NB the going to the OP stage.

crowfl56

Every MMO I have played except one ( EQ ) the NB type of class has always attracted, what I would call, the less than fair player.

Now, ever since game launch I have seen the NB go from a very weak class to a extremely OP class.

Why does ZOS continue to add bonus's ( a major heal )to a class that shouldn't be super strong.

A NB should die easily, but should kick your butt if you aren't ready and fast.

But no, a NB, with the right gear and player running it, can almost, not die. << that is totally stupid.

In pvp you have constant (griefer's) and I don't mean ganker's and you all know what I mean.

The only people that will feel all butt hurt will be just those people.

To see exactly just how many people now play only a NB, go to any city with a large pop of player's and watch.

Almost every player you see are fixing or rather tieing on a set of gloves, (ie they are wearing leather) for the stam regen, thus again in most cases they are a NB.

So in any game when u see a large portion of the players switching to a certain class, THERE IS A PROBLEM. The problem being the overbuild by ZOS, for

whatever reason the NB.

Thus I say, GL in pvp to all not a NB, and gratz to the awesome dps the NB has for dungeons.

Plus to ZOS, quit listening to your Hard Core players so much and jump to nerf or add abilities to certain class's, because of them constantly whinneing.

Mr.Hmm

I am just being a filthy Templar healer in pvp and heal everyone even my own ass without a care about those people who are poking me on the ass.

TLDR:

I Ignore these NB and continue healing, it makes them feel bad and most of the times they leave me be while the rest of the times they get pissed off and start going nuts trying to kill me.

EsoRecon

I'm going to say it again... Buffing the other classes is the solution, not nerfing nightblade.

Tryxus

Finally, another one of dem NB threads

Lynx7386

Why do people constantly try to stereotype the classes? Not all nightblades are stealthy assassins or paper tigers, just like not all sorc are bathrobe wizards and not all templars are overzealous plate wearing holy warriors.

You can build your character away from the general class tropes in this game, and many do so. You argument that "nightblades should be easy to kill if they don't surprise you" has absolutely no bearing in this game.

Rohamad_Ali

Can we fix the verbage in this title ?

I play all classes and really well on all of them . Last night on a level 28 StamDK I solo killed two VR16 Nightblades . I don't think any nerfs are needed right now . I think more utilities to the other classes can help but nothing's gonna help players that don't know how to stack utilities in the first place . Let's keep the game smart shall we ?

SanTii.92

So I read Zos added a 'major heal' to nightbaldes and thought for a sec the 2.4.3 patch notes were up, then I finished the post... Sorry to tell you mate, but you got a lot to learn before commenting on class balance.

Valrien

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Why do people constantly try to stereotype the classes? Not all nightblades are stealthy assassins or paper tigers, just like not all sorc are bathrobe wizards and not all templars are overzealous plate wearing holy warriors.

You can build your character away from the general class tropes in this game, and many do so. You argument that "nightblades should be easy to kill if they don't surprise you" has absolutely no bearing in this game.

The thing is, look where it's gotten this game. Play as you want is pointless and stupid and gives people the notion that they should be able to play as they want AND be competitive. The classes SHOULD have defined roles and if they play outside of that then they should be weaker.

Sorcerer = Magicka DPS (Wizard, Spellcaster, Mage)
Nightblade = Stamina DPS (Rogue, Assassin, Specialist)
Templar = Tank/Healer (Paladin, Cleric, Support)
Dragonknight = Tank (Warrior, Bruiser, Buffs)

Of course that's my opinion. I still accept the game for what it is and play it, but that doesn't mean the system could be better.

FatKidHatchets

Put on Radiant mage light. Have a few healers in your group. Use block once in a while. Have two or three (not the healers) Use lingering flare.

There is a problem, its the players. If you want to run around in your light armor you are screwed when caught from the stealthy types.

Head, chest, Legs, shield reinforced heavy armor, shoulders, belt, gloves, boots impenetrable heavy armor.

Give up on your divine pajamas.

Literrally nightblades will no longer mess with your group. Most dps builds won't unless they are in a large zerg and then it comes to skill.

Brrrofski

FatKidHatchets wrote: »

Put on Radiant mage light. Have a few healers in your group. Use block once in a while. Have two or three (not the healers) Use lingering flare.

There is a problem, its the players. If you want to run around in your light armor you are screwed when caught from the stealthy types.

Head, chest, Legs, shield reinforced heavy armor, shoulders, belt, gloves, boots impenetrable heavy armor.

Give up on your divine pajamas.

Literrally nightblades will no longer mess with your group. Most dps builds won't unless they are in a large zerg and then it comes to skill.

Not all of us run in groups big enough to have one or two healers.

Also, what other class requires those measures to counter them? None.

Lynx7386

Valrien wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Why do people constantly try to stereotype the classes? Not all nightblades are stealthy assassins or paper tigers, just like not all sorc are bathrobe wizards and not all templars are overzealous plate wearing holy warriors.

You can build your character away from the general class tropes in this game, and many do so. You argument that "nightblades should be easy to kill if they don't surprise you" has absolutely no bearing in this game.

The thing is, look where it's gotten this game. Play as you want is pointless and stupid and gives people the notion that they should be able to play as they want AND be competitive. The classes SHOULD have defined roles and if they play outside of that then they should be weaker.

Sorcerer = Magicka DPS (Wizard, Spellcaster, Mage)
Nightblade = Stamina DPS (Rogue, Assassin, Specialist)
Templar = Tank/Healer (Paladin, Cleric, Support)
Dragonknight = Tank (Warrior, Bruiser, Buffs)

Of course that's my opinion. I still accept the game for what it is and play it, but that doesn't mean the system could be better.

If that were the case, this wouldn't be an elder scrolls game, it'd be another wow knockoff.

AlnilamE

I want to know what this major heal is that Nightblades are getting?

idk

I've played a few MMOs and without a doubt true balance is a pipe dream.

At that, those that learn to play their class will do well. Those that do not figure out how to play their class and counter others will get pawned. It's the nature of PvP.

FatKidHatchets

Those are all things suggested for the average player to make things easier on them due to the number of nightblades afoot atm. Also as I said most of what I previously suggested works against all dpps. Aswell If you aren't running in a group you aren't really tyna do much in cyrodil. Most of you run in small groups of 3 and follow the zzerg. Which means you are in an unorganized large group.

If your group is small and you are having small battles then you don't need multiple healers, but they better be a good one.

If you are fighting 1v1 magelight, lingering flare or aoes all will ieep them out of stealth.


You ask what other class needs all that to beat them, i ask which other class do you have that many options? Where's the field of no healing button? Wheres the no shield light button? The truth is, all of the classes take alot to beat them if you fight anyone who is good at their class. I have seen players make every class appear untouchable to the average player.

You just complain about nightblades most because there are so many. And there are so many because of band wagon jumpers.

You want to fight the world with your 3 man group, experience the difficulties of getting wrecked.

Tryxus

Valrien wrote: »

The classes SHOULD have defined roles and if they play outside of that then they should be weaker.

Completely agree with you on this: a class should be there to give us a job, a defined task, to give to the player.

Currently, ZOS is throwing this out the window by making all classes capable of doing everything: tanking, healing and DPS. Remember how Breath of Life got nerfed and both Sorcs and DKs got more healing capabilities? And now there's talk of reducing the damage of Surprise Attack/Concealed Weapon, which makes me believe ZOS is trying to give every class stealth capabilities.

This is bad design choice IMO.

Valrien wrote: »

Nightblade = Stamina DPS (Rogue, Assassin, Specialist)

Well technically, Nightblades are actually mages who use their magic for covert missions and stealth. They're more wizards than assassins, though they do the same job.

Korah_Eaglecry

Sometimes I wonder if people like the OP, who have no clue what theyre talking about, would just keep quiet rather then pretend as if theyre making some great revelation or bringing insight to the masses. That the Devs would get around to buffing and fixing playstyles that actually needed the attention. Like StamSorcs.

idk

Valrien wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Why do people constantly try to stereotype the classes? Not all nightblades are stealthy assassins or paper tigers, just like not all sorc are bathrobe wizards and not all templars are overzealous plate wearing holy warriors.

You can build your character away from the general class tropes in this game, and many do so. You argument that "nightblades should be easy to kill if they don't surprise you" has absolutely no bearing in this game.

The thing is, look where it's gotten this game. Play as you want is pointless and stupid and gives people the notion that they should be able to play as they want AND be competitive. The classes SHOULD have defined roles and if they play outside of that then they should be weaker.

Sorcerer = Magicka DPS (Wizard, Spellcaster, Mage)
Nightblade = Stamina DPS (Rogue, Assassin, Specialist)
Templar = Tank/Healer (Paladin, Cleric, Support)
Dragonknight = Tank (Warrior, Bruiser, Buffs)

Of course that's my opinion. I still accept the game for what it is and play it, but that doesn't mean the system could be better.

Please don't advocate the stale old schools ways of WoW and SWToR.

And please understand class's in the context of TES.

sirrmattus

Wow. You have no idea what you speak of.

Septimus_Magna

Both stamina and magicka build will have a version of mage light in the DB update.

This means that Cloak will be very easy to counter just by popping Mage Light or Evil Hunter.

Without Cloak most NBs tend to die pretty fast.

Lynx7386

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Both stamina and magicka build will have a version of mage light in the DB update.

This means that Cloak will be very easy to counter just by popping Mage Light or Evil Hunter.

Without Cloak most NBs tend to die pretty fast.

Except, of course, those of us who don't rely on stealth ganking to get our kills.

Ser Lobo

Valrien wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Why do people constantly try to stereotype the classes? Not all nightblades are stealthy assassins or paper tigers, just like not all sorc are bathrobe wizards and not all templars are overzealous plate wearing holy warriors.

You can build your character away from the general class tropes in this game, and many do so. You argument that "nightblades should be easy to kill if they don't surprise you" has absolutely no bearing in this game.

The thing is, look where it's gotten this game. Play as you want is pointless and stupid and gives people the notion that they should be able to play as they want AND be competitive. The classes SHOULD have defined roles and if they play outside of that then they should be weaker.

Sorcerer = Magicka DPS (Wizard, Spellcaster, Mage)
Nightblade = Stamina DPS (Rogue, Assassin, Specialist)
Templar = Tank/Healer (Paladin, Cleric, Support)
Dragonknight = Tank (Warrior, Bruiser, Buffs)

Of course that's my opinion. I still accept the game for what it is and play it, but that doesn't mean the system could be better.

Thing is, there shouldn't be any classes at ALL. Elder Scrolls grew into something different than the mainstream DnD class system. Our classes here are for flavor and background, NOT definition.

I realize that the very simplified class system is a common and easy to understand process that many game designers have leaned on, like a crutch, and many players are comfortable with. As you can tell by my verbage, I don't like it. I got sick and tired of game designers 'artificially' choosing how I play and what I do. Most developers work so hard to control player actions for the sake of 'balance', that they limit what weapons and armor you can use too.

Of course, my favorite MMO's have been games like EvE Online and Star Wars Galaxies (pre-NGE). And now ESO.

If it were up to me, they would make all class abilities into magick fields of study, and get rid of this confusing and broken pretend class system that ZOS decided to go with.

Tholian1

What's this major heal we evil NBs are receiving?

Rex-Umbra

OP you make no sense to you any one wearing medium is a nb?

laksikus

Tholian1 wrote: »

What's this major heal we evil NBs are receiving?

swallow soul ofc.
stam nb with swallow just rock everthing. meadium seducer with wb and funnel :P

Tholian1

laksikus wrote: »

Tholian1 wrote: »

What's this major heal we evil NBs are receiving?

swallow soul ofc.
stam nb with swallow just rock everthing. meadium seducer with wb and funnel :P

I apparently leveled that skill but never kept skill points in it. Interesting.

Voxicity

ITT: OP died by a nightblade in PvP and doesn't know how to counter them effectively

Septimus_Magna

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Both stamina and magicka build will have a version of mage light in the DB update.

This means that Cloak will be very easy to counter just by popping Mage Light or Evil Hunter.

Without Cloak most NBs tend to die pretty fast.

Except, of course, those of us who don't rely on stealth ganking to get our kills.

Good players will be hard to kill no matter what class they play.

Other classes have better means to mitigate dmg than a NB without Cloak imo.

FortheloveofKrist

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Sometimes I wonder if people like the OP, who have no clue what theyre talking about, would just keep quiet rather then pretend as if theyre making some great revelation or bringing insight to the masses. That the Devs would get around to buffing and fixing playstyles that actually needed the attention. Like StamSorcs.

So everyone who makes posts you deem to be clueless should just shut up, presumably to make room for your oh-so-insightful comments? Got it.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

This post doesnt even make sense. I think he is talking about a stamina nighblade because he mentioned something about gettting mad at person for wearing leather gloves (medium armor). He also mentioned something about a self heal, which as a stam NB only comes from Rally (2H), or Vigor (alliance skill). Nothing new here. He also mentioned something about someone's butt hurting, but that sounds like a personal problem that is out of my wheelhouse to try and fix.

Newflash: NBs arent even the most OP stam class (hello StamDK, especially in 2 weeks). Also, any stamina user is going to wear medium gloves. As for saying NBs are less than fair players just makes no sense. Most serious ESO players play more than one class. Finally as to your statement that "a NB, with the right gear and player running it, can almost, not die", well, this is true of any class if you know how to play. As classes go, NBs are one of the squishier ones.

AOECAPS

FatKidHatchets wrote: »

Put on Radiant mage light. Have a few healers in your group. Use block once in a while. Have two or three (not the healers) Use lingering flare.

There is a problem, its the players. If you want to run around in your light armor you are screwed when caught from the stealthy types.

Head, chest, Legs, shield reinforced heavy armor, shoulders, belt, gloves, boots impenetrable heavy armor.

Give up on your divine pajamas.

Literrally nightblades will no longer mess with your group. Most dps builds won't unless they are in a large zerg and then it comes to skill.

Lol coming from the guy that Zergs like his life depends on it

msdevious29

Oh yeah, Zerg so hard, lately there are only 3 or 4 of us. lol
Our "Zerg" is 2 nightblades and 2 Templars the last time we went to scourge.