[Read OP before voting] Do you want the nerf to the remaining "challenging" dungeons?

Mickey_Ox

No leave it alone #NoMoreNerf.

Ive not completed either but i do like the challenge, ill still get a sense of achievement when i do finish bit it will be a nerfed sense of achievement

AddictionX

Yes i can't complete it or takes me over 1 hour to do them.

I going to choose Yes because its so obviously bias lmao

Loganpierz11ub17_ESO

No leave it alone #NoMoreNerf.

Well Considering me and my friends ran through vICP on our alts the other day carrying a random through who only spammed crystal frags the whole time i would say these dungeons do not need a nerf.

rob_ber

No leave it alone #NoMoreNerf.

Don't want to do Wayrest gold everyday!

#buffICP #buffWGT #buffvCoA

Saturn

No leave it alone #NoMoreNerf.

I hate hashtags, but I agree that Prison and Tower should be left alone. They have normal modes for a reason, if veteran versions are nerfed it would remove the last difficult 4man dungeons from the game (and to be honest they really aren't that difficult anymore since most people know them well now).

It is very similar to Maw of Lorkhaj, where veteran is for people that like a challenge and normal are for people that want to see the story or are unable to beat veteran.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

No leave it alone #NoMoreNerf.

I guess i dont really understand it. If they are that much of a problem just remove them from the undaunted daily. And remove them from the random vet group so you cant random into them.

There should be harder 4 man content for those who want it. And im not some elitest. Ive never finished the 2 newest because the groups always drop when they hit it randomly. Or i sit in queue forever waiting when it is the daily. Heck the other day i spent 1 hour on the final boss of coA with 3 vr2s and a vr16 trying for gold before we gave up. So it isnt like im some great player.

But i also understand there are those that are much better then i am, and they should have 4 man content that is fun for them as well.

Yusuf

We'll have to see the big picture with vet-rank-removal and all.

threefarms

With every patch that's released, ZOS just keeps widening the gap between the master and the noob.

Shadesofkin

No leave it alone #NoMoreNerf.

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

I guess i dont really understand it. If they are that much of a problem just remove them from the undaunted daily. And remove them from the random vet group so you cant random into them.

There should be harder 4 man content for those who want it. And im not some elitest. Ive never finished the 2 newest because the groups always drop when they hit it randomly. Or i sit in queue forever waiting when it is the daily. Heck the other day i spent 1 hour on the final boss of coA with 3 vr2s and a vr16 trying for gold before we gave up. So it isnt like im some great player.

But i also understand there are those that are much better then i am, and they should have 4 man content that is fun for them as well.

I wondered the same thing, VCOA was not part of the Pledge system for quite some time, it would have been very easy to simply exclude the Imperial City Pledges if players felt they were out of the standard pledge runners reach.

These are benchmarks for the average player to know they need to improve, these help people realize they have no business building a medium armored magicka user who claims he can tank but has no taunts, and ZoS employees who have played are awful so they can't be the standard they hold their own content to.

Kas

cut it with the suggestive poll options.
imho nerf it, because it's not challenging content anyway. who thinks so, still has vmsa. let super casual players enjoy it too and not be put off by those dungeons being in the daily rotation.

I completed them first week of IC (also first try, though it took a few hours) and I also spend hundreds of hours getting a SPC with perfect traits. I'm fine with them being nerfed now - players committed enough and groups that play together frequently have had plenty of time with the content. I think VMS can stay for another DLC. Then, hopefully with the addition of something fresh, it can (and will probably) get nerfed as well

The Uninvited

No leave it alone #NoMoreNerf.

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

I guess i dont really understand it. If they are that much of a problem just remove them from the undaunted daily. And remove them from the random vet group so you cant random into them.

Right, but that won't sell the IC DLC.

Frawr

No leave it alone #NoMoreNerf.

The target audience must be one-armed mentally-challenged monkeys.

I'd love to sit in a meeting and hear what demographic they genuinely want to attract.

Even as a 14yr old, I enjoyed games that were hard for me. Either kids these days lack patience or developers THINK that kids lack patience.

NBrookus

They invested x dev hours costing $y, and z players are doing the content. They are not happy with the resulting z in the equation. Hence the "rebalance."

Ra'Shtar

No leave it alone #NoMoreNerf.

NBrookus wrote: »

They invested x dev hours costing $y, and z players are doing the content. They are not happy with the resulting z in the equation. Hence the "rebalance."

Same can be said for vDSA, Sanctum Ophidia, vMA, vMoL, Hel Ra, Aetherian Archive and the whole Imperial City.

Xjcon

emily3989 wrote: »

Xjcon wrote: »

Who said it was a nerf? It's not even in the PTS yet. Maybe it's just a change in the drop rate.

The quote in the OPs post is basically the definition of a nerf.

Yea....the OP edited that in after my post.

Thevampirenight

I think they are nerfing it because they would have to with the changes they are going to make, there will be no vet sixteen anymore, thus they would be nerfing it to be a level fifty thing and not a vet level sixteen thing. I assume they would be hard, because of the changes, in other words by getting rid of the vet levels they basically make it so its harder in the proccess and this could be the reason for the nerf.

idk

No leave it alone #NoMoreNerf.

It is repulsive and disgusting this content is being nerfed. A clear demonstration that Zos and its developers care little of their player base who works to learn the mechanics and strives to improve.

I have found it disappointing that good content gets neefed. DSA and all the early trials have been nerfed and now this announcement related to DB DLC.

The manner and means that accommodates both the vary casual and the more active players at the same time is having a normal and get version as they have done with WGT, IP, MA and the new trial. This is sufficient to provide all access to this content and story line.

potirondb16_ESO

No leave it alone #NoMoreNerf.

But I mean, we also need to consider that they really throw away any progression system through the game pretty quickly.

Exemple: Battle level for evey zone and every new content.... I completed the two world boss of thieve's guild within 10 minutes appart, no real challenge.

That's a bit why people are mostly having opposite opinion about theese nerf, it's because if you do the daily everyday you want to be able to do it everyday. If you recently grind a templar v16 because you heard they were being boost, you want to be able to do the new content with it...

I mean the game created that, and it's not by doing semestrial addition of one zone at the time that Zenimax will actually change Something that would bring back there old crowd. The new approach they have with normal and veteran trial is actually working for me. I like the fact that good movement capacity is back at is rightfull place. Now, they can do some pretty easy stuff to cover the dungeon.

As an example start by giving them tier of progression /

Exemple The dongeon from the first two starting zone are Tier 1, they give a specific kind of set when you beat down there monster which is the same kind of reward for each.

6 Dongeon you can run to get those set.

Tier 2, the next two zone, with now again new dedicated set

Tier 3 the next zone and Vault of Madness which I hoped had a veteran mode !

Tier 4 ICP, CoA, WGT

That way player could know what to expect, but also benefit from where they are atm to improve there gear and also become better at moving and stuff.

It also imply adjustement Inside the lower tier so that their level of difficulty can actuallly match their tier.

sparafucilsarwb17_ESO

I think people are too quickly jumping on their horses, nobody said anything about a nerf yet, lets wait for ZOS to explain what they will be doing before we start picking up our pitch forks.

The Uninvited

No leave it alone #NoMoreNerf.

sparafucilsarwb17_ESO wrote: »

I think people are too quickly jumping on their horses, nobody said anything about a nerf yet, lets wait for ZOS to explain what they will be doing before we start picking up our pitch forks.

Yes they did, have you even read the OP?

lathbury

No leave it alone #NoMoreNerf.

The Uninvited wrote: »

sparafucilsarwb17_ESO wrote: »

I think people are too quickly jumping on their horses, nobody said anything about a nerf yet, lets wait for ZOS to explain what they will be doing before we start picking up our pitch forks.

Yes they did, have you even read the OP?

no reading's for nerds

L2Pissue

Yes i can't complete it or takes me over 1 hour to do them.

if you want challenge shut up and go play with 0 CPs instead of 501
there are other people who wants to play the content

Destruent

No leave it alone #NoMoreNerf.

L2Pissue wrote: »

if you want challenge shut up and go play with 0 CPs instead of 501
there are other people who wants to play the content

Sure. What about the other way around? Shut up and get some CP/gear/l2p. There are people who want to play the content like it has been at release.

lathbury

No leave it alone #NoMoreNerf.

L2Pissue wrote: »

if you want challenge shut up and go play with 0 CPs instead of 501
there are other people who wants to play the content

funny someone saying they cant complete vcoa in under an hour called L2Pissue

bloodenragedb14_ESO

how about a 'meh' option

Khenarthi

Yes i can't complete it or takes me over 1 hour to do them.

I've done all but vICP with random groups using the grouping tool. As long as these dungeons are part of the gold pledge rotation, I think they should be completable by all normal/average players. At the moment, they're unecessarily unforgiving.

I'm ok with super-hard content being there for super-good players, like vMA or Maw of Lorkhaj. But gold pledge should not fall in that category for me.

Just my opinion, yours may differ

Destruent

No leave it alone #NoMoreNerf.

Khenarthi wrote: »

I've done all but vICP with random groups using the grouping tool. As long as these dungeons are part of the gold pledge rotation, I think they should be completable by all normal/average players. At the moment, they're unecessarily unforgiving.

I'm ok with super-hard content being there for super-good players, like vMA or Maw of Lorkhaj. But gold pledge should not fall in that category for me.

Just my opinion, yours may differ

You can do them on normal mode...this should be doable by all groups. if not, they really need to improve their gameplay.

aubrey.baconb16_ESO

Yes i can't complete it or takes me over 1 hour to do them.

Frawr wrote: »

The target audience must be one-armed mentally-challenged monkeys.

I'd love to sit in a meeting and hear what demographic they genuinely want to attract.

Even as a 14yr old, I enjoyed games that were hard for me. Either kids these days lack patience or developers THINK that kids lack patience.

As a two armed mentally proficient human but with the slowing of reflexes plus vision and hearing impairment that comes with old age I'd like to think that the demographic being considered includes me and not just the younger generation. In the UK it's called the grey pound

Casual players may never make Emperor but they rule this game.

lathbury

No leave it alone #NoMoreNerf.

aubrey.baconb16_ESO wrote: »

Frawr wrote: »

The target audience must be one-armed mentally-challenged monkeys.

I'd love to sit in a meeting and hear what demographic they genuinely want to attract.

Even as a 14yr old, I enjoyed games that were hard for me. Either kids these days lack patience or developers THINK that kids lack patience.

As a two armed mentally proficient human but with the slowing of reflexes plus vision and hearing impairment that comes with old age I'd like to think that the demographic being considered includes me and not just the younger generation. In the UK it's called the grey pound

Casual players may never make Emperor but they rule this game.

Im ashamed

Duiwel

I don't care enough to vote OP.