Zenimax or Lazymax? You Decide!

Conquistador · May 2016

After playing this game for about a year now, I have seen some schist. In the current state of the game, I find myself logging in, talking to some friends and doing writs to expand my gold count. That's it. What I am seeing is laziness across the board. New mounts and costumes come in for the crownstore, but why does it look like they were created by amateur designers? The clipping on that new droth-ma-whatever panther is hideous and it looks very low quality. Zenimax, I ask you to please pay attention to detail.

Also, the Thieves Guild armours on females look pretty bad, lol. I tried to get past it, but having a super lump over my character's front torso region is disgusting. She's a curvy woman and is more than willing to embrace her feminine physique. It's beautiful.

Bugs too; we don't like those. Oh and the guild bank retrieving items for eternity is another problem that hasn't changed since I joined this game.

Oh, sorry. One more thing. Floating shoulder pieces are kind of.... yeah, what is going on guys? Can I become an employee too, it seems pretty relaxed in your environment

babylon · May 2016

Conquistador wrote: »

... yeah, what is going on guys? Can I become an employee too, it seems pretty relaxed in your environment

Yeah sounds like it'd be the kind of workplace everybody gets drunk at, then do 3 minutes work as the boss walks past so it looks like we achieved something for the day. This is definitely drunk coding.

bloodenragedb14_ESO · May 2016

lazy, no

misinterpreting the wants and needs of the playerbase

all the time

khele23eb17_ESO · May 2016

bloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »

lazy, no

Misaligned/deformed/clipping armor and costume pieces say otherwise. Floating sheathed weapons say otherwise. Particle effects from buffs getting stuck on weapons say otherwise.

Its either laziness or not having enough people to do things right.

Valrien · May 2016

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

bloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »

lazy, no

Misaligned/deformed/clipping armor and costume pieces say otherwise. Floating sheathed weapons say otherwise. Particle effects from buffs getting stuck on weapons say otherwise.

Its either lazy or not having enough people to do things right.

Right, and youre the messiah that will save ESO and make everything perfect for all eternity?

khele23eb17_ESO · May 2016

Valrien wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

bloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »

lazy, no

Misaligned/deformed/clipping armor and costume pieces say otherwise. Floating sheathed weapons say otherwise. Particle effects from buffs getting stuck on weapons say otherwise.

Its either lazy or not having enough people to do things right.

Right, and youre the messiah that will save ESO and make everything perfect for all eternity?

Im a paying customer which gives me the right to express disatisfaction with aspects of a purchased product I deem lacking. I dont have to be a professional carpenter to see a table is missing a leg, do I?

UltimaJoe777 · May 2016

Oh look another Zenimax roast thread. What are the odds...

lassitershawn · May 2016

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

bloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »

lazy, no

Misaligned/deformed/clipping armor and costume pieces say otherwise. Floating sheathed weapons say otherwise. Particle effects from buffs getting stuck on weapons say otherwise.

Its either laziness or not having enough people to do things right.

That one in particular is really *** annoying. Cast elemental blockade, swap bars, flaming animation from my vMA inferno sticks on one of my swords. Sometimes animations that are supposed to be on your weapon will be a few feet out to the right floating in midair. Reallllly annoying.

Rohamad_Ali · May 2016

A more constructive approach to addressing the look of the new gear would be to title it as such and let the Dev team know there is a difference in the quality of some of the new armors and mounts compared to the old . I know exactly what you are speaking of and I think some of the new gear looks rushed as well as some of the new mounts . I think most people would agree quality art is something this game has prided itself with in the past and maintaining that quality is important to Us in the game .

KingWhyteboi · May 2016

keno shoulders are so bad to look at the gap between body and shoulder!! i even think a blind person can even see it how they missed it is beyond me

Valrien · May 2016

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

bloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »

lazy, no

Misaligned/deformed/clipping armor and costume pieces say otherwise. Floating sheathed weapons say otherwise. Particle effects from buffs getting stuck on weapons say otherwise.

Its either lazy or not having enough people to do things right.

Right, and youre the messiah that will save ESO and make everything perfect for all eternity?

Im a paying customer which gives me the right to express disatisfaction with aspects of a purchased product I deem lacking. I dont have to be a professional carpenter to see a table is missing a leg, do I?

What you're implying is that it's as easy as saying a few words and fixing everything. Do you know how intricate their systems are? Personally, I'd imagine that it would be very hard to make every moving bit and bob to align with every other interchangeable bit and bob that it could possibly mixed with.

I'll admit...the particle effect thing is a super annoying bug, though.

lassitershawn · May 2016

KingWhyteboi wrote: »

keno shoulders are so bad to look at the gap between body and shoulder!! i even think a blind person can even see it how they missed it is beyond me

Yea this would have to be the second most annoying after the particle one. I have to wear a costume it's so horrid looking.

khele23eb17_ESO · May 2016

Valrien wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

bloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »

lazy, no

Misaligned/deformed/clipping armor and costume pieces say otherwise. Floating sheathed weapons say otherwise. Particle effects from buffs getting stuck on weapons say otherwise.

Its either lazy or not having enough people to do things right.

Right, and youre the messiah that will save ESO and make everything perfect for all eternity?

Im a paying customer which gives me the right to express disatisfaction with aspects of a purchased product I deem lacking. I dont have to be a professional carpenter to see a table is missing a leg, do I?

What you're implying is that it's as easy as saying a few words and fixing everything. Do you know how intricate their systems are? Personally, I'd imagine that it would be very hard to make every moving bit and bob to align with every other interchangeable bit and bob that it could possibly mixed with.

Im implying theyve had 2 years to wrap their heads around these issues. If they havent there must be a reason. And no, I dont think its THAT hard to anchor shoulder/hip armor and sheathed weapons to the character models properly.

Taisynn · May 2016

Lazymax.

They fit everything to the male torso then slap two distorted blobs on it to make it female! Or they just inflate the chest until it's like they had a balloon in their shirt.

And it's only getting worse.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/257543/important-update-zos-please-reconsider-your-decision-to-no-longer-make-female-light-armor/p1

khele23eb17_ESO · May 2016

lassitershawn wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

bloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »

lazy, no

Misaligned/deformed/clipping armor and costume pieces say otherwise. Floating sheathed weapons say otherwise. Particle effects from buffs getting stuck on weapons say otherwise.

Its either laziness or not having enough people to do things right.

That one in particular is really *** annoying. Cast elemental blockade, swap bars, flaming animation from my vMA inferno sticks on one of my swords. Sometimes animations that are supposed to be on your weapon will be a few feet out to the right floating in midair. Reallllly annoying.

Not only that. You should be able to rely on visual cues provided by the buffs to know when to reapply them. But no. You need to use add ons because the visual cues bug out after 5 minutes in combat and become useless (and also aesthetically annoying).

Lylith · May 2016

lassitershawn wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

bloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »

lazy, no

Misaligned/deformed/clipping armor and costume pieces say otherwise. Floating sheathed weapons say otherwise. Particle effects from buffs getting stuck on weapons say otherwise.

Its either laziness or not having enough people to do things right.

That one in particular is really *** annoying. Cast elemental blockade, swap bars, flaming animation from my vMA inferno sticks on one of my swords. Sometimes animations that are supposed to be on your weapon will be a few feet out to the right floating in midair. Reallllly annoying.

and enduring.

that bug's been around since (before) day one.

flguy147ub17_ESO · May 2016

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

bloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »

lazy, no

Misaligned/deformed/clipping armor and costume pieces say otherwise. Floating sheathed weapons say otherwise. Particle effects from buffs getting stuck on weapons say otherwise.

Its either lazy or not having enough people to do things right.

Right, and youre the messiah that will save ESO and make everything perfect for all eternity?

Im a paying customer which gives me the right to express disatisfaction with aspects of a purchased product I deem lacking. I dont have to be a professional carpenter to see a table is missing a leg, do I?

Your carpenter designed the monster set shoulders too? Guess that expains it all. Damn carpenter developing ESO now.

Waseem · May 2016

saw this

JD2013 · May 2016

Instead of starting a baiting thread, how about looking at things and finding a thread you might consider helpful;

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/257543/important-update-zos-please-reconsider-your-decision-to-no-longer-make-female-light-armor#latest (This thread is to do with armours and costumes etc and clipping issues)

And leaving some constructive feedback, as opposed to foot stamping and name calling?

ArchMikem · May 2016

I can just imagine you guys being Zoidberg. "Your game is bad and you should feel bad!"

I can also feel like you guys have pretty much done everything you can think of in the game, and so now with all this free time you've devoted it to focusing on every single thing wrong, or view as wrong with the game. Guys, ESO is a GIGANTIC video game. And if you've watched documentaries on game developers you'd have an idea on just how stressful a studio can be. In comparison to this, Bungie had horror stories over developing a piddly little game called Halo.

I think we need a thread or two thanking Zenimax at least for providing us with this massive game for the base $60 cost, and also no longer asking a subscription fee to play it.

Also, there's this nifty phrase I know. "Think you can do better?" Go ahead, send them your resume.

C0wrex · May 2016

People forget how hard it is to make a game this large and intricate. In fact, there will always be things that go awry at this scale - systems that bug out, features that are left broken, skills that are unbalanced, etc. Point on fact, that was the case of ESO at its launch with a lot of its systems and mechanics being in a state of disrepair But flash forward two years later. Zenimax learned its lessons and implemented a gigantic change to the game - changing a lot of its features, systems and mechanics.

Watching all the documentaries they had on making the game, the designers over at Zenimax were incredibly passionate about making this game - as they had the virtues and values that every game should have in mind; where players can have an incredible experience. But I digress, looking on the improvements and changes they made for Elder Scrolls Online. It's very unfair to call them lazy.

Like what @ArchMikem said, it can be incredibly stressful working in a studio. In fact, I know how it feels working in one such studio - it can be hellish as ideas jumble all over the place - and this isn't a case of being a professional or not as problems will always occur. The best one can do is to work through all that sludge of problems and deliver your best.

To conclude, sure, Zenimax had its fallings but they're doing their best to satisfy us, their players. It's alright to get angry at them for certain decisions but it is not alright to call them lazy.

moesmaker · May 2016

I must be playing another game compared to some here. My female breton templar simply looks gorgeous in her shiny light armor set.

babylon · May 2016

Latest costumes - male or female, you decide.

So yeah, I'd call that pretty lazy - they're not even trying to use a female body for this, or even trying to make it look even slightly female...it's just the male body shrunk down a bit.

Also, when will someone figure out how to make the sound work post Thieves Guild patch. Apparently they don't even know what they did wrong there.

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C0wrex · May 2016

@babylon I still wouldn't call the studio lazy for creating new armor designs. That dragon priest skin is badass as hell and I know for sure that it takes a lot of work in making.

babylon · May 2016

C0wrex wrote: »

@babylon I still wouldn't call the studio lazy for creating new armor designs.

That is no armour design for a female, it's only been designed for the male, and that is why it's lazy.

moesmaker · May 2016

You could call it lazy, but maybe it is intentional. We don't know

C0wrex · May 2016

babylon wrote: »

C0wrex wrote: »

@babylon I still wouldn't call the studio lazy for creating new armor designs.

That is no armour design for a female, it's only been designed for the male, and that is why it's lazy.

But they still made a new skin didn't they? I can see your point but my point is that I'd call it lazy if they just rehashed the Dragon priest skin from an already made armor and painted in new colors.

babylon · May 2016

C0wrex wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

C0wrex wrote: »

@babylon I still wouldn't call the studio lazy for creating new armor designs.

That is no armour design for a female, it's only been designed for the male, and that is why it's lazy.

But they still made a new skin didn't they? I can see your point...

I don't care they made a new skin if the skin does not fit me, yet they are claiming it's for the female as well.

If they make a costume which costs real dollars to buy, you make it so it looks good on the character belonging to your customer...or you don't get a customer.

You can't possibly defend them on this point.

C0wrex · May 2016

babylon wrote: »

C0wrex wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

C0wrex wrote: »

@babylon I still wouldn't call the studio lazy for creating new armor designs.

That is no armour design for a female, it's only been designed for the male, and that is why it's lazy.

But they still made a new skin didn't they? I can see your point...

I don't care they made a new skin if the skin does not fit me, yet they are claiming it's for the female as well.

If they make a costume which costs real dollars to buy, you make it so it looks good on the character belonging to your customer...or you don't get a customer.

You can't possibly defend them on this point.

I'm defending ZOS from people calling them lazy. The fact that they made a new skin isn't the work of a lazy studio. Like what @moesmaker said - it could be intentional. Besides, you're going through customer satisfaction now. It still doesn't meant a studio is lazy for not meeting the "wants" of a consumer. They were hard at work in making this skin.

babylon · May 2016

C0wrex wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

C0wrex wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

C0wrex wrote: »

@babylon I still wouldn't call the studio lazy for creating new armor designs.

That is no armour design for a female, it's only been designed for the male, and that is why it's lazy.

But they still made a new skin didn't they? I can see your point...

I don't care they made a new skin if the skin does not fit me, yet they are claiming it's for the female as well.

If they make a costume which costs real dollars to buy, you make it so it looks good on the character belonging to your customer...or you don't get a customer.

You can't possibly defend them on this point.

snip...They were hard at work in making this skin.

It is lazy, because they didn't make a separate design for the female that fits the female body.

They worked hard at making the skin for the male character...they didn't spend a second at making the skin for a female character...conclusion = they are lazy.

They can't expect anyone with a female character to buy this thoughtless lazy work.

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C0wrex · May 2016

babylon wrote: »

They worked hard at making the skin for the male character...they didn't spend a second at makingt he skin for a female character...conclusion = they are lazy.

Still isn't. You know how hard making meshes and textures are? They're hard. And here's how they look: [From Google]

It isn't lazy if they made new meshes and textures for that skin. Besides, it could be ESO's style for female armor. seeing as how they scrapped the old Redguard armor for females, that could be a direction they're going for.

All in all though, I believe that they aren't lazy. Might not suit your wants but still isn't lazy in my opinion.