Give Lower Level People a Break - Rezzes, Rezzes, Rezzes

WuffyCerulei

I tend to notice this a lot in Trueflame, where the v16s rarely rez someone who isn't v16 or even a vet. I try to rez them when I can. It's not fun to have people just run past ya, esp. when it's a huge group and no one rezzes you. You don't know if that lowbie is actually good. If they aren't, too bad. People learn from their mistakes in PvP.
I guess the only acceptable time it's okay to not rez someone is if you tell them not to do something, but they do it constantly and die. A lot.
Also try giving tips to new players in PvP. Sets, skills, what sieges to use and when, etc. This should be especially done in EP, where a lot of the Skyrim lovers (most who haven't done mmos) go.
Just give em a break. People gotta help each other in PvP, especially experienced players teaching newbies what to do.

Sunburnt_Penguin

Isn't Trueflame a CP campaign anyway?

If so the chances are they already have a decent amount of CPs, set items and PvP experience, meaning that with the battle-levelling: their character sheet may well be better than a lot of vets.

If not, then yeah everyone should rez as much as possible. Soul Gems come so easily that you're disadvantaging yourself by not rezzing those who've died (providing they're not acting like an idiot!).

kevlarto_ESO

I rez eveyone except known faction traitors i look more at names than levels

BFT88

It's because EP's zerg is so strong no one sees the dead bodies on the ground.

Meilinka

I res everyone that I can, however I won't res right away in certain situations. I try to carry at least 2 full stacks of gems on me.

God_flakes

BFT88 wrote: »

It's because EP's zerg is so strong no one sees the dead bodies on the ground.

Rezzing should be disabled for EP, especially when they have a 3 or 4 to 1 advantage round the clock.

WuffyCerulei

Lol I can attest to EP's large numbers, but most of them are a bit disorganized. This happens in TF with EP all the time: we're almost always poplocked, but we only own Drakelowe, the 3 main home keeps, and Chalman or BRK. DC there knows how to throw EP off, and I respect that. Only if AD were to return and give us more of a fight...

KenaPKK

Ressing is probably the most impactful action you can make during a siege. Getting allies up often swings fights -- just look at forward camps.

That said, ressing is a choice m8. If you don't like people passing over you, then don't die. Or just walk back. Sorry, but that's the way it is. Perhaps ZOS should implement a greater reward for ressing.

RinaldoGandolphi

I Rez everyone I see in my faction regardless of level, even rezed a guy twice in 6 secs last night. Need to keep people up, gems are pocket change. Rezing can swing battles, I do my best to do my part.

tonemd

I will rez regardless of level when:

1. I don't have 10 EP's derping at me with wrecking blows
2. Open field and no camp
3. Keep is burst and no camp
4. I haven't just rezzed you 30 seconds ago when you stood up, stayed standing up, and died again

If you die at a resource and the keep is unburst, AND we are fighting, get your ass up and run your ass back.

timidobserver

I'm careful with ressing because I can't res someone else until the previos person takes the ress. For this reason my group gets priority.

heystreethawk

I think of it a little like this: if you're an organized group, a guild group or whatever and you like to do the mappy things, pugs and misc. ungrouped alliance members are a bit like your constituents.

There are places you don't want them to follow you, of course, just because you don't want the whole faction to swarm a spot and turn it into either a massacre or an evenly matched lagstorm atrocity; eventually, though, you'll need their help on defense or dethrone or scrollin' or recapturing a keep or crowning somebody, and you want to make sure they know you share common goals, and that you're looking out for them.

There is something of a suspicion, and I dunno if it's more prevalent in my alliance than others, but I think a lot of pugs worry that guild groups are only in it for themselves. In the timeframes that Fantasia plays together, we're often the only guild group running 12-20 deep on Trueflame AD side, so we definitely rely on communication and support from the freelance population, and we'll call to grab rezzes on friendlies when we have a clear shot at them. Sometimes, alas, we do have to keep moving.

(In addition to the other pragmatic concerns voiced in this thread, there's definitely a human decency angle: you wouldn't step over an unconscious pedestrian on your way to grab a haircut, I don't think)

Takes-No-Prisoner

As a v16 on PS4 NA, I will stop in the middle of a big fight to res a low leveled player. AP be damned, if there is someone dead I go to them first. Last night while I tried to res someone in a huge fight, there was a magNB that marked me and was about to pounce. My alliance suddenly swarmed in around me and the dead guy and while I held block over his dead body someone res'ed him. It's important to show the low levels and noobies we care.

Zheg

@timidobserver reflected my take on the topic pretty accurately. Rezzing mechanics prevent you from rezzing someone else until that first person has accepted your rez, and there are any number of players that afk after dying or crashed and haven't been removed from the server yet. If I'm solo, I will more than likely go for the rez so long as I'm not going to suicide in the attempt. If i'm in a group, unless you're a player I know well or are a friend, I will not risk you holding my rez because you decided to go get a beer while one of my best healers is dead and can't be rezzed now. Ask ZOS to remove that mechanic and you'll see more rezzes come from groups. We specifically tell our group not to rez people outside of our group unless the raid lead makes a call to the contrary, because of that specific mechanic.

I once had an old guildie (not in group or guild at the time) get mouthy because during a very difficult and outnumbered fight, our group ran over her dead body and didn't rez her. The fact that we had groupmates that were dead and left dead because it would have resulted in a wipe to try and get them up, and the fact that it would have been a similar situation to get her up didn't seem to be enough logic for her. She was dead, she saw someone near her, got cranky that she wasn't rezzed. People need to realize that sometimes you died in a bad spot and you just need to deal with it - run back or wait for a camp. I'm not running under 6 oils because you potatoed up to the front door, unless you're @Ghost-Shot , in which case the tbag is worth it, I've got purify and can handle the oil bath.

Joy_Division

I rez anyone I see.

What ZoS could - and should - do to prevent the frustration Zheg mentioned regarding the idle player preventing you from making another rez is simply time out the idle player if the rezzer revives another player, who then has the opportunity to accept the rez.

mtwiggz

Depends on how I see someone die. If they just stood there spamming nonsense skills and showed no fight what so ever I'm not wasting a gem on them.

If they tried to fight and just got out played, I will give them a second chance.

KisoValley

On PC EU you never get the chance to res as a AD/DC player because no matter where you are there are 50 EP chasing you

God_flakes

HarmitGill wrote: »

On PC EU you never get the chance to res as a AD/DC player because no matter where you are there are 50 EP chasing you

Clearly the issue with ep being obscenely overpopulated isn't just a NA problem. Such a shame that a year and half in and zos still can't come up with a solution to a problem they created.

KisoValley

God_flakes wrote: »

HarmitGill wrote: »

On PC EU you never get the chance to res as a AD/DC player because no matter where you are there are 50 EP chasing you

Clearly the issue with ep being obscenely overpopulated isn't just a NA problem. Such a shame that a year and half in and zos still can't come up with a solution to a problem they created.

Only started playing 7 months ago, what problem did Zos create and how? @God_flakes

God_flakes

Understand it is just my opinion but I believe zos really stacked the deck against DC with the race line up. They made both EP and AD more appealing and should have known EP would be more popular on the heels of Skyrim. With this in mind they have had a year and a half to try to mitigate the population imbalances and they really have done nothing, so we are left with lopsided pvp in many campaigns and have been for a long time. The mass exodus from Thornblade was a direct result-and EP sat on that campaign for months with a poplock against one bar of DC and AD and did God only knows what.

PhatGrimReaper

God_flakes wrote: »

Understand it is just my opinion but I believe zos really stacked the deck against DC with the race line up. They made both EP and AD more appealing and should have known EP would be more popular on the heels of Skyrim. With this in mind they have had a year and a half to try to mitigate the population imbalances and they really have done nothing, so we are left with lopsided pvp in many campaigns and have been for a long time. The mass exodus from Thornblade was a direct result-and EP sat on that campaign for months with a poplock against one bar of DC and AD and did God only knows what.

Does every thread need to have a poor DC comment?

This game moves in cycles.... One faction is always more dominant than the others. It wasn't so long ago that DC had a huge numbers advantage over everyone on the most populated server, now it's EP. S*** happens, reroll or deal with it.


On topic, if I'm solo, I'll res anybody as long as it isn't going to agro the zerg onto me. If I'm running a group, I will always try to res, but as @Zheg stated above, group first, then pugs. This isn't because pugs aren't important, it's because the group has a better chance of ressing the pugs and saving the day if the whole group is up and functional.

God_flakes

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Understand it is just my opinion but I believe zos really stacked the deck against DC with the race line up. They made both EP and AD more appealing and should have known EP would be more popular on the heels of Skyrim. With this in mind they have had a year and a half to try to mitigate the population imbalances and they really have done nothing, so we are left with lopsided pvp in many campaigns and have been for a long time. The mass exodus from Thornblade was a direct result-and EP sat on that campaign for months with a poplock against one bar of DC and AD and did God only knows what.

Does every thread need to have a poor DC comment?

This game moves in cycles.... One faction is always more dominant than the others. It wasn't so long ago that DC had a huge numbers advantage over everyone on the most populated server, now it's EP. S*** happens, reroll or deal with it.


On topic, if I'm solo, I'll res anybody as long as it isn't going to agro the zerg onto me. If I'm running a group, I will always try to res, but as @Zheg stated above, group first, then pugs. This isn't because pugs aren't important, it's because the group has a better chance of ressing the pugs and saving the day if the whole group is up and functional.

Aren't you AD? Tell me, didn't your comrades leave TF to go buff Haderus so they could avoid the EP hoard on TF....

DC has been the lowest pop since day one. I've played this game since beta-there has been no "cycle". DC had a good run for a brief period when an EP guild rerolled to help balance the population. But after the last patch many left and many more will leave in the coming months.