Magician vs arcanist (pvp)

devilsTear

Which is better to max out first or should I do it evenly? I believe I read something about diminishing returns somewhere but I don't really know what that's about..
*edit* forgot to mention it's for pvp, v16 dunmer magDK

Mojmir

for pve im running with 73 in each,pvp is a different story

devilsTear

Mojmir wrote: »

for pve im running with 73 in each,pvp is a different story

Sorry I meant for pvp, I edited my post

Mojmir

devilsTear wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

for pve im running with 73 in each,pvp is a different story

Sorry I meant for pvp, I edited my post

i think you would want more recovery

Baconfat79

Recovery is more helpful because of the way it stacks with other forms of recovery. Reduce Cost has diminishing returns.

DKsUnite

ummm it depends alot on how you play your mDK and what sets you run. I run tava + bloodspawn and so i focus on reduce cost because ultimates come all the time and they give you alot of resources back. If you run something like kaeg/magnus/seducer you want more recovery. Even with kaeg, you can make reduce cost work.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

On paper, the faster you cast things, the more it favors reduction. To follow that logic, PVE favors reduction, and PVP favors regen. I think why you are building CP, a healthy balance is just fine. I always put at least 75 into each for the passives.

Brrrofski

As a magics character I wouldn't put 70ish into both for pvp. You should put a good 50 or SP in tumbling really. Really makes the difference between life and death

devilsTear

Well I'll post how I have things setup, maybe you guys can help me then
Dunmer v16 magDK
V16 purple Bloodspawns guise infused
V15 purple Tava's robes infused
V5 purple Bloodspawns pauldron impen
V15 purpleTava's sash divines
V15 purple tava's gloves divines
V15 purple tava's breeches infused
V15 purple tava's shoes divines
3 v16 purple willpower jewelry 1 arcane + 2 robust all spell damage

I'm also running v15 purple s&b Torug's Pact and a destro staff of Torug's Pact.

I have 389 champion points which I spent in this way

-thief
Magician 54
Arcanist 45
Tumbling 30

-mage
Blessed 11
Elfborn 1
Spell erosion 2
Elemantal expert 100
Thaumaturge 15

-warrior
Block expertise 75
Hardy 29
Elemental defender 15
Quick recovery 11

Which brings my stats to
Magicka destro 30241 s&b 30241
Health destro 17272 s&b 18458
Stam destro 16154 s&b 17159

Mag regen 1316
Stam regen 823

Destro spell damage 1798
S&b spell damage 1909

This is with purple v15 tri stat food but not in cyrodiil, so I should have 5k more health there.
Oh and I run the atronach mundus stone and I'm a vamp too.
I hope this isn't too much a wall of a text but I've never written it out like this before

devilsTear

Bumping it up

Leandor

First change out everything for impenetrable. Then get rid of the robust rings and get arcane.

As a dk, go for cost reduction. Your sustain comes from dropping ultimates. Your stamina recovery comes from spamming igneous shield.

I would also lose all points in block expertise and change them to hardy & elemental defender. I would also do 1 spell dmg enchant only and have two magicka cost reduction enchants.

With tava, i'd try 5 light, 2 medium and have shuffle/elude on the back bar, you need major evasion for it to become effective.

Purple tristat should bring you up to around 15k stam as a dunmer, which is enough to make helping hands efficient.

devilsTear

Leandor wrote: »

First change out everything for impenetrable. Then get rid of the robust rings and get arcane.

As a dk, go for cost reduction. Your sustain comes from dropping ultimates. Your stamina recovery comes from spamming igneous shield.

I would also lose all points in block expertise and change them to hardy & elemental defender. I would also do 1 spell dmg enchant only and have two magicka cost reduction enchants.

With tava, i'd try 5 light, 2 medium and have shuffle/elude on the back bar, you need major evasion for it to become effective.

Purple tristat should bring you up to around 15k stam as a dunmer, which is enough to make helping hands efficient.

Im already using shuffle otherwise I wouldn't be using tava's lol why do you recommend full impen? I recently switched from a full impen set ( also tava's and bloodspawn) and I feel impen wasn't really doing anything for me, I actually die less since I switched gear and kill more or maybe I just got better lol
I have thought about 5l and 2m but it don't have medium bs shoulders.. And I'm too poor for arcane jewelry besides the extra Stam from robust helps with sustain.
At what point does cost reduction start giving diminishing returns? I need to know that before I mess up my CP