The top page of eso streams. All spamming magicka detonation.

Kalante

So yeah great balancing... Even twitch streams are infested by it. PVP was already bad as it is and now i have to deal with these people spamming an ability that hits like an ultimate indefinitely. Totally legit.

imgur.com/rObdiqt

Malmai

ESO streamers are non existent all people left the game already...

Kalante

Malmai wrote: »

ESO streamers are non existent all people left the game already...

That is not what i want to talk about. There is still some streamers anyways. The point i am trying to make and bring attention to is that there is so many people spamming magicka detonation. This is what happens when you make an ability hit like an ultimate. Who thought that this was a good idea??

leepalmer95

Kalante wrote: »

Malmai wrote: »

ESO streamers are non existent all people left the game already...

That is not what i want to talk about. There is still some streamers anyways. The point i am trying to make and bring attention to is that there is so many people spamming magicka detonation. This is what happens when you make an ability hit like an ultimate. Who thought that this was a good idea??

Me when people could run in a 50 man zerg and be indestructible.

Anzriel

Kalante wrote: »

So yeah great balancing... Even twitch streams are infested by it. PVP was already bad as it is and now i have to deal with these people spamming an ability that hits like an ultimate indefinitely. Totally legit.

imgur.com/rObdiqt

Detonation isn't the problem. Neither is vicious death. They're band-aid fixes for the real problem of AoE caps, infinite resources and favoring zergs. Get mad at all the band-aid fixes because they refuse to see the actual issues in pvp. That's why it's so cheesy in pvp now.

Alcast

The game seems to be really healthy. A lot of streamers. kappa (/sarcasm)

Yday there was a dude with 4k viewers paid by Zenimax. They also forbid him to go PvP because they know it is broken. truestory

leepalmer95

Alcast wrote: »

The game seems to be really healthy. A lot of streamers. kappa (/sarcasm)

Yday there was a dude with 4k viewers paid by Zenimax. They also forbid him to go PvP because they know it is broken. truestory

....HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Yolokin_Swagonborn

From Eric Wrobel in the AOE Caps discussion thread.

We want AoE abilities to be useful in PvP. That being said, we don’t want them to be the end all be all - single target abilities should also be useful. The intention of the caps and falloff is that AoE damage will be able to outpace healing in large group battles, but not dominate it.

[Emphasis Added]

So instead, lets just pick one morph of one ability and make that the "end all and be all" that completely dominates endgame PvP.

Instead of a range of class based aoe abilities to use, we all have one option. How does that make things better?

LorDrek

Mag det + VD is new meta in cyro.

AddictionX

Oh and RD zergs, cause anything that can heal its self from 10 percent to 100 hp is weakest class in eso.

Skinzz

95% of my death recaps consist of proxy det, soul tether, radiant destruction at full health and vicious death. So fun.

KatzMainTank

I knew it was gonna happen...tried sayin' it. I guess there's always SMITE & Paragon until Dark Brotherhood. Oh lawd please don't let them fawq that one up too...

Waffennacht

4K viewers... to watch a guy... PvE? Hrm... sounds unlikely to me!

Anyway, can't see how you spam an ability that has an 8 sec clock....

See a lot of players using it, only one doing it well...

What's the problem?

zyk

xskinzcity wrote: »

95% of my death recaps consist of proxy det, soul tether, radiant destruction at full health and vicious death. So fun.

VD has something like a 5M radius. Stop standing so close to teammates. Avoid big red circles. Use magelight/caltrops to avoid getting stealth bombed.

This is a game of counters. Learn to use them.

Proxy-det and vd are unremarkable. What's remarkable is how slow players are to adapt. My god.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

zyk wrote: »

xskinzcity wrote: »

95% of my death recaps consist of proxy det, soul tether, radiant destruction at full health and vicious death. So fun.

VD has something like a 5M radius. Stop standing so close to teammates. Avoid big red circles. Use magelight/caltrops to avoid getting stealth bombed.

This is a game of counters. Learn to use them.

Proxy-det and vd are unremarkable. What's remarkable is how slow players are to adapt. My god.

This guy knows things. There is NOTHING that can't be countered in ESO. Be creative and stop listening to people that say you have to build the FOTM to be good.

Skinzz

zyk wrote: »

xskinzcity wrote: »

95% of my death recaps consist of proxy det, soul tether, radiant destruction at full health and vicious death. So fun.

VD has something like a 5M radius. Stop standing so close to teammates. Avoid big red circles. Use magelight/caltrops to avoid getting stealth bombed.

This is a game of counters. Learn to use them.

Proxy-det and vd are unremarkable. What's remarkable is how slow players are to adapt. My god.

Sometimes its inevitabe and you cant avoid it. I dont need to learn to counter anything because i know them already so your comments dont apply to me.

Enraged_Tiki_Torch

Group Leader: Lee run to the center
Group Leader: Mogress run to the center
Group Leader: Forsight run to the center
Group Leader: Starf run to the center
Group Leader: Isis run to the center

...

Group Leader: Whatever the fudge you do, do not stand next to other people.

zyk

xskinzcity wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

xskinzcity wrote: »

95% of my death recaps consist of proxy det, soul tether, radiant destruction at full health and vicious death. So fun.

VD has something like a 5M radius. Stop standing so close to teammates. Avoid big red circles. Use magelight/caltrops to avoid getting stealth bombed.

This is a game of counters. Learn to use them.

Proxy-det and vd are unremarkable. What's remarkable is how slow players are to adapt. My god.

Sometimes its inevitabe and you cant avoid it. I dont need to learn to counter anything because i know them already so your comments dont apply to me.

Sometimes isn't 95%.

I spent a few days bombing with this set after PVP rewards were fixed and most kills came against players who continued to play as they always have. The good groups adapted quickly.

I don't actually enjoy the proxy det paradigm that has been present in ESO for the past year, but most of the current outrage is all hype. You even hear people complain that vd is the reason they die solo.

All decent groups proxy bombed before 2.3. The main difference now is the scaling change to proxy det enables solo/outnumbered players to make a dent to large groups and sometimes wipe the bad ones. vd, with its limited radius, is only the icing on the cake. I was bombing groups successfully with only the changes to proxy det.

Simply removing proxy det/vd isn't the answer. That has to happen in conjunction with a comprehensive PVP redesign. There is no reason to believe ZOS will put forth the significant effort required to do such a thing.

mdylan2013

Makes a nice change from all the ganking stamina nightblades tbh. I use it as a 'you shouldn't come near me' ability rather than a Zerg buster.

Gamerscape2007

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

xskinzcity wrote: »

95% of my death recaps consist of proxy det, soul tether, radiant destruction at full health and vicious death. So fun.

VD has something like a 5M radius. Stop standing so close to teammates. Avoid big red circles. Use magelight/caltrops to avoid getting stealth bombed.

This is a game of counters. Learn to use them.

Proxy-det and vd are unremarkable. What's remarkable is how slow players are to adapt. My god.

This guy knows things. There is NOTHING that can't be countered in ESO. Be creative and stop listening to people that say you have to build the FOTM to be good.

You guys sound so "intelligent" and "amazing" at pvp. Why don't you go to pvp at prime time and fight someone with proxi. See how far that get you.

Prabooo

interesting... since the proxy det and VD madness I have not died from none of them in Cyrodiil... (And I use no shields btw)

Skinzz

The biggest issue is magicka builds constantly casting proxy det like its a shield or something. Annoying getting chased by 5 players with proxy det.

laksikus

proxy det is weaker than before TG, so if you run solo or in small groups there is no problem.
and its not that ahrd to counter. cc them in the right moment, block when it goes off.

to vicious. its a great new addition. people have to adapt their playstyle or they die. stacking is not a OP thing anymore, now it can be effectivly countered by smaller groups, witch is totally fine to me

tinythinker

People talked about this and they did change it last patch, but then some of us asked for changes such as:

-reducing based damage by 40%
-upping the cap for the bonus for extra targets and also scale up that percent bonus with larger numbers

Basically, not worth if for one target, maybe for 2-3, definitely for 4-10, absolutely for 10+.

AddictionX

^ YES!

leepalmer95

tinythinker wrote: »

People talked about this and they did change it last patch, but then some of us asked for changes such as:

-reducing based damage by 40%
-upping the cap for the bonus for extra targets and also scale up that percent bonus with larger numbers

Basically, not worth if for one target, maybe for 2-3, definitely for 4-10, absolutely for 10+.

I still use it single target, it makes killing the random noobs who have no idea what their doing and that refuse to adapt, so no impen, still run around in a close group etc... quicker.

I mean if they run 0 impen + 18k hp with low resist then i can usually concealed + proxy and they die.

strikeback1247

I was getting sick of my stam NB being only able to gank one guy and oneshot him. That's why I switched him to magicka and now I can gank 15 people and oneshot them These groups are seriously way too predictable. Whenever I see a large enemy group sieging an outpost it's so easy to get them. When the wall gets low, I can already hear the TS leader saying "stack on crown boys, we're going in in 5, 4, 3... *BOOM* All dead. This happened literally 10 minutes ago. Everyone stacked next to the wall to go in and everyone died in 1 sec. 15k+ ap for me :^)

TequilaFire

But now those same 50 people run around in a zerg spamming proxy.
Once again something supposed to help the small group against the large group gets reversed on the small group.

leepalmer95

TequilaFire wrote: »

But now those same 50 people run around in a zerg spamming proxy.
Once again something supposed to help the small group against the large group gets reversed on the small group.

Not really a small group can kill big groups now, they have a chance where as before they didn't.

Waffennacht

strikeback1247 wrote: »

I was getting sick of my stam NB being only able to gank one guy and oneshot him. That's why I switched him to magicka and now I can gank 15 people and oneshot them These groups are seriously way too predictable. Whenever I see a large enemy group sieging an outpost it's so easy to get them. When the wall gets low, I can already hear the TS leader saying "stack on crown boys, we're going in in 5, 4, 3... *BOOM* All dead. This happened literally 10 minutes ago. Everyone stacked next to the wall to go in and everyone died in 1 sec. 15k+ ap for me :^)

Omg, I actually hear them say that...
And then the QQ...
But, they need to start reading some gameplay and min/maing stuff that's available on the forums. I try to get them to do it, but they don't wanna...

Seriously it's a L2P issue.... (usually L2P a sorc! I kid I kid)

mr_wazzabi

Run in groups of 5 or less or pvp solo and you'll get far less vd and proxy deaths.