More PvE nerfs to help PvP, which don't help anything in PvP...

Pallio

Who tests this stuff, why do we always get nerfs that impact PvE more than PvP, based on PvP complaints.. i.e. Sorc Shields, nerf hardly changes anything in PvP, but makes playing in PvE rediculous.... wish someone at ZOS actually played this game :-(

PainfulFAFA

You do not need shields to pve dps...
Those sorcs pulling out 30-45k dps are doing it with 16k hp.

Van_0S

Pallio wrote: »

Who tests this stuff, why do we always get nerfs that impact PvE more than PvP, based on PvP complaints.. i.e. Sorc Shields, nerf hardly changes anything in PvP, but makes playing in PvE rediculous.... wish someone at ZOS actually played this game :-(

What are you saying?!
You can still apply shield stacking.

Its not removed from game, only the duration is limited that is still good for PvE because the bosses are brainless, scripted and you have to just learn their patterns by observing or from other sources like YouTube,Google,etc.

Valrien

The only part of PvE this could possibly affect is vMA. A good Sorcerer doesn't use shields in the rest of PvE except in very rare circumstances.

Lucky28

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

You do not need shields to pve dps...
Those sorcs pulling out 30-45k dps are doing it with 16k hp.

and shields so they don't get one shot and have to get resed which slows overall DPS of the entire group. and as i have said before, pet builds are trash with the shield duration change in PvE. pets are already hard enough to keep alive in the current live with a 6 second duration on ward keeping your pets alive is going to become your full time job. not worth using.

it affects PvE a lot.

Valrien wrote: »

The only part of PvE this could possibly affect is vMA. A good Sorcerer doesn't use shields in the rest of PvE except in very rare circumstances.

i don't know where this is coming from. but it is wrong. every good sorc uses ward in PvE. you can't DPS when you get one shot.

nine9six

Lucky28 wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

You do not need shields to pve dps...
Those sorcs pulling out 30-45k dps are doing it with 16k hp.

and shields so they don't get one shot and have to get resed which slows overall DPS of the entire group. and as i have said before, pet builds are trash with the shield duration change in PvE. pets are already hard enough to keep alive in the current live with a 6 second duration on ward keeping your pets alive is going to become your full time job. not worth using.

it affects PvE a lot.

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Pallio

Great thanks, hope we get some more advise from people who hate sorcs..

People that actually play sorcs know this is the most annoying nerf they could have come up with to appease the pvp crowd, bar swapping every 6 sec. is rediculous, definitely not going to play that way. Looking at other characters that will have viability and not being rediculous to play.. really hate bar swapping a million times to get through VMA... will have to figure out which class I want to run it on without cramping my fingers.

xblackroxe

Honestly I dontget all this hate for that patch. ZOS did so mich right. From my perspective (a player that plays all classes in PVE & PVP) there was no negative change. Well except I not 100% sure about the new Harness but lets see how it evoles.
Also patchnotes came out yesterday have you actually tried the changes or did you just come here to whine for no with evidence backed up reason?

Recremen

I'm definitely not seeing the point of changing shields to be all 6 seconds. If you can't even buff them up a few seconds before a fight then what's the point? When everyone is faced with the dilemma of being caught in a defensive loop versus going on the offensive, who is going to choose the former?

nine9six

xblackroxe wrote: »

Also patchnotes came out yesterday have you actually tried the changes or did you just come here to whine for no with evidence backed up reason?

You already know the answer to that one.

waterfairy

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

You do not need shields to pve dps...
.

You do when you're playing solo.

Waffennacht

It kinda hurts solo sorcs, though honestly I cast hardened all the time, finally my playstyle is validated

What I may do is actually shield stack via hardened one bar, annulment another. That way, when i switch bars, there will always be a small window of 20k ward for all damage up.

Quite honestly l only see the Fotm YoloSorc (that same build EVERYONE else runs, healing ward, hardened, mines, streak, annulment back bar, curse, frag, det, wrath, surge type front bar) being effected.

I always hated that build

leepalmer95

Vigarr wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

You do not need shields to pve dps...
.

You do when you're playing solo.

I could run around naked and complete this game solo it's so easy.

Lucky28 wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

You do not need shields to pve dps...
Those sorcs pulling out 30-45k dps are doing it with 16k hp.

and shields so they don't get one shot and have to get resed which slows overall DPS of the entire group. and as i have said before, pet builds are trash with the shield duration change in PvE. pets are already hard enough to keep alive in the current live with a 6 second duration on ward keeping your pets alive is going to become your full time job. not worth using.

it affects PvE a lot.

Valrien wrote: »

The only part of PvE this could possibly affect is vMA. A good Sorcerer doesn't use shields in the rest of PvE except in very rare circumstances.

i don't know where this is coming from. but it is wrong. every good sorc uses ward in PvE. you can't DPS when you get one shot.

Or they could dodge the aoe's/ block and not be a glass cannon anymore? You know like every other class without a shield bigger than their hp...

Pallio

So you have done VMA, naked? Video plz

STEVIL

Recremen wrote: »

I'm definitely not seeing the point of changing shields to be all 6 seconds. If you can't even buff them up a few seconds before a fight then what's the point? When everyone is faced with the dilemma of being caught in a defensive loop versus going on the offensive, who is going to choose the former?

So here is a weird thought.

What if I stead of using shields-aplenty as the only defense, a sorc would buy maybe some heslth, use resistance buffs that last longer to boost toughness, use attacks and effects with some healing, maybe equip sets for something other than max crit max dmg max mag and use the brief shield as a one shot or two at most temporary boost to your overall fighting routine?

STEVIL

I wish the elite pvp crowd would get their stories straight as to whether this is irrelevant to pvp, ends sorcerers in pvp or makes them crushing op.

It's so confusing to see them be all three at the same time.

nine9six

Pallio wrote: »

So you have done VMA, naked? Video plz

The Toon or the Player?

Pallio

Honestly, this game would be much less frustrating if they just told us what builds they want is to play, stop pretending like any class/race/build can be viable.... Just tell us templar is a healer, dk is the tank, Sorc is the range magic class, NB is the rogue etc.. people have wasted a lot of time on dps templars, healing NBs, melee sorcs etc... instead of nerfing the builds that play outside the box or too effectively....

Eocosa

I honestly think changes like this, as well as the addition of things such as VD are a way to shift the meta away from straight glass cannon builds.

Only have 16k health? Sure you dish out the dps, but one round of being focused and you die. In pve that is a detriment to the groups dps overall which means you must either be more cognizant of mechanics or simply increase your health. In pvp it means having to either up your survivability, roll solo, or honestly be a liability to your group as a whole when you begin to blow them up.

I could be wrong, but that is the trend I have begun to really pick up, and this is just another bit of evidence to it.

ManDraKE

A clear L2P issue. Drop a shield, slot a pet, problem solved

KaleidoscopeEyz

Slow clap for Zos. Sorcs too op anyways.

Pallio

nine9six wrote: »

Pallio wrote: »

So you have done VMA, naked? Video plz

The Toon or the Player?

TOON, god plz don't post real pics....

khele23eb17_ESO

nine9six wrote: »

Pallio wrote: »

So you have done VMA, naked? Video plz

The Toon or the Player?

The toon isnt possible, the player we dont want to see :P

ADarklore

Vigarr wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

You do not need shields to pve dps...
.

You do when you're playing solo.

I don't know about that... on my Magicka Sorc I rarely ever used Hardened Ward... at first I thought it was necessary, but after playing for a while I realized that I actually didn't need it. I think a lot of people are the same, except they are unwilling to accept they don't need it. Try playing without it, you may actually come to the same conclusion, it isn't 'necessary' to complete most soloable content... it is more of a crutch than anything in many cases.

nine9six

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

nine9six wrote: »

Pallio wrote: »

So you have done VMA, naked? Video plz

The Toon or the Player?

The toon isnt possible, the player we dont want to see :P

haha fair enough!

Fallen_Ray

YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »

Pallio wrote: »

Who tests this stuff, why do we always get nerfs that impact PvE more than PvP, based on PvP complaints.. i.e. Sorc Shields, nerf hardly changes anything in PvP, but makes playing in PvE rediculous.... wish someone at ZOS actually played this game :-(

What are you saying?!
You can still apply shield stacking.

Its not removed from game, only the duration is limited that is still good for PvE because the bosses are brainless, scripted and you have to just learn their patterns by observing or from other sources like YouTube,Google,etc.

Shield stacking it's useless now, by the time you cast your second shield the first one is almost dismissing and in the end you'd be wasting valuable magicka trying the impossible

Pallio

Solo / PvE content : Please be specific, the grind mobs and normal content that you can roll through with your eyes closed on any kind of goofy build you want to play, or real stuff like VMA and vet. Raids where you have to actually be effective with your build.

Lucky28

ManDraKE wrote: »

A clear L2P issue. Drop a shield, slot a pet, problem solved

slot a pet?. do you even play a sorc?.

Talyena

It isn't just sorcs that use shields. I'm a templar and usually a healer in PvE and I use Harness magicka a lot in certain fights. At six seconds it isn't even worth slotting. It seems every change they make just forces healers to spam heals even more in PvE. But since they are nerfing shield durations, how about nerfing the durations of the dodge buffs to sex seconds as well?

waterfairy

ADarklore wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

You do not need shields to pve dps...
.

You do when you're playing solo.

I don't know about that... on my Magicka Sorc I rarely ever used Hardened Ward... at first I thought it was necessary, but after playing for a while I realized that I actually didn't need it. I think a lot of people are the same, except they are unwilling to accept they don't need it. Try playing without it, you may actually come to the same conclusion, it isn't 'necessary' to complete most soloable content... it is more of a crutch than anything in many cases.

Do you play a light armor sorc? I do and the ward helps for bosses

Cadbury

Talyena wrote: »

It isn't just sorcs that use shields. I'm a templar and usually a healer in PvE and I use Harness magicka a lot in certain fights. At six seconds it isn't even worth slotting. It seems every change they make just forces healers to spam heals even more in PvE. But since they are nerfing shield durations, how about nerfing the durations of the dodge buffs to sex seconds as well?

.....interesting.