Vicious death proccing before I die?

a1x23 · April 2016

Me and my bro were dueling trying some new builds out and vicious death shows up on my death recap about half the time when i would die. No one else was around so i know i didnt get hit by someone else. I had one time where i was at about 5% health I cc'd him went to bar swap to my healing ward and I blew up. Is this just lag and a UI error? Or am I actually taking damage from vicious death before i die?

Voxicity · April 2016

I heard this is just a UI error but don't quote me on that

Lettigall · April 2016

I think there's UI error and actual bug. Often mysterious VD appears before killing blow and is clearly seen in combat log.

LorDrek · April 2016

No vd kill mee on other flor, thiss is no bug this is THE ELDER MAGICKA ONLINE.

Universe · April 2016

It is a bug, it can proc early and kill in 1v1.
I hope it will be fixed in the next patch.

Ch4mpTW · April 2016

Lord wrote: »

It is a bug, it can proc early and kill in 1v1.
I hope it will be fixed in the next patch.

Lol. Supposedly it's just a "UI bug". Lmao. All I know is that UI bug has been hurting me quite a bit in duels.

phaneub17_ESO · April 2016

Are you looking at a damage meter addon or the death recap? I wouldn't trust the death recap, a damage meter on damage taken and what inflicted the final blow might be more reliable, that way you can see what actually killed you.

NativeJoe · April 2016

I'm a avid dueler (speaking of which if you do duels or are a member of a active dueling community invite me

@nativejoe ) And I've never seen it proc a death. sure it goes off. but it goes off every time because thats the set bonus. And the person does see it in their log 1-2 attacks before the killing blow. but that is a UI bug. I can take off the VD and still kill them easily in the same amount of time, so at the very least I don't think it' is affecting anything.

a1x23 · April 2016

NativeJoe wrote: »

I'm a avid dueler (speaking of which if you do duels or are a member of a active dueling community invite me @nativejoe ) And I've never seen it proc a death. sure it goes off. but it goes off every time because thats the set bonus. And the person does see it in their log 1-2 attacks before the killing blow. but that is a UI bug. I can take off the VD and still kill them easily in the same amount of time, so at the very least I don't think it' is affecting anything.

I play on console so all i can go by is visual cues and death recap. In those duels i was dead either way, at least more than likely. So it didn't change anything. But I'm just curious if it is actually doing damage to me or not.

NovaShadow · April 2016

The only way we can settle this and prove it's not a UI error is to record duels and get it on video procing before death.

NativeJoe · April 2016

a1x23 wrote: »

NativeJoe wrote: »

I'm a avid dueler (speaking of which if you do duels or are a member of a active dueling community invite me @nativejoe ) And I've never seen it proc a death. sure it goes off. but it goes off every time because thats the set bonus. And the person does see it in their log 1-2 attacks before the killing blow. but that is a UI bug. I can take off the VD and still kill them easily in the same amount of time, so at the very least I don't think it' is affecting anything.

I play on console so all i can go by is visual cues and death recap. In those duels i was dead either way, at least more than likely. So it didn't change anything. But I'm just curious if it is actually doing damage to me or not.

I seriously don't believe in 99% of cases it is procing before death. I just did some tests and used my execute to kill people...and it still recorded on the log as being 1 attack before my execute...even tho visually it occurred after the death.

Do I believe it can proc and kill you before your hp is out? Yes. And the reason I believe that is because of a age old bug with shatter soul (world tree) which would detonate when you got to your unfooded health level, and kill you. So assuming the same code under similar situations ... it *could* happen. You see your health as 21k, the server procs at your unfooded health level of 17k, and poof ur dead. completely plausible...and it has happened before. But like I said it hasn't happened in the times I've tested it. it could be as rare but as prevalent as the bug where you deploy your siege and cannot use it. It happens rarely, but it does happen.

Honestly it could even be that VD isn't whats killing people... it could be that the food buff is not applying! I mean if you haven't noticed the past month or so, the food buff has been a bit buggy, you'll go into a fight with 59 minutes left on your food, only to realize that mid fight, your food buff is miraculously missing.

Mady · April 2016

And another thread....

Crom_CCCXVI · May 2016

100% bug. I was killed by a single hit from siege for about 18k, then V D added another 8. My health was around 23k. All alone, no question

Sharee · May 2016

Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »

100% bug. I was killed by a single hit from siege for about 18k, then V D added another 8. My health was around 23k. All alone, no question

If your health bar shows 18K life left, and you get hit by an 18K siege hit, you will see the VD explosion at the same time as the boulder hits you(that means before you actually die from the boulder, and while your HP bar is still showing 18K), and you will see VD on your recap. But the boulder would have killed you on it's own, VD or not. Otherwise, the VD would not have procced.

If your health bar shows 23K life left, and the above happens anyway (18K hit kills you, with VD on recap) then your health bar was desynced from previous fighting, and you did not really have 23K hp, but 18K or less (a hit you previously received lowered your health on the server, but you client did not update the HP bar you see on your client, so it appeared you are still healthy when you in fact were not). You can see it was a health desync because after you are dead, your HP bar will not show zero HP but some other number like 120 or so.

Every single video evidence i saw so far was one of the above two cases(and neither of them means VD itself is bugged).

Turelus · May 2016

ZOS have said in a video Q&A it's a UI bug.

Can be found on their YouTube channel on the Q&A from PAX. Don't have the link at hand right now.

They seem very confident it's not a bug so... *shrugs*

Ackwalan · May 2016

Everybody knows the VD proc is broke, except for a few people who have come to rely on the VD crutch.

Sharee · May 2016

Ackwalan wrote: »

Everybody knows the VD proc is broke, except for a few people who have come to rely on the VD crutch.

Everybody is way too happy to jump on the hoax bandwagon, without actually doing any testing for themselves.
People who actually did test it know it is just a UI/health desync issue.

Without testing, it is very easy to come up with the wrong conclusion ("i saw the VD explosion on myself while i was still alive! That means it must have been VD that killed me")

TheHsN · May 2016

Vox wrote: »

I heard this is just a UI error but don't quote me on that

No it is not..it is even proved in video... Below %20 health it exlodes like execution..

Sharee · May 2016

TheHsN wrote: »

Vox wrote: »

I heard this is just a UI error but don't quote me on that

No it is not..it is even proved in video... Below %20 health it exlodes like execution..

No it was not proved in video. The video you mean is showing a health desync. Guy dies and still has 130 hp left while dead.

a1x23 · May 2016

This thread is old and i have no clue why people brought it back up *sigh*
My thought is it just a health desync and a UI error. If you guys wanna argue about it any more go argue on one of the countless other threads on the same issue.