Momento's Removed from PVP! :'(

x_t7ink_x

I'm not sure of the exact reason why this happened, however I'm slightly annoyed that one of my tactics for running a PVP group has been removed

Set the scene: You rock up to a keep with your group (half not even in the chat) and another group comes along.. You all put out your siege and low and behold its not even aimed at the same wall.. You feel the frustration.. you get into area chat ''Aim at this one'' - Again people either aren't listening, in PSN chat or you have to run around like a headless chicken to make sure people can hear you in area chat (kind of defeating the object!).

Boom 'Solution' use the blue light that shines upwards next to a wall, all eyes are focused, Trebuchet's start moving in your direction, you see siege hurtling towards you... SUCCESS!!! ... OH wait ... No mementos allowed in PVP.. Why just why?

No Salt, just those in my tears...

Elsir

The only thing I can see being the reason is that some mementos were altered in a way that they can actually affect other players. EG: Almalexia's Lamp. If you're looking at another player when you use it, the lamp light is put on that player instead of yourself. Also works on NPCs. Furthermore, there is another one "Fetish of Anger", which allows you to do 5% more fire damage with your next attack.

Granted, these additional things could just simply not affect other players like the way they used to work but "simple" and ZOS have never met eye-to-eye... Something always goes wrong.

x_t7ink_x

I want my light back it's the only thing I enjoyed in PVP

themdogesbite

x_t7ink_x

I went to click Insightful... but my arm didn't stretch that far

RDMyers65b14_ESO

Also, some people were using the momentos to harass other players which is why the ability to use them in Cyrodil was removed.

Conquistador

themdogesbite wrote: »

LMFAO where do people find these beautiful gems.

Vaoh

No more using Finvir's Trinket light beam to mimick an Elder Scroll now.

It was such a good idea by ZOS to remove these items from our inventories, but there was no reason to remove them from AvA zones.

catalyst10e

We used to use that light to help coordinate. Sometimes we had 2 groups going but everyone was in guild chat. It made it easier for healers to show their position when things were getting bad, or if we had 2 crowns they used them to stay together and keep the group unified. It was useful and I'm sad to see it go.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom

In doing our conversion of items to Mementos, we made the decision to not allow them to be usable in Cyrodiil because of game performance. Each of these items creates a new game object for the server to track, impacting game performance. Once we get Cyrodiil performance back to where it needs to be, we can reevaluate if we want Mementos and Assistants to be usable in Cyrodiil.

x_t7ink_x

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

In doing our conversion of items to Mementos, we made the decision to not allow them to be usable in Cyrodiil because of game performance. Each of these items creates a new game object for the server to track, impacting game performance. Once we get Cyrodiil performance back to where it needs to be, we can reevaluate if we want Mementos and Assistants to be usable in Cyrodiil.

Ok fair point, yes the lag was unbearable! In that case carry on Although it would be nice if one day you could allow one or two to be used again

Niaver

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

...Once we get Cyrodiil performance back to where it needs to be...

Wow, that's a bold statement.

ElderBugOffline

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

In doing our conversion of items to Mementos, we made the decision to not allow them to be usable in Cyrodiil because of game performance. Each of these items creates a new game object for the server to track, impacting game performance. Once we get Cyrodiil performance back to where it needs to be, we can reevaluate if we want Mementos and Assistants to be usable in Cyrodiil.

but mementos still working in the Cyrodiil dungeons, right?

CossackHD

I'm curious if Cyrodill ever was non-lag experience (assuming same player count).

dsalter

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

In doing our conversion of items to Mementos, we made the decision to not allow them to be usable in Cyrodiil because of game performance. Each of these items creates a new game object for the server to track, impacting game performance. Once we get Cyrodiil performance back to where it needs to be, we can reevaluate if we want Mementos and Assistants to be usable in Cyrodiil.

is it possible that dyes on peoples armor could be a factor? if so may want to consider a default "only load group members dyes" in cyrodiil

Jaronking

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

In doing our conversion of items to Mementos, we made the decision to not allow them to be usable in Cyrodiil because of game performance. Each of these items creates a new game object for the server to track, impacting game performance. Once we get Cyrodiil performance back to where it needs to be, we can reevaluate if we want Mementos and Assistants to be usable in Cyrodiil.

Then why make the cake a memotos?Don't you think PVPers would want a XP boost.You guys had to know no one in their right mind would quest to get the bonus.Make it something we can use in PVP we want to level up as well.

Astrotaz

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

In doing our conversion of items to Mementos, we made the decision to not allow them to be usable in Cyrodiil because of game performance. Each of these items creates a new game object for the server to track, impacting game performance. Once we get Cyrodiil performance back to where it needs to be, we can reevaluate if we want Mementos and Assistants to be usable in Cyrodiil.

will it ever be back to the performance you had before you screwed it up by fixing bots?

Vaoh

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

In doing our conversion of items to Mementos, we made the decision to not allow them to be usable in Cyrodiil because of game performance. Each of these items creates a new game object for the server to track, impacting game performance. Once we get Cyrodiil performance back to where it needs to be, we can reevaluate if we want Mementos and Assistants to be usable in Cyrodiil.

Very fair reasoning. No argument to that.

I will say though that I hope you will really back up this statement. Not even kidding, I beg you ZOS to return ESO to the fluid, no lag large scale 200 players on screen vision you once encompassed. Please! Dark Brotherhood will be absolutely massive for ESO, please get it right.

Dubhliam

Jaronking wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

In doing our conversion of items to Mementos, we made the decision to not allow them to be usable in Cyrodiil because of game performance. Each of these items creates a new game object for the server to track, impacting game performance. Once we get Cyrodiil performance back to where it needs to be, we can reevaluate if we want Mementos and Assistants to be usable in Cyrodiil.

Then why make the cake a memotos?Don't you think PVPers would want a XP boost.You guys had to know no one in their right mind would quest to get the bonus.Make it something we can use in PVP we want to level up as well.

You make it sound as if every player that enters Cyrodill somehow gets trapped there.

ComboBreaker88

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

In doing our conversion of items to Mementos, we made the decision to not allow them to be usable in Cyrodiil because of game performance. Each of these items creates a new game object for the server to track, impacting game performance. Once we get Cyrodiil performance back to where it needs to be, we can reevaluate if we want Mementos and Assistants to be usable in Cyrodiil.

Really? So why has the lag never been worse? What you need to do is move the IC to its own seperate server, because it being in cryodil just locks out the PvP population from playing pvp. Servers run very smooth before you (not you specifically obviously) threw a wrench into a perfectly playable pvp area and made it grind to lag beyond a by thing I've ever seen

Enodoc

ComboBreaker88 wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

In doing our conversion of items to Mementos, we made the decision to not allow them to be usable in Cyrodiil because of game performance. Each of these items creates a new game object for the server to track, impacting game performance. Once we get Cyrodiil performance back to where it needs to be, we can reevaluate if we want Mementos and Assistants to be usable in Cyrodiil.

Really? So why has the lag never been worse? What you need to do is move the IC to its own seperate server, because it being in cryodil just locks out the PvP population from playing pvp. Servers run very smooth before you (not you specifically obviously) threw a wrench into a perfectly playable pvp area and made it grind to lag beyond a by thing I've ever seen

Imperial City and Cyrodiil only share a population cap. They are already on separate servers in terms of performance/resources.

Cryptical

Enodoc wrote: »

Imperial City and Cyrodiil only share a population cap. They are already on separate servers in terms of performance/resources.

That's part of a different problem - waiting through a queue then entering a full campaign and there's only 6 of your alliance to try to take back a home keep. Wtf. When the campaign says full then THAT campaign should be actually full, not some mysterious status between that campaign and 2 other completely separate map spaces.

If they aren't going to actually separate the city/sewers from wider cyrodiil then at the very least begin informing us of where the population is located by showing the split between outer cyro and city area.

ComboBreaker88

Enodoc wrote: »

ComboBreaker88 wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

In doing our conversion of items to Mementos, we made the decision to not allow them to be usable in Cyrodiil because of game performance. Each of these items creates a new game object for the server to track, impacting game performance. Once we get Cyrodiil performance back to where it needs to be, we can reevaluate if we want Mementos and Assistants to be usable in Cyrodiil.

Really? So why has the lag never been worse? What you need to do is move the IC to its own seperate server, because it being in cryodil just locks out the PvP population from playing pvp. Servers run very smooth before you (not you specifically obviously) threw a wrench into a perfectly playable pvp area and made it grind to lag beyond a by thing I've ever seen

Imperial City and Cyrodiil only share a population cap. They are already on separate servers in terms of performance/resources.

Equally as useless.

Jaronking

Dubhliam wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

In doing our conversion of items to Mementos, we made the decision to not allow them to be usable in Cyrodiil because of game performance. Each of these items creates a new game object for the server to track, impacting game performance. Once we get Cyrodiil performance back to where it needs to be, we can reevaluate if we want Mementos and Assistants to be usable in Cyrodiil.

Then why make the cake a memotos?Don't you think PVPers would want a XP boost.You guys had to know no one in their right mind would quest to get the bonus.Make it something we can use in PVP we want to level up as well.

You make it sound as if every player that enters Cyrodill somehow gets trapped there.

Its sucks you have to stop grinding leave and then have to run back and deal with the lag that's in PVP.So yea I would rather they made it a consumable so we won't have to leave our grind spot to reapply the both.

Amos

Can't they make a non object light thingy for marking points of interest or something?

There should be a way right

luen79rwb17_ESO

Wow another hit to Cyrodiil! Critters, skill nerfs, now mementos.

Zos says this is a "layer after layer" thing but all I see is hit after hit and performance is still bad. I don't see any improvement after all these changes.

A couple of days ago I came out of lipsand tarn and mobs were just running back and forth instead of attacking me. I assume the server couldnt read my exact location. Funny thing is everything was ok while I was inside the delve.

I just wonder what will be the next hit ermm "layer" for Cyrodiil.

DDemon

Dubhliam wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

In doing our conversion of items to Mementos, we made the decision to not allow them to be usable in Cyrodiil because of game performance. Each of these items creates a new game object for the server to track, impacting game performance. Once we get Cyrodiil performance back to where it needs to be, we can reevaluate if we want Mementos and Assistants to be usable in Cyrodiil.

Then why make the cake a memotos?Don't you think PVPers would want a XP boost.You guys had to know no one in their right mind would quest to get the bonus.Make it something we can use in PVP we want to level up as well.

You make it sound as if every player that enters Cyrodill somehow gets trapped there.

Some of the more busy campaigns have these things called a queue. At peak hours it can take quite awhile to get back in.

AddictionX

But there is a catch....

No ETA

I loved doing that so often i started more and more people doing it

I love the crow one too to feast... like Odin comming

GorraShatan

ComboBreaker88 wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

In doing our conversion of items to Mementos, we made the decision to not allow them to be usable in Cyrodiil because of game performance. Each of these items creates a new game object for the server to track, impacting game performance. Once we get Cyrodiil performance back to where it needs to be, we can reevaluate if we want Mementos and Assistants to be usable in Cyrodiil.

Really? So why has the lag never been worse? What you need to do is move the IC to its own seperate server, because it being in cryodil just locks out the PvP population from playing pvp. Servers run very smooth before you (not you specifically obviously) threw a wrench into a perfectly playable pvp area and made it grind to lag beyond a by thing I've ever seen

If you think the lag has never been worse you clearly weren't PvPing much when 1.5 released.