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@ZOS @TheCommunity ESO Plus subs = Crown purchasers (Total lifetime crowns matter that's it!)
NewBlacksmurf
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For around a year now there are many topics about ESO Plus should get X or Y.
Just so everyone is on the same page.
Anyone who buys crowns and or ESO plus is supporting the game. No one is supporting more than another solely based on this.
If @zos wants to provide some types of exclusive in-game reward it needs to be based on one thing the total amount of crowns purchased.
So @ZOS_GinaBruno and @ZOS_JessicaFolsom or @ZOS_RichLambert
Whomever made the crafting bags decision behind ESO Plus as well as whomever is handling the feedback.
If you want to do things the right way, this offer needs to be provided to customers who have spent X amount of crowns.
If you want to offer newer customers this by saying if you're an ESO Plus subscriber you also qualify, that's fine but I think @zos you're loosing sight of what matters.
If you want ppl to support your product, don't confuse loyalty. Some of us not on PC would like to sub but you can't resolve the issue with crowns on ESO plus subs for Xbox one. It's been over a year so don't cut us out because you're trying to use one promotion. Doing so tells us customer who have purchased over 50k in crowns as well as having been a PC ESO plus and Xbox one subscriber that we are of no value.
For the community...no one group deserves any benefits over the other unless we look at actual input.
Total crowns is the currency that matters.
If you want to offer non-ESO plus subscribers benefits like the crafting back then place it under a rolling min crown total that grows by 1500 each month.
Thanks for reading. I got tired of all the "we deserve this" not them comments about ESO plus subscribers as if it's some badge of honor vs others who just buy stuff or both.
Edit: 50k in crowns exceed 2 years plus of ESO plus but even if discounted it's over a year for consoles.
Edited by NewBlacksmurf on April 26, 2016 5:06PM Just so everyone is on the same page.
Anyone who buys crowns and or ESO plus is supporting the game. No one is supporting more than another solely based on this.
If @zos wants to provide some types of exclusive in-game reward it needs to be based on one thing the total amount of crowns purchased.
So @ZOS_GinaBruno and @ZOS_JessicaFolsom or @ZOS_RichLambert
Whomever made the crafting bags decision behind ESO Plus as well as whomever is handling the feedback.
If you want to do things the right way, this offer needs to be provided to customers who have spent X amount of crowns.
If you want to offer newer customers this by saying if you're an ESO Plus subscriber you also qualify, that's fine but I think @zos you're loosing sight of what matters.
If you want ppl to support your product, don't confuse loyalty. Some of us not on PC would like to sub but you can't resolve the issue with crowns on ESO plus subs for Xbox one. It's been over a year so don't cut us out because you're trying to use one promotion. Doing so tells us customer who have purchased over 50k in crowns as well as having been a PC ESO plus and Xbox one subscriber that we are of no value.
For the community...no one group deserves any benefits over the other unless we look at actual input.
Total crowns is the currency that matters.
If you want to offer non-ESO plus subscribers benefits like the crafting back then place it under a rolling min crown total that grows by 1500 each month.
Thanks for reading. I got tired of all the "we deserve this" not them comments about ESO plus subscribers as if it's some badge of honor vs others who just buy stuff or both.
Edit: 50k in crowns exceed 2 years plus of ESO plus but even if discounted it's over a year for consoles.
-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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✭✭No,..not for the amount of crowns people buy.
If you are talking about the bags,they are for those people who pay for a subscription. Not for people who bought crowns.
I mean,dont get me wrong,the bags should be for sale too in the crown store,but not for plus members who have bought X amount of gold.
Some people arent able to purchase a lot of crowns. They are only able to pay for the subscription.
Oh,and about this:
"Thanks for reading. I got tired of all the "we deserve this" not them comments about ESO plus subscribers as if it's some badge of honor vs others who just buy stuff or both.'
Not everyone who subs feels like this,and not all of them comment like that.
And,..I get tired of all the people who bi-tch about giving something to people who sub as well.Edited by Volkodav on April 26, 2016 5:13PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The bag is a not a REWARD, it is an INCENTIVE.
You want the bag ? Sub.
/thread.Edited by anitajoneb17_ESO on April 26, 2016 5:13PM15 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No,..not for the amount of crowns people buy.
If you are talking about the bags,they are for those people who pay for a subscription. Not for people who bought crowns.
I mean,dont get me wrong,the bags should be for sale too in the crown store,but not for plus members who have bought X amount of gold.
Some people arent able to purchase a lot of crowns. They are only able to pay for the subscription.
Oh,and about this:
"Thanks for reading. I got tired of all the "we deserve this" not them comments about ESO plus subscribers as if it's some badge of honor vs others who just buy stuff or both.'
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I'm not sure I understand if you agree or disagree or if you have a different idea completely.
1. Total Crowns = the total number of crowns an account has purchased. (1 way to get access)
2. ESO Plus (another way to get access)
3. Stipulation to #1 is that a set amount of total crowns can qualify and disqualify you if you don't have ESO plus but both are not necessary.
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✭What I don't understand is if you buy 1500 crowns a month and you want crafting bags then why wouldn't you buy eso plus and get your 1500 crowns that way. It is common sense. You will get what you want for spending the same amount you normally would spend. That is if all these people saying they spend 15 dollars or more a month truly spend that and are not just making stuff up.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »The bag is a not a REWARD, it is an INCENTIVE.
You want the bag ? Sub.
/thread.
and incentive for what.....to buy eso plus right.
Well, thats fine if ESO Plus actually worked as it should on my platform but it doesn't so until ZOS can actually fix this and stoop saying its fixed when it never was partially resolved there needs to be another way to get access to what you suggest in an incentive.
This is not an incentive for Xbox One as we sub...get charged and get no crowns and/or limited or partial access to DLC. too many issues to consider it an incentive.Oh and the experience of arguing with Cust Service for 40 emails each month....hoping to get crowns. I'm still short 3k crowns......so no thanks
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✭✭✭✭✭What I don't understand is if you buy 1500 crowns a month and you want crafting bags then why wouldn't you buy eso plus and get your 1500 crowns that way. It is common sense. You will get what you want for spending the same amount you normally would spend. That is if all these people saying they spend 15 dollars or more a month truly spend that and are not just making stuff up.
please read the part where I'm sharing that ESO Plus doesnt give us crowns on xbox one on renewal......-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »No,..not for the amount of crowns people buy.
If you are talking about the bags,they are for those people who pay for a subscription. Not for people who bought crowns.
I mean,dont get me wrong,the bags should be for sale too in the crown store,but not for plus members who have bought X amount of gold.
Some people arent able to purchase a lot of crowns. They are only able to pay for the subscription.
Oh,and about this:
"Thanks for reading. I got tired of all the "we deserve this" not them comments about ESO plus subscribers as if it's some badge of honor vs others who just buy stuff or both.'
n
I'm not sure I understand if you agree or disagree or if you have a different idea completely.
1. Total Crowns = the total number of crowns an account has purchased. (1 way to get access)
2. ESO Plus (another way to get access)
3. Stipulation to #1 is that a set amount of total crowns can qualify and disqualify you if you don't have ESO plus but both are not necessary.
Well,at first,I wasnt into the idea of the amount of crowns purchased should be a stipulation for gaining the bags.However,on reading your comment here,well,..I still stand that crowns shouldnt be an issue for the bags,..other than buying them in the crown store.I dont mean to seem rude.Just saying my thoughts on the issue.
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✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »No,..not for the amount of crowns people buy.
If you are talking about the bags,they are for those people who pay for a subscription. Not for people who bought crowns.
I mean,dont get me wrong,the bags should be for sale too in the crown store,but not for plus members who have bought X amount of gold.
Some people arent able to purchase a lot of crowns. They are only able to pay for the subscription.
Oh,and about this:
"Thanks for reading. I got tired of all the "we deserve this" not them comments about ESO plus subscribers as if it's some badge of honor vs others who just buy stuff or both.'
n
I'm not sure I understand if you agree or disagree or if you have a different idea completely.
1. Total Crowns = the total number of crowns an account has purchased. (1 way to get access)
2. ESO Plus (another way to get access)
3. Stipulation to #1 is that a set amount of total crowns can qualify and disqualify you if you don't have ESO plus but both are not necessary.
Well,at first,I wasnt into the idea of the amount of crowns purchased should be a stipulation for gaining the bags.However,on reading your comment here,well,..I still stand that crowns shouldnt be an issue for the bags,..other than buying them in the crown store.I dont mean to seem rude.Just saying my thoughts on the issue.
And to be fair...you're right....but all three should be considered.
I think no one will be upset if they can use their crowns to buy a bag or Sub.
It depends on what ZOS hopes to gain....I'd say just don't push away either groupEdited by NewBlacksmurf on April 26, 2016 5:29PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Sunver✭✭✭I understand why OP author said what he said(or wrote what he wrote). He is probably with ESO from the very beginning, even maybe from beta. Always having subscription, being loyal. He can't stand that he gets the same thing as someone who just started playing and bought ESO Plus. I understand that.
However I think that ZOS needs this extra cash to pull up something big, I mean really big, maybe a whole new Expansion(not just DLC). To do that they need money and dammit, this crafting bag is going to work man! I expect 5 to 10% more subs.When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;
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✭✭As much as I love ESO, this is not a charity, it's an entertainment product. You buy a copy because it entertains you and you are interested in playing the game.
If there is personal value for you in becoming an ESO plus member, having quick access to all the DLC, buffs, bonus monthly crowns, etc., go for it.
Those who prefer to stick with the base game or buy DLC content instead, ultimately may end up spending about the same or more than a subscriber, but the game is designed so everyone can pick and choose how they prefer to enjoy the content.
The DLC and some of the upcoming crown store items like character slots, race change etc., are appealing enough that I imagine most people who have been playing the base game for a while are interested in buying something at some point.
The crafting bags are appealing enough that I'm now planning to become an ESO Plus member again (after not subscribing since TU launch). I don't imagine this feature was intended to unfairly "thank" subscribers over people who are spending lots of money in the crown store, as you propose above.
I think the idea is to entice more people to do both. More appealing to subscribe, and at the same time some new stuff people are eager to buy in the crown store.Edited by IcyDeadPeople on April 26, 2016 5:52PM3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I understand why OP author said what he said(or wrote what he wrote). He is probably with ESO from the very beginning, even maybe from beta. Always having subscription, being loyal. He can't stand that he gets the same thing as someone who just started playing and bought ESO Plus. I understand that.
However I think that ZOS needs this extra cash to pull up something big, I mean really big, maybe a whole new Expansion(not just DLC). To do that they need money and dammit, this crafting bag is going to work man! I expect 5 to 10% more subs.
This guess is wrong.
But what is accurate...I was a PC closed BETA, pre-order collectors edition and subbed from launch on PC. I stopped subbing after 6+ months on PC due to unresolved crashes that Cust Service and ZOS was unable to resolve for 3 months. Then I came back after getting 2 day passes to test out these crash issues for 3 months.
I later moved to Xbox One and subbed from day 1 and ran into issues every month for 5 months of being charged and either not getting crowns or limited access to DLC on certain days or both. After lliterally a 40+ email exchange and PMs on the forums for a manager I got my crowns.
Stopped for over 45 days. and subbed again....and guess what....on renewal no crowns. Another email chain argument for crowns. So after this I decided to just buy them..and did for 10k at a time on every sale.
Then ZOS annouced ESO Plus was fixed on xbox one and we could sub again....I didn't wanna miss out on Orsinium so I subbed....and guess what. Not only did I not get them on the start but neither on the renewal. Service showed me where they had changed the terms and had me wait another 30 days. That argument ended with only 1500 crowns instead of 3k. so now Im out 1500 and the prior 1500 and then seeing PAX East notes...yeah ESO PLus still has issues on xbox one and they are working with xbox on this BUT if I want the crafting bags I had to sub.....
Really....
so literally having paid for ESO Plus over 6 months and buying 50k in crowns on xbox one alone...not counting anything spent on PC prior.....I excluded...
then to see ZOS entertain a we need to change ESO Plus without resolving it and locking benefits behind it.
Bothers me and the arguments where forum users tend to think one customer is more valuable or important to another OR that ZOS needs more money......
ZOS could make a lot more if they would actually provide rewards to paying customers and stop trying to play this sub/crown game.
Just remove ESO Plus all together and for crown packs...give 30-X days of benefits....
That isn't a hard concept.
Allow ppl to auto pay crown packs.....its not a hard concept.
its really simple and then you place incentive where they belong...to paying customers
Edited by NewBlacksmurf on April 26, 2016 5:43PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »No,..not for the amount of crowns people buy.
If you are talking about the bags,they are for those people who pay for a subscription. Not for people who bought crowns.
I mean,dont get me wrong,the bags should be for sale too in the crown store,but not for plus members who have bought X amount of gold.
Some people arent able to purchase a lot of crowns. They are only able to pay for the subscription.
Oh,and about this:
"Thanks for reading. I got tired of all the "we deserve this" not them comments about ESO plus subscribers as if it's some badge of honor vs others who just buy stuff or both.'
n
I'm not sure I understand if you agree or disagree or if you have a different idea completely.
1. Total Crowns = the total number of crowns an account has purchased. (1 way to get access)
2. ESO Plus (another way to get access)
3. Stipulation to #1 is that a set amount of total crowns can qualify and disqualify you if you don't have ESO plus but both are not necessary.
Well,at first,I wasnt into the idea of the amount of crowns purchased should be a stipulation for gaining the bags.However,on reading your comment here,well,..I still stand that crowns shouldnt be an issue for the bags,..other than buying them in the crown store.I dont mean to seem rude.Just saying my thoughts on the issue.
And to be fair...you're right....but all three should be considered.
I think no one will be upset if they can use their crowns to buy a bag or Sub.
It depends on what ZOS hopes to gain....I'd say just don't push away either group
I do agree that they should be able to buy the bags with crowns.I just wasnt into the "total crowns" being a requirement to get them. Just that bit.
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✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »No,..not for the amount of crowns people buy.
If you are talking about the bags,they are for those people who pay for a subscription. Not for people who bought crowns.
I mean,dont get me wrong,the bags should be for sale too in the crown store,but not for plus members who have bought X amount of gold.
Some people arent able to purchase a lot of crowns. They are only able to pay for the subscription.
Oh,and about this:
"Thanks for reading. I got tired of all the "we deserve this" not them comments about ESO plus subscribers as if it's some badge of honor vs others who just buy stuff or both.'
n
I'm not sure I understand if you agree or disagree or if you have a different idea completely.
1. Total Crowns = the total number of crowns an account has purchased. (1 way to get access)
2. ESO Plus (another way to get access)
3. Stipulation to #1 is that a set amount of total crowns can qualify and disqualify you if you don't have ESO plus but both are not necessary.
Well,at first,I wasnt into the idea of the amount of crowns purchased should be a stipulation for gaining the bags.However,on reading your comment here,well,..I still stand that crowns shouldnt be an issue for the bags,..other than buying them in the crown store.I dont mean to seem rude.Just saying my thoughts on the issue.
And to be fair...you're right....but all three should be considered.
I think no one will be upset if they can use their crowns to buy a bag or Sub.
It depends on what ZOS hopes to gain....I'd say just don't push away either group
I do agree that they should be able to buy the bags with crowns.I just wasnt into the "total crowns" being a requirement to get them. Just that bit.
But why?
Is not total crowns the whole point?
Is ESO Plus more valuable ...no its neither more or less. its money...give reward to paying customers and set stipulations so they keep paying....ie: crowns only expires are rolling total set by ZOS.-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Is not total crowns the whole point?
Is ESO Plus more valuable ...no its neither more or less. its money...give reward to paying customers and set stipulations so they keep paying....ie: crowns only expires are rolling total set by ZOS.
Do you prefer a regular paycheck or to be paid by piece work?
I think that the ZoS peeps prefer to know that their net paycheck is in the works. I would.Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
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