there are only 3 or 4 of us. lol
Our "Zerg" is 2 nightblades and 2 Templars the last time we went to scourge.

Just because your "group is small" doesn't mean you don't Zerg. I've seen it first hand dozens of times with your "little" group running with 40+ ppl. Hell there's a video of 10 of you killing a DC stamblade after he picked off a couple of you and it took you guys 10 minutes to kill him and then teabagged. Lol you guys need the numbers don't kid yourself

Jaronking

msdevious29 wrote: »

Oh yeah, Zerg so hard, lately there are only 3 or 4 of us. lol
Our "Zerg" is 2 nightblades and 2 Templars the last time we went to scourge.

Hey that's the same setup for my Zerg in Scourge 1 stamina 1 magica and 2 Templars .Sometimes when we really feel zerging we bring our DK buddy.

Dracan_Fontom

Why does ZOS continue to add bonus's ( a major heal )to a class that shouldn't be super strong.

What in Oblivion are you talking about? The only heals we have are Sap Essences and Strife, both of which require high damage to be viable alone. The only other one is Soul Siphon which is an ultimate.

Ch4mpTW

NB's are at that stage. And the DB update will further push them up. It's ridiculous. People lied and lied nonstop about how DK's & Sorcerers were overpowered, but whenever NB's were brought up? They swore up n' down that NB's were weak. Now look. 2 DLC's based around NB's rouge play-style with a 3rd on the way (IC, TG, & DB)...

But, people will swear it's all "L2P" and how NB's are the most "balanced" class out. Lol. Yeah. Ok. Uh huh. Just like how NB's cloak was balanced, stopping dots n' avoiding meteors. Mmmm'hmmm. Ok.

bowmanz607

Ugghh another 0ne. It is pretty funny how the same like 10 people make these threads and comments on these threads. Why? There us nothing new being added to the conversation. It's the same people saying the same things in each of them.

jircris11

Mr.Hmm wrote: »

I am just being a filthy Templar healer in pvp and heal everyone even my own ass without a care about those people who are poking me on the ass.

TLDR:

I Ignore these NB and continue healing, it makes them feel bad and most of the times they leave me be while the rest of the times they get pissed off and start going nuts trying to kill me.

my motto as a ex paladin in eq2 is "good luck killing what can heal it's self"

Dracan_Fontom

But, people will swear it's all "L2P" and how NB's are the most "balanced" class out. Lol. Yeah. Ok. Uh huh. Just like how NB's cloak was balanced, stopping dots n' avoiding meteors. Mmmm'hmmm. Ok.

I have played every class, and by far my nb is my favorite. Thus I feel like I am bset capable for doing this. Everyone has access to purge, a support skill. While magicka based, it still does what cloak used to do. Every class can get at least one shield to cast in order to stop immediate damage. And meteors can easily be mitigated by simply blocking. In my opinion, yes nb have perhaps the most balanced amount of skills and playstyles, however that doesn't mean we are perfect as you probably know of the VD+ST+PD meta. We make good healers, great dps, and decent tanks. Most of the skills for these roles even coke out of our own skill lines. Other classes are forced to use specific weapons and use certain skills to play the same role as well.

Tholian1

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

NB's are at that stage. And the DB update will further push them up. It's ridiculous. People lied and lied nonstop about how DK's & Sorcerers were overpowered, but whenever NB's were brought up? They swore up n' down that NB's were weak. Now look. 2 DLC's based around NB's rouge play-style with a 3rd on the way (IC, TG, & DB)...

But, people will swear it's all "L2P" and how NB's are the most "balanced" class out. Lol. Yeah. Ok. Uh huh. Just like how NB's cloak was balanced, stopping dots n' avoiding meteors. Mmmm'hmmm. Ok.

You can't blame the class for being a natural fit with both TG and DB. All the classes can sneak and a NBs cloak only marginally enhances the TG content. It doesn't hide a player from the blue detection rings used by the NPCs. This is just more nonsensical NB hate.

Ch4mpTW

Dracan_Fontom wrote: »

But, people will swear it's all "L2P" and how NB's are the most "balanced" class out. Lol. Yeah. Ok. Uh huh. Just like how NB's cloak was balanced, stopping dots n' avoiding meteors. Mmmm'hmmm. Ok.

I have played every class, and by far my nb is my favorite. Thus I feel like I am bset capable for doing this. Everyone has access to purge, a support skill. While magicka based, it still does what cloak used to do. Every class can get at least one shield to cast in order to stop immediate damage. And meteors can easily be mitigated by simply blocking. In my opinion, yes nb have perhaps the most balanced amount of skills and playstyles, however that doesn't mean we are perfect as you probably know of the VD+ST+PD meta. We make good healers, great dps, and decent tanks. Most of the skills for these roles even coke out of our own skill lines. Other classes are forced to use specific weapons and use certain skills to play the same role as well.

But NB's are balance-based, right...? You do all that, but NB's aren't overpowered. Right?

Brrrofski

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Both stamina and magicka build will have a version of mage light in the DB update.

This means that Cloak will be very easy to counter just by popping Mage Light or Evil Hunter.

Without Cloak most NBs tend to die pretty fast.

Yep.

They don't have rally, vigor, shuffle, dodge roll or fear to help them survive. Definitely dead without cloak.

ElliottXO

EsoRecon wrote: »

I'm going to say it again... Buffing the other classes is the solution, not nerfing nightblade.

Are you seriously not realizing how stupid that statement is? *rolleyes*

Tryxus

ElliottXO wrote: »

EsoRecon wrote: »

I'm going to say it again... Buffing the other classes is the solution, not nerfing nightblade.

Are you seriously not realizing how stupid that statement is? *rolleyes*

He's actually right

Ch4mpTW

Brrrofski wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Both stamina and magicka build will have a version of mage light in the DB update.

This means that Cloak will be very easy to counter just by popping Mage Light or Evil Hunter.

Without Cloak most NBs tend to die pretty fast.

Yep.

They don't have rally, vigor, shuffle, dodge roll or fear to help them survive. Definitely dead without cloak.

Yep! Nightblades are terrible without cloak. Rally, vigor, shuffle, dodge roll, n' fear don't help them at all.

ElliottXO

Tryxus wrote: »

ElliottXO wrote: »

EsoRecon wrote: »

I'm going to say it again... Buffing the other classes is the solution, not nerfing nightblade.

Are you seriously not realizing how stupid that statement is? *rolleyes*

He's actually right

Yep. Let's keep buffing all classes because of some childish attitude towards the word 'nerf'. Sometimes I think this word leads to half of the nerd rage in mmo communities.

Tryxus

ElliottXO wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

ElliottXO wrote: »

EsoRecon wrote: »

I'm going to say it again... Buffing the other classes is the solution, not nerfing nightblade.

Are you seriously not realizing how stupid that statement is? *rolleyes*

He's actually right

Yep. Let's keep buffing all classes because of some childish attitude towards the word 'nerf'. Sometimes I think this word leads to half of the nerd rage in mmo communities.

Fine, let's just keep Stam Sorcs the way they are now. Or keep a DK's Dragon Blood and Obsidian Shield and a Temp's Toppling Charge... Let's have ZOS purely focus on nerfing a single class instead of at least trying (and hopefully not failing *cough*PTS*cough*2.4.3*cough) to work on the other classes

Rohamad_Ali

For those asking for Nerf , it has begun ...

Anhedonie

NBs aren't op. They are balanced. The problem is other classes aren't.

MaxwellC

My issue with NBs is when they fear me and it's lagging + cloak spam that gives them amazing heals.

Fear is the most OP Hard CC in the game I mean no only it puts you in the animation CC but it also applies a de-buff as well and slows you. When it's Lagging you might as well put the controller down you can keep mashing the button combo to break free as you watch the pathetic NB spam the Unsurprise-able Attack repeatedly.

The infinite cloak spam is extremely annoying especially that's what a large majority of the NB player base does (at-least ones I've encountered in PvP) you can slap a detect pot on but correct me if I'm wrong, that doesn't affect their 'stealth' heal boost since it crits.

Lynx7386

Infinite cloak spam is only applicable to magicka nightblades, who have not received any improvements with DB. Cloak does not heal the nightblade, so I dont know where you're getting that bit of misinformation from.

Nightblades have no access to a damage shield (especially stamina nightblades, now that bone shield will no longer be stamina based as per 2.4.3 PTS notes). Nightblades have no access to the major mending buff to improve healing. Nightblades have only three class healing abilities, one of which is an ultimate and the other two only work for magicka builds and require dealing damage in order to gain the heal.

Every class has it's ups and downs, positives and negatives, but all anyone ever wants to let themselves see when arguing for (or against) a nerf post like this one is the factors that improve their side of the argument. Open your eyes, get your heads out of your arses, and learn to play.

Ch4mpTW

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Infinite cloak spam is only applicable to magicka nightblades, who have not received any improvements with DB. Cloak does not heal the nightblade, so I dont know where you're getting that bit of misinformation from.

Nightblades have no access to a damage shield (especially stamina nightblades, now that bone shield will no longer be stamina based as per 2.4.3 PTS notes). Nightblades have no access to the major mending buff to improve healing. Nightblades have only three class healing abilities, one of which is an ultimate and the other two only work for magicka builds and require dealing damage in order to gain the heal.

Every class has it's ups and downs, positives and negatives, but all anyone ever wants to let themselves see when arguing for (or against) a nerf post like this one is the factors that improve their side of the argument. Open your eyes, get your heads out of your arses, and learn to play.

. . .So you're just going to disregard all the "op bs" NB's can and do in combat? And mention those setbacks like they cripple NB's...? Really brah?

Lynx7386

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Infinite cloak spam is only applicable to magicka nightblades, who have not received any improvements with DB. Cloak does not heal the nightblade, so I dont know where you're getting that bit of misinformation from.

Nightblades have no access to a damage shield (especially stamina nightblades, now that bone shield will no longer be stamina based as per 2.4.3 PTS notes). Nightblades have no access to the major mending buff to improve healing. Nightblades have only three class healing abilities, one of which is an ultimate and the other two only work for magicka builds and require dealing damage in order to gain the heal.

Every class has it's ups and downs, positives and negatives, but all anyone ever wants to let themselves see when arguing for (or against) a nerf post like this one is the factors that improve their side of the argument. Open your eyes, get your heads out of your arses, and learn to play.

. . .So you're just going to disregard all the "op bs" NB's can and do in combat? And mention those setbacks like they cripple NB's...? Really brah?

While you focus on all of the best-case-scenario uses of nightblade abilities and completely disregard the class' weaknesses? You're god-damn right.

MaxwellC

@Lynx7386 Seems you didn't read my post but just commented on it; that's ok I get that a lot.
Let me reiterate it for you, I said cloak puts you in stealth which allows your self heals to crit more often which results in higher healing. I didn't know if a detect pot affects that as I'm not a NB so yeah. So I'd like if you not put words in my mouth as I didn't say cloak heals a NB....

Aquanova

So Swallow Soul is stam now? If so, when did this happen? It's not in the patch notes I read

Shadowfx1970

I think the biggest problem isn't the classes it's people's misconceptions of how the classes work in ESO.

I made the same mistake back in beta I've always played a rogue class and my idea of a nightblade was a dual wielding stamina build so I chose a Dunmer for his dual wield bonus, turns out he was quite weak and of course I was quite wrong.

After a bit of research it turned out he was much better as a magika nb.

I'm sure a lot of people's pain comes from what they believe a class should be, then they get all pouty when they are getting beaten in PVP or whiney cause they can't solo a dolmen and instead of really looking into how to get the best out of their class they shout and rage nerf this one or give me better skills.

But what really gave it away was the OP comment on anyone wearing leather must be a NB not realising that anyone running a stamina build would want to get the bonuses from wearing medium.

GrumpyDuckling

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Why do people constantly try to stereotype the classes? Not all nightblades are stealthy assassins or paper tigers, just like not all sorc are bathrobe wizards and not all templars are overzealous plate wearing holy warriors.

You can build your character away from the general class tropes in this game, and many do so. You argument that "nightblades should be easy to kill if they don't surprise you" has absolutely no bearing in this game.

The thing is, look where it's gotten this game. Play as you want is pointless and stupid and gives people the notion that they should be able to play as they want AND be competitive. The classes SHOULD have defined roles and if they play outside of that then they should be weaker.

Sorcerer = Magicka DPS (Wizard, Spellcaster, Mage)
Nightblade = Stamina DPS (Rogue, Assassin, Specialist)
Templar = Tank/Healer (Paladin, Cleric, Support)
Dragonknight = Tank (Warrior, Bruiser, Buffs)

Of course that's my opinion. I still accept the game for what it is and play it, but that doesn't mean the system could be better.

If that were the case, this wouldn't be an elder scrolls game, it'd be another wow knockoff.

Eh, I'm on the fence about this one. Even though the name suggests otherwise, calling ESO an Elder Scrolls game seems like a stretch.

ZOS created 4 classes with 3 locked skill lines. Compared to the last Elder Scrolls game (Skyrim) this game is extremely restrictive. If classes were removed and we got to choose skill lines, then it would feel more like Elder Scrolls.

IamNoobee

every class is op ..

mtwiggz

When I see NBs all I think is either free AP or "oh *** he's gonna cloak away, why don't I have Piercing Mark slotted!?"

Definitely not a very feared class in my opinion. I fear StamDK a lot more. They're a more well rounded class. StamNB only has DPS, as their main defensive ability (cloak) has become nerfed yet again in the last DLC. StamDK on the other hand has some of the best healing passives in the game. Making it ridiculously difficult to widdle their health down, at least when fighting a competent opponent.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

@Lynx7386 Seems you didn't read my post but just commented on it; that's ok I get that a lot.
Let me reiterate it for you, I said cloak puts you in stealth which allows your self heals to crit more often which results in higher healing. I didn't know if a detect pot affects that as I'm not a NB so yeah. So I'd like if you not put words in my mouth as I didn't say cloak heals a NB....

That is only the Shadowy Disguise Morph of Shadow Cloak that increases your chance to crit' not the Dark Cloak morph.

Korah_Eaglecry

ElliottXO wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

ElliottXO wrote: »

EsoRecon wrote: »

I'm going to say it again... Buffing the other classes is the solution, not nerfing nightblade.

Are you seriously not realizing how stupid that statement is? *rolleyes*

He's actually right

Yep. Let's keep buffing all classes because of some childish attitude towards the word 'nerf'. Sometimes I think this word leads to half of the nerd rage in mmo communities.

When the community is the ones approaching NBs with the childish "nerf" claims every other month. Yeah, it gets old real fast. Especially when the community cant differentiate between Stamina and Magicka NBs, when they cant figure out why their PvE build is not effectual in PvP, when they seem to blame every new meta on the class when everyone is out using it, when they cant seem to look at the other classes and ask the needed questions of what could be going wrong here that needs to be changed to better compete in Cyrodiil?

Half of the people that create these threads cant even form a criticism that isnt based entirely on nonsense. Let alone bring a functional argument to the table for people to sit down and really mull over. But its the people that are tired of this being the status quo on the forums that are being childish. Its totally not the incoherent OP and those rallying behind his stunted argument that are nerd raging.

Publius_Scipio

I don't disagree that NB can do serious damage. But in real world play, high spec'd templar builds chew NBs up in PvP. Many times best bet for the NB is to run from the templar it cannot kill. In my opinion templars have been monsters for quite a while.

Also I have observed that what people call "the best NB" in pvp are either players that have a very very narrow play style of heavy cloak and ganking (which isn't a fight in my opinion). Or a NB that is high sustain and just makes you run around a lot until you burn out then attacks. Besides some form of ganking, whether it be to start a fight, or maybe even during a fight, toe to toe a NB can't deliver the damage and at such a high rate and volume like a templar can.