Why U open Thread If you dont listen

TheHsN

ZOS u open Official Thread About "SORC" i red all comments More than %75 says your changes are not fair and not good to SORC...from people comments

And than comes a patch and u keep nerfing and giving nothing to sorc and taking away good things. already there arent any things for magicka in WHOLE DLC...

if you dont listen why upen thread ...TO MAKE OPPOSITE!!!???

TNX anyway...

Mettaricana

Spell check is your friend.

Burning_Talons

Sorcs needed a nerf now they will actually require talent rather than infinite shields which are getting buffed. Someone is upset they have to use brain cells to plauly their class.

KenaPKK

The shield nerf isn't enough, honestly.

Good sorcs will be fine. Garbage sorcs will start playing stam nightblade.

Sunburnt_Penguin

TheHsN wrote: »

ZOS u open Official Thread About "SORC" i red all comments More than %75 says your changes are not fair and not good to SORC...from people comments

And than comes a patch and u keep nerfing and giving nothing to sorc and taking away good things. already there arent any things for magicka in WHOLE DLC...

if you dont listen why upen thread ...TO MAKE OPPOSITE!!!???

TNX anyway...

Why didn't you put this in the Sorc feedback thread?

Lucky28

KenaPKK wrote: »

The shield nerf isn't enough, honestly.

Good sorcs will be fine. Garbage sorcs will start playing stam nightblade.

so people claim. but honestly the class has been trashed there is no reason to play a sorc that is the reason people will re-roll not because they're garbage sorcs but because the class does not excel at anything anymore and all that set it apart from other classes is gone.

it has nothing to do with good or bad sorcs, it's just about the reality of the situation. but of course people don't look at these changes objectively.

Turelus

So if 100% of the Nightblade thread population say that Dark Cloak should go back to how it was with 1000% damage on the next attack they should do that right? Because 100% of Nightblades think it's a good idea.

Saying that in less of jerk way, just because everyone thinks something is a good idea/bad idea doesn't mean it's what ZOS want for their game. Also listening doesn't mean action.

Lucky28

Turelus wrote: »

So if 100% of the Nightblade thread population say that Dark Cloak should go back to how it was with 1000% damage on the next attack they should do that right? Because 100% of Nightblades think it's a good idea.

Saying that in less of jerk way, just because everyone thinks something is a good idea/bad idea doesn't mean it's what ZOS want for their game. Also listening doesn't mean action.

people expect them to listen when they are making decisions that will ruin a class. this PTS made me lose faith in this games ability to become "good again" they don't think these changes through before they implement them as a result they spend the next couple months trying to fix what they break. it's been a repeating cycle since 1.6 and it's getting old.

Rylana

KenaPKK wrote: »

The shield nerf isn't enough, honestly.

Good sorcs will be fine. Garbage sorcs will start playing stam nightblade.

And I will eat those stamblades alive. omnomnom

The Uninvited

Y U cre8 thread when U no day no listen?

Rylana

Lucky28 wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

The shield nerf isn't enough, honestly.

Good sorcs will be fine. Garbage sorcs will start playing stam nightblade.

so people claim. but honestly the class has been trashed there is no reason to play a sorc that is the reason people will re-roll not because they're garbage sorcs but because the class does not excel at anything anymore and all that set it apart from other classes is gone.

it has nothing to do with good or bad sorcs, it's just about the reality of the situation. but of course people don't look at these changes objectively.

Objectively.

Sorc benefit 1 - most mobile instant cast for lowest cost class. Between boundless storm and streak, good luck keeping up with one, even as a stam bowtard nightblade with a speed potion (and a stam sorc is even faster with the same gear, throwing a streak in there now and then). You might be a little faster at first while that potion is active, but endurance? haha, no chance in hell.

Sorc benefit 2 - Negate. This needs no further discussion, if you dont know why negate is the best ultimate in the game for PvP, especially after DB drops, I have nothing further to say to you.

Sorc benefit 3 - the highest single target DPS potential in the game, via overload. Non overload DPS is mediocre but a good rotation will put you into 20k territory if you try.

Sorc benefit 4 - Lowest ultimate costs in the game, out of the box. Class ults on par base cost, but the power stone passive... oh my lord people underestimate this so much. So, so much. And it stacks with other ult redux gear if you so choose, in fact it used to be meta to do this. 98 cost bats? yesplx.

Sorc benefit 5 - Cheap, ranged, aoe splash execute, no channel, no melee required. Hit that mages wrath baby.

Sorc benefit 6 - The ability via class passive (figure out which one) to stack the most spell damage of any class, without sacrificing anything in the process.

Sorc benefit 7 - Rune Cage, Encase, did I mention streak, frag knockdown, and other delicious CC options no other class has all of.

Now, ive given you seven to retort to, have fun. Tell me again how sorcs are bad, mmkay.

Turelus

Did Rylana just mic drop?

KenaPKK

Lucky28 wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

The shield nerf isn't enough, honestly.

Good sorcs will be fine. Garbage sorcs will start playing stam nightblade.

so people claim. but honestly the class has been trashed there is no reason to play a sorc that is the reason people will re-roll not because they're garbage sorcs but because the class does not excel at anything anymore and all that set it apart from other classes is gone.

it has nothing to do with good or bad sorcs, it's just about the reality of the situation. but of course people don't look at these changes objectively.

Uh, sorcs' damage and mobility haven't changed, and they got a huge buff to Harness Magicka.

Literally the only change is having to time shields more intelligently. It's 100% an L2p issue if you have problems with sorc after this next patch.

Valrien

Rylana wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

The shield nerf isn't enough, honestly.

Good sorcs will be fine. Garbage sorcs will start playing stam nightblade.

so people claim. but honestly the class has been trashed there is no reason to play a sorc that is the reason people will re-roll not because they're garbage sorcs but because the class does not excel at anything anymore and all that set it apart from other classes is gone.

it has nothing to do with good or bad sorcs, it's just about the reality of the situation. but of course people don't look at these changes objectively.

Objectively.

Sorc benefit 1 - most mobile instant cast for lowest cost class. Between boundless storm and streak, good luck keeping up with one, even as a stam bowtard nightblade with a speed potion (and a stam sorc is even faster with the same gear, throwing a streak in there now and then). You might be a little faster at first while that potion is active, but endurance? haha, no chance in hell.

Sorc benefit 2 - Negate. This needs no further discussion, if you dont know why negate is the best ultimate in the game for PvP, especially after DB drops, I have nothing further to say to you.

Sorc benefit 3 - the highest single target DPS potential in the game, via overload. Non overload DPS is mediocre but a good rotation will put you into 20k territory if you try.

Sorc benefit 4 - Lowest ultimate costs in the game, out of the box. Class ults on par base cost, but the power stone passive... oh my lord people underestimate this so much. So, so much. And it stacks with other ult redux gear if you so choose, in fact it used to be meta to do this. 98 cost bats? yesplx.

Sorc benefit 5 - Cheap, ranged, aoe splash execute, no channel, no melee required. Hit that mages wrath baby.

Sorc benefit 6 - The ability via class passive (figure out which one) to stack the most spell damage of any class, without sacrificing anything in the process.

Sorc benefit 7 - Rune Cage, Encase, did I mention streak, frag knockdown, and other delicious CC options no other class has all of.

Now, ive given you seven to retort to, have fun. Tell me again how sorcs are bad, mmkay.

Fine.
1. Mobility is worthless when gap closers are so readily available.
2. Negates pretty okay now since you can't break free from it. A small snare would be nice.
3. Ever tried Overload in vMoL? It's worthless in those long fights. Absolutely worthless. Probably the only reason my guild doesn't ask me to reroll is because one good Sorc will still give them 3% spell crit.
4. Ultimates are nice. Can't argue with that but it's hardly something to use to say a class is "fine".
5. Low damage and has a nearly one second delay between cast and strike, making it easily dodgable. Not to mention it has the smallest execute range at 19%
6. We sacrifice using useful abilities. On a DPS parse have you ever seen someone use more than 3 or MAYBE 4 Sorc abilities?
7. What about dragon knight? Fossilize and Talons are the same as Rune Cage and Encase just better). Hell, they even have a knockdown! (Stonefist).

Love to see the response you come up with to this.

Valrien

KenaPKK wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

The shield nerf isn't enough, honestly.

Good sorcs will be fine. Garbage sorcs will start playing stam nightblade.

so people claim. but honestly the class has been trashed there is no reason to play a sorc that is the reason people will re-roll not because they're garbage sorcs but because the class does not excel at anything anymore and all that set it apart from other classes is gone.

it has nothing to do with good or bad sorcs, it's just about the reality of the situation. but of course people don't look at these changes objectively.

Uh, sorcs' damage and mobility haven't changed, and they got a huge buff to Harness Magicka.

Literally the only change is having to time shields more intelligently. It's 100% an L2p issue if you have problems with sorc after this next patch.

@KenaPKK Try reading yesterday's Patch Notes. Damage and mobility are still the same, but the damage is trash in PvE...pretty okay in PvP I suppose.

EsoRecon

NOT LISTENING!!!!!

Lucky28

Rylana wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

The shield nerf isn't enough, honestly.

Good sorcs will be fine. Garbage sorcs will start playing stam nightblade.

so people claim. but honestly the class has been trashed there is no reason to play a sorc that is the reason people will re-roll not because they're garbage sorcs but because the class does not excel at anything anymore and all that set it apart from other classes is gone.

it has nothing to do with good or bad sorcs, it's just about the reality of the situation. but of course people don't look at these changes objectively.

Objectively.

Sorc benefit 1 - most mobile instant cast for lowest cost class. Between boundless storm and streak, good luck keeping up with one, even as a stam bowtard nightblade with a speed potion (and a stam sorc is even faster with the same gear, throwing a streak in there now and then). You might be a little faster at first while that potion is active, but endurance? haha, no chance in hell.

Sorc benefit 2 - Negate. This needs no further discussion, if you dont know why negate is the best ultimate in the game for PvP, especially after DB drops, I have nothing further to say to you.

Sorc benefit 3 - the highest single target DPS potential in the game, via overload. Non overload DPS is mediocre but a good rotation will put you into 20k territory if you try.

Sorc benefit 4 - Lowest ultimate costs in the game, out of the box. Class ults on par base cost, but the power stone passive... oh my lord people underestimate this so much. So, so much. And it stacks with other ult redux gear if you so choose, in fact it used to be meta to do this. 98 cost bats? yesplx.

Sorc benefit 5 - Cheap, ranged, aoe splash execute, no channel, no melee required. Hit that mages wrath baby.

Sorc benefit 6 - The ability via class passive (figure out which one) to stack the most spell damage of any class, without sacrificing anything in the process.

Sorc benefit 7 - Rune Cage, Encase, did I mention streak, frag knockdown, and other delicious CC options no other class has all of.

Now, ive given you seven to retort to, have fun. Tell me again how sorcs are bad, mmkay.

i can retort to everything you've said with one point. Magblades can do all that or variant of but better than a sorc can.

i have tested and confirmed this on PTS and that i why i am not happy with these changes.

Roymachine

Rylana wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

The shield nerf isn't enough, honestly.

Good sorcs will be fine. Garbage sorcs will start playing stam nightblade.

so people claim. but honestly the class has been trashed there is no reason to play a sorc that is the reason people will re-roll not because they're garbage sorcs but because the class does not excel at anything anymore and all that set it apart from other classes is gone.

it has nothing to do with good or bad sorcs, it's just about the reality of the situation. but of course people don't look at these changes objectively.

Objectively.

Sorc benefit 1 - most mobile instant cast for lowest cost class. Between boundless storm and streak, good luck keeping up with one, even as a stam bowtard nightblade with a speed potion (and a stam sorc is even faster with the same gear, throwing a streak in there now and then). You might be a little faster at first while that potion is active, but endurance? haha, no chance in hell.

Sorc benefit 2 - Negate. This needs no further discussion, if you dont know why negate is the best ultimate in the game for PvP, especially after DB drops, I have nothing further to say to you.

Sorc benefit 3 - the highest single target DPS potential in the game, via overload. Non overload DPS is mediocre but a good rotation will put you into 20k territory if you try.

Sorc benefit 4 - Lowest ultimate costs in the game, out of the box. Class ults on par base cost, but the power stone passive... oh my lord people underestimate this so much. So, so much. And it stacks with other ult redux gear if you so choose, in fact it used to be meta to do this. 98 cost bats? yesplx.

Sorc benefit 5 - Cheap, ranged, aoe splash execute, no channel, no melee required. Hit that mages wrath baby.

Sorc benefit 6 - The ability via class passive (figure out which one) to stack the most spell damage of any class, without sacrificing anything in the process.

Sorc benefit 7 - Rune Cage, Encase, did I mention streak, frag knockdown, and other delicious CC options no other class has all of.

Now, ive given you seven to retort to, have fun. Tell me again how sorcs are bad, mmkay.

You forgot to mention Daedric Minefield. Love that spell.

Rylana

Valrien wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

The shield nerf isn't enough, honestly.

Good sorcs will be fine. Garbage sorcs will start playing stam nightblade.

so people claim. but honestly the class has been trashed there is no reason to play a sorc that is the reason people will re-roll not because they're garbage sorcs but because the class does not excel at anything anymore and all that set it apart from other classes is gone.

it has nothing to do with good or bad sorcs, it's just about the reality of the situation. but of course people don't look at these changes objectively.

Objectively.

Sorc benefit 1 - most mobile instant cast for lowest cost class. Between boundless storm and streak, good luck keeping up with one, even as a stam bowtard nightblade with a speed potion (and a stam sorc is even faster with the same gear, throwing a streak in there now and then). You might be a little faster at first while that potion is active, but endurance? haha, no chance in hell.

Sorc benefit 2 - Negate. This needs no further discussion, if you dont know why negate is the best ultimate in the game for PvP, especially after DB drops, I have nothing further to say to you.

Sorc benefit 3 - the highest single target DPS potential in the game, via overload. Non overload DPS is mediocre but a good rotation will put you into 20k territory if you try.

Sorc benefit 4 - Lowest ultimate costs in the game, out of the box. Class ults on par base cost, but the power stone passive... oh my lord people underestimate this so much. So, so much. And it stacks with other ult redux gear if you so choose, in fact it used to be meta to do this. 98 cost bats? yesplx.

Sorc benefit 5 - Cheap, ranged, aoe splash execute, no channel, no melee required. Hit that mages wrath baby.

Sorc benefit 6 - The ability via class passive (figure out which one) to stack the most spell damage of any class, without sacrificing anything in the process.

Sorc benefit 7 - Rune Cage, Encase, did I mention streak, frag knockdown, and other delicious CC options no other class has all of.

Now, ive given you seven to retort to, have fun. Tell me again how sorcs are bad, mmkay.

Fine.
1. Mobility is worthless when gap closers are so readily available.
2. Negates pretty okay now since you can't break free from it. A small snare would be nice.
3. Ever tried Overload in vMoL? It's worthless in those long fights. Absolutely worthless. Probably the only reason my guild doesn't ask me to reroll is because one good Sorc will still give them 3% spell crit.
4. Ultimates are nice. Can't argue with that but it's hardly something to use to say a class is "fine".
5. Low damage and has a nearly one second delay between cast and strike, making it easily dodgable. Not to mention it has the smallest execute range at 19%
6. We sacrifice using useful abilities. On a DPS parse have you ever seen someone use more than 3 or MAYBE 4 Sorc abilities?
7. What about dragon knight? Fossilize and Talons are the same as Rune Cage and Encase just better). Hell, they even have a knockdown! (Stonefist).

Love to see the response you come up with to this.

1. Try gap closing a Sorc thats juking and jiving running circles around you, Its not all about running away or creating distance, its also about positioning, LOS, creative use of elevated terrain (seriously, ever seen how fast a sorc can get to unaccessible places to other players? yeh, good luck doing that with a stamplar). If anything, gap closers are the last thing you should be worrying about with a good mobile sorc. Streak, Mines, etc, makes that battlefield all the sorcs to own and any other class to figure out how to conquer, if they can.

2. Nothing to respond to, we seem in agreement. Silence + damage or Silence + heal = win win. Its not movable but it doesnt need to be, plenty of snares can be applied by other skills if need be.

3. Why does everyone bring up trials or the newest content thing as the only comeback to something about PvE? Even still, a sorc class rotation of curse, frag, liquid, and possibly boundless if you wanna get in close will net you 20k if done right, add in some destro action and weaving and it gets better, but I digress. Sorc DPS is fine, and the edge cases people always try to employ are NOT the norm, nor the benchmark to achieve. Some edge case templar got a 30k run? Yay for him, no reason to say sorcs are crap cause of one guy. Nor is it any reason to reroll. And remember, magicka sorc is still the go-to class for the other "measuring stick": VMSA. For anything less than those two examples (vMoL and VMSA which sorc is already best class for) Sorcs can do more than enough damage to make any level of group work out just fine and dandy. Youre really making it a stretch if you come back to me telling me youd rather take a 22k DPS DK over a 21k DPS sorc for any dungeon, because thats just super silly levels of pedantism.

4. Class defining differentiation was the goal of this exercise.

5. But it is the only execute in the game that causes splash damage, and that damage is significant. In PvP it can even cause collateral damage kills. In PvE it will boost DPS on trash mobs.

6. On my PvE setup I use several. Overload bar (dual wield) will have Curse, Frag, Entropy, Mages Wrath, Liquid, Destro bar will have the same except swap wrath/curse for ele ring + crushing shock. Offbar ult is usually shooting star. If I need shields I throw them on the frag spot on the offbar). All told my PvE setup runs anywhere from 5-6 class skills depending on situation. Sometimes less, but rarely. Even when overloading i toss in curses and procfrags. In PvP i tend to use even more.

7. Fossilize = Rune. Talons = Encase(and mines, dont forget mines). Fist = Frag. ??? = Streak. ??? = Atronach stun. I guess you could argue leap? ??? = Negate silence


Your move.

Rylana

Lucky28 wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

The shield nerf isn't enough, honestly.

Good sorcs will be fine. Garbage sorcs will start playing stam nightblade.

so people claim. but honestly the class has been trashed there is no reason to play a sorc that is the reason people will re-roll not because they're garbage sorcs but because the class does not excel at anything anymore and all that set it apart from other classes is gone.

it has nothing to do with good or bad sorcs, it's just about the reality of the situation. but of course people don't look at these changes objectively.

Objectively.

Sorc benefit 1 - most mobile instant cast for lowest cost class. Between boundless storm and streak, good luck keeping up with one, even as a stam bowtard nightblade with a speed potion (and a stam sorc is even faster with the same gear, throwing a streak in there now and then). You might be a little faster at first while that potion is active, but endurance? haha, no chance in hell.

Sorc benefit 2 - Negate. This needs no further discussion, if you dont know why negate is the best ultimate in the game for PvP, especially after DB drops, I have nothing further to say to you.

Sorc benefit 3 - the highest single target DPS potential in the game, via overload. Non overload DPS is mediocre but a good rotation will put you into 20k territory if you try.

Sorc benefit 4 - Lowest ultimate costs in the game, out of the box. Class ults on par base cost, but the power stone passive... oh my lord people underestimate this so much. So, so much. And it stacks with other ult redux gear if you so choose, in fact it used to be meta to do this. 98 cost bats? yesplx.

Sorc benefit 5 - Cheap, ranged, aoe splash execute, no channel, no melee required. Hit that mages wrath baby.

Sorc benefit 6 - The ability via class passive (figure out which one) to stack the most spell damage of any class, without sacrificing anything in the process.

Sorc benefit 7 - Rune Cage, Encase, did I mention streak, frag knockdown, and other delicious CC options no other class has all of.

Now, ive given you seven to retort to, have fun. Tell me again how sorcs are bad, mmkay.

i can retort to everything you've said with one point. Magblades can do all that or variant of but better than a sorc can.

i have tested and confirmed this on PTS and that i why i am not happy with these changes.

I really want to meet this magicka nightblade that can cast negate, streak all over the place, mass root everyone in front of them, aoe splash execute, has lower ultimate costs with non-class ultimates, can out DPS an overload sorc, can achieve higher spell damage than a sorc who intends to have the highest spell damage, and well, prove me wrong buddy.

ZOS_DaryaK

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