[Read OP before voting] Do you want the nerf to the remaining "challenging" dungeons?

Ra'Shtar

As seen on the discussion thread for the sneak peak of Darkbrotherhood they are planning to nerf the remaining "challenging" (not really it has been nerfed so much its a shell of what it was) 4 man content in the game.

ZOS_Finn wrote: »

Hey Folks,

Regarding White Gold Tower, Imperial City Prison and Veteran City of Ash: We have adjusted their balance down a bit. We hear the feedback and appreciate the passion for this content but, we were not happy with the difficulty to complete these and wanted to ease that burden. Those three dungeons are still not a walk in the park but they shouldn't be quite the roadblock they are now.

Xjcon

Who said it was a nerf? It's not even in the PTS yet. Maybe it's just a change in the drop rate.

Mic1007

Well, all Vet Dungeons will have to change and be rebalanced. You know, seeing as Vet Ranks will no longer exist and all.

ButtersEP

No leave it alone #NoMoreNerf.

Vcoa is already nerfed, first boss dies literally in like 10 seconds if you ignore all adds

Zeg0ta

No leave it alone #NoMoreNerf.

How bout bring it back to how it was. Tanking the overfiend in ICP used to require a beefy tank. Now it's like fighting unicorns and teddy bears.

BlackEar

No leave it alone #NoMoreNerf.

I would have preferred it to remain a roadblock. Roadblocks are good as they are much more fun to overcome and it was the only possible 4man out there.

NewBlacksmurf

Geez please learn how to make an unbiased poll or just create a discussion.
For PuG purposes which is the point, it's good.

We've not tested it on PTS so no other feedback.

Sotha_Sil

It's already a walk in the park so I don't really care

DangerMan

No leave it alone #NoMoreNerf.

How are those difficult dungeons? Me and my guildmates finish Skoria on the second platform.. Ibomez in vICP is the only hard boss I can think of..

Ra'Shtar

No leave it alone #NoMoreNerf.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Geez please learn how to make an unbiased poll or just create a discussion.
For PuG purposes which is the point, it's good.

We've not tested it on PTS so no other feedback.

This dungeons are extremely Pug-able no need to turn them in another Wayrest Sewers like dungeon where you can complete it with just 1 ability in your bars.

Megalex1

Yes i can't complete it or takes me over 1 hour to do them.

I've never done those dungeons because I get kicked from the group when I say it's my first time.

I'm all for the nerf cause it shouldn't exclude me from content

Thank devs!!!

Kwivur

No leave it alone #NoMoreNerf.

We don't know if it's a nerf yet, but no...

Ra'Shtar

No leave it alone #NoMoreNerf.

Kwivur wrote: »

We don't know if it's a nerf yet, but no...

Its a nerf i quoted Finn on the OP....

Tostiee

No leave it alone #NoMoreNerf.

No these dungeons are way to easy anyway.

DangerMan

No leave it alone #NoMoreNerf.

Megalex1 wrote: »

I've never done those dungeons because I get kicked from the group when I say it's my first time.

I'm all for the nerf cause it shouldn't exclude me from content

Thank devs!!!

Find a good guild to play with.. Or go look at youtube tutorial videos before your first try.. Shouldn't expect randoms to carry you through anyways.. I never try on any new content unless I'm running it with someone from my guild. I don't expect someone I don't know to possibly waste his time trying to get me to learn new stuff..

iRogue32

No leave it alone #NoMoreNerf.

The dungeons do not need a nerf. There is very limited PvE content left in this game that is actually a challenge. A nerf to these dungeons will make them a walk in the park like every other 4 man dungeon. At the very least, add a difficulty mode beyond veteran that allows players who still want a challenge an opportunity at it.

NewBlacksmurf

Ra'Shtar wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Geez please learn how to make an unbiased poll or just create a discussion.
For PuG purposes which is the point, it's good.

We've not tested it on PTS so no other feedback.

This dungeons are extremely Pug-able no need to turn them in another Wayrest Sewers like dungeon where you can complete it with just 1 ability in your bars.

Is it really cause on normal I've been in a recent group this week where it literally took over an hour and a half cause the other three had never done it and had to watch vids for each boss fight. I'm talking 5-6 wipes per boss before stopping to watch a vid and all while doing voice chat to try and help explain the fights.

Do-able varies depending on group members so as far as a PUG it can be in-doable. I was the healer and the tank was really good but I've had some days especially on bet where the bosses one shot everyone and I'm running around trying to heal and Rez them but they just aren't ready due to the high dmg output of the NPCs and boss fights.

myrrrorb14_ESO

Yes i can't complete it or takes me over 1 hour to do them.

I want it nerfed so hard I can complete it solo with no gear on!




Or we can wait and see what they are actually changing and not cry nerf preemptively...

tough call

emily3989

Xjcon wrote: »

Who said it was a nerf? It's not even in the PTS yet. Maybe it's just a change in the drop rate.

The quote in the OPs post is basically the definition of a nerf.

Ra'Shtar

No leave it alone #NoMoreNerf.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Ra'Shtar wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Geez please learn how to make an unbiased poll or just create a discussion.
For PuG purposes which is the point, it's good.

We've not tested it on PTS so no other feedback.

This dungeons are extremely Pug-able no need to turn them in another Wayrest Sewers like dungeon where you can complete it with just 1 ability in your bars.

Is it really cause on normal I've been in a recent group this week where it literally took over an hour and a half cause the other three had never done it and had to watch vids for each boss fight. I'm talking 5-6 wipes per boss before stopping to watch a vid and all while doing voice chat to try and help explain the fights.

Do-able varies depending on group members so as far as a PUG it can be in-doable. I was the healer and the tank was really good but I've had some days especially on bet where the bosses one shot everyone and I'm running around trying to heal and Rez them but they just aren't ready due to the high dmg output of the NPCs and boss fights.

How do you wipe on normal? i soloed that thing....

LadyNalcarya

No leave it alone #NoMoreNerf.

This is really sad, there were too many nerfs already.
#NoMoreNerfs

Casuals have a normal version with vr15 drops. For people that cant finish vet version 1 rank wont make much difference, and due to low difficulty they can be farmed much faster.

Taleof2Cities

Biased poll is biased ...

Shadesofkin

No leave it alone #NoMoreNerf.

These dungeons are not hard, but they require you to pay attention, they're unforgiving and they aren't for the casual romp through.

I get their reasoning, I just don't agree.

DocFrost72

The whole idea behind having challenge material is to challenge, right? That's why the first few times you do it are agonizing, but you make it through. The issue is when having just one inexperienced player is punishing. If your tank or healer has never done it before or is new to the dungeon scene, it becomes monstrously hard.

Should they be Wayrest sewers? No. Should they be Crypt of Hearts? I'd be okay with that.

MissBizz

Yes i can't complete it or takes me over 1 hour to do them.

If these weren't included in the pledge rotation, I couldn't care less. (It actually never bothered me enough as is to actually ask for it).

I don't mind knowing there is content that I am unable to complete with my current skill level. That's fine. VMA? One day I'll do it. Is it too hard for me? Currently yes. Do I mind? No, because really good people need stuff to do too!

Although when it's in a daily quest (pledge) and the game very much so supports PUG's doing said content together, I'd like to see it doable for almost all of the player base.

DocFrost72

Ra'Shtar wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Ra'Shtar wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Geez please learn how to make an unbiased poll or just create a discussion.
For PuG purposes which is the point, it's good.

We've not tested it on PTS so no other feedback.

This dungeons are extremely Pug-able no need to turn them in another Wayrest Sewers like dungeon where you can complete it with just 1 ability in your bars.

Is it really cause on normal I've been in a recent group this week where it literally took over an hour and a half cause the other three had never done it and had to watch vids for each boss fight. I'm talking 5-6 wipes per boss before stopping to watch a vid and all while doing voice chat to try and help explain the fights.

Do-able varies depending on group members so as far as a PUG it can be in-doable. I was the healer and the tank was really good but I've had some days especially on bet where the bosses one shot everyone and I'm running around trying to heal and Rez them but they just aren't ready due to the high dmg output of the NPCs and boss fights.

How do you wipe on normal? i soloed that thing....

Your response tells me you either didn't read his post, or didn't catch his message. What he is saying is that dungeon difficulty depends on the players more than the dungeon, and most, MOST players are not "endgame ready" despite expectations or public hope.

Need proof? Cue up for a random dungeon and see if they are as good as a PvE guild.

Praeficere

No leave it alone #NoMoreNerf.

Looks like it's Wayrest Sewers for gold everyday chaps!

dotlife

No leave it alone #NoMoreNerf.

We need content harder than this since the progressing champion points and new gear makes these encounters much more forgiving. Otherwise i guess they could implement rewards of different kinds given to players completing them within minimal championpoint groups. Maybe even not allowing vMA weapon enchants on those runs.

Anti_Virus

No leave it alone #NoMoreNerf.

Don't touch vWgt it's fine as is.

the only nerf needed in vIcp is the fleshsculpture boss that's it.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN

No leave it alone #NoMoreNerf.

I voted to leave it alone but I don't really care either way. Challenging content is always good and fun to complete but it's not fun for everyone.

actosh

No leave it alone #NoMoreNerf.

CP SYS will kill all challenge, cause everytime u get more cp to spent, the easier the dungeons get.
Basicly the cp system is the biggest fail by design.
Would have been better to have another type of progression system.

I guess besides vMol there wont be any challange, just more daylies and more nooby stuff.