How to beat a Sorcerer as a Stampler 1v1?

Weesacs

Hi Folks,

Just a quick question to ask if anyone has any tactics on how to defeat a sorcerer as a stampler on 1v1? Im running almost 4k weapon damage however whenever I manage to get through thier sheilds and hurt them they just seem to re-heal and recast their shields - then Its repeat until they eventually kill me off.

Any help with regards to skill set up, gear and/or DPS rotation is greatly appreciated!

Cheers

PS im currently running 5 piece hundings rage and 4 piece night mothers gaze (all legendary), 3 piece agility jewelery

DHale

Just watch Kodi then try to copy that if you can you can kill any sorcerer.

Weesacs

Thanks mate. I just googled him and see he has a view videos up - ill take a look and see how I get on. Thanks again

mertusta

Also @Alcast has pvp action and stamplar videos, like this one

Enraged_Tiki_Torch

Wrecking Blow and Purifying Ritual.

Bow/2Hander bar setups.

Shield Breaker will help a lot but it is very niche. Your gear is fine although 4 piece Moulkodin is better. 3 in this situation.

Bow animation cancelling with Poison Injection/Silver Bolts/Javelin. I like Poison Injection. Wrecking Blow can hit a sorcerer from outside their mines. So circle away from their line of sight, smashing them while the sit in their mines.

Keep Poison Injection up, so as your circling switch to bow. Hit light attack/Poison Injection and then dodge roll, and switch back to 2hander. Vary the direction your moving, I will sometimes dodge roll in the opposite direction I am circling just to throw them off. Tracking you while keeping shields up and hitting you with damage makes it difficult for them. Make them *** struggle cause most people play Sorcs cause it is easy mode.

When they streak away, crit rush back to them an if you got a good chance to kill combo with an Ulti/Executioner. Best scenario is they don't have a shield up and you got them Poisoned, WB into Dawnbreaker will usually get them with 4k Weapon damage. Especially if you get the CC too. If not continue to stay in their face. If they try to drop mines you got a good chance for the kill. Most will try to shield up, keep on them until they drop mines or streak again.

Basically keep the pressure on them but pay attention to your own resources (if you got curse, purify it). If you feel they have a chance to combo on you, use your mobility to get away. Sorc combo is deadly if they get the time to set it up so you always have to keep that in mind and not get tunnel vision because your doing good damage. If you have curse, and they have proxy active and you see them proc crystal: It's a DEFCON 1 situation. I have run believe it or not, Remembrance for these situations. Knowing the damage they can apply, this is actually a very good ultimate for a Stamplar. It will save your ass!!

Mag Sorcs are tough for anyone, but like anything now: it's who can setup and pull off their combo first. So patience and timing. Good Luck.

Weesacs

Thanks for the additional feedback folks. Ive had a look at the videos and it seems 2H / Bow is a good combination therefore ill give this set up a try.

@Enraged_Tiki_Torch im on PS4 mate therefore dont have access to curse but ill take your suggestions on board especially the part about their mines as I kept rushing into them (I didnt realise WB reaches them from outside their radius - thats good to know ).

Thanks again.

leepalmer95

Weesacs wrote: »

Thanks for the additional feedback folks. Ive had a look at the videos and it seems 2H / Bow is a good combination therefore ill give this set up a try.

@Enraged_Tiki_Torch im on PS4 mate therefore dont have access to curse but ill take your suggestions on board especially the part about their mines as I kept rushing into them (I didnt realise WB reaches them from outside their radius - thats good to know ).

Thanks again.

By curse he means the sorc curse, e.g. When your go a purple mist around you it will explode after 3.5s, you can purge it away with purifying ritual.

Also use stampede not wb, giving them a 60% snare after a gap closer makes them an easy target for wb/jabs.

Takes-No-Prisoner

Enraged_Tiki_Torch wrote: »

Basically keep the pressure on them but pay attention to your own resources (if you got curse, purify it).

^^^ This is basically the jist of the whole fight. Another thing I see when people come posting about fighting Sorcs is the most common thing they ask about is how to deal with their shield. First off, I don't worry about the shield. I'm a MagTemplar so I know how the fight works from the magic side of the fence. I digress though-- About the shield. Ignore it. It's just a shield and keeps them from getting 1-2 shotted. The focus needs to be the red meter inside the purple. Their health, as long as that is getting struck seeing the shield should not discourage you, just keeping your focus and rotation going will hurt the Sorc.

You will run into situations where a Sorc puts himself into a hole to turtle up with mines. You can block and walk through the mine field he puts down. Don't dodge roll through it as the mines will still hit and root you where ever the rolls end. Blocking is safer and decreases the incoming magic damage and protects your stamina resources. Just don't hold it too long, but long enough you can break his mines and make yourself a threat again. You can also use your Explosive charge to go through the mines too--but you also still take damage and are rooted so choose these options wisely. But never give him a chance to have any wiggle room. Sorc's biggest weakness is a close range "Get off me!!" move like Mass Hysteria. Keep this in mind when you keep getting into his face. He won't like it.

raasdal

As a magicka sorc myself, i can tell you how to beat any mag sorc 1v1;

Drain his stamina. The end.

Yes, you need your proper rotation etc. But against an even skilled opponent, you will loose that way. On my Magsorc 70% of my deaths are due to out of stamina. 20% zerg and then about 10% to people bursting me down, which means i made a mistake on my shields uptime or something else.

Your primary focus needs to be CC. On my magblade i mass murder sorcs. Even the shieldstacking ones. This is becausr my primary focus is not damage. It is to CC him every 5 seconds on the clock. And then perma immobilize to force a dodge roll. If you can get the sorc to break about 3 CCs and make one dodgeroll, he will be out of stam on the next CC.

Alcast

I use a axe to get him to bleed which usually kills them.

Make sure to cleanse curse
Make sure to cleanse Inevitable Det (it still goes off but at least he can not combo you with it)
Wait till he uses his Ulti
CC him with Javelin as long as you just stale the fight+keep Poison injection up
Keep Vigor up 100% as long as you are "kiting/avoiding dmg"

Once you see an opportunity Wblow+Heavy Attack
If he tries to bolt crit charge/stampede keep Wblow+HA pressure up
Then at some point when he is knocked down Dawnbreaker after a Wblow or HA.

Usually I get him to half HP on first knock up..then have to wait a bit more till CC runs out and after the 2nd knock up from Wblow I get them.

Check out this video, i explain there how I fight the sorc as stamplar: https://youtu.be/hgOiDNAhKiA?t=29m14s


Usually Sorcs try to Curse+Crystalfrag + Proxy +Dawnbreaker
or Curse + Inevitable Det + Crystalfrag

For their combos. So make sure not to get hit in face with all of those and you are fine.

aLi3nZ

You don't. You die within less then 1 second because of this

WillhelmBlack

Shield Breaker, Eclipse, Purify, stamina regeneration, WB, ulti/cc/execute combo.

contact.opiumb16_ESO

aLi3nZ wrote: »

You don't. You die within less then 1 second because of this

lol !

LBxFinalDeath

That one orb ability Templar has that reflects all magic damage back at the caster doesn't give CC immunity anymore and can be spammed....so spam that at the Sorc?

He'll run outta stam before you run outta resources.

Then wrecking blow him down and bag him.

You must then drink deeply his tears as he bows before the Stamplar protecting his house.

Radiant oppression in there somewhere too also.

EsoRecon

Weesacs wrote: »

Hi Folks,

Just a quick question to ask if anyone has any tactics on how to defeat a sorcerer as a stampler on 1v1? Im running almost 4k weapon damage however whenever I manage to get through thier sheilds and hurt them they just seem to re-heal and recast their shields - then Its repeat until they eventually kill me off.

Any help with regards to skill set up, gear and/or DPS rotation is greatly appreciated!

Cheers

PS im currently running 5 piece hundings rage and 4 piece night mothers gaze (all legendary), 3 piece agility jewelery

Reroll another class.

Weesacs

Thanks for the feedback everyone - some great advice here and loads for me to try out. @Alcast - loved the video mate. I notice on PC that the curse debuff they put on u is apparent due to the debuff icon - does anyone know if there is the ability to see what buffs/debuffs r on u on screen for the PS4 without going into the character screen? I can't seem to see an option for this

Ashamray

raasdal wrote: »

As a magicka sorc myself, i can tell you how to beat any mag sorc 1v1;

Drain his stamina. The end.

I have bad news for u. Every single player who wants to survive in duels makes an endless sustain. Current meta is about accurate burst damage.

Dread_Guy

Sword and Board - Defensive Stance

raasdal

Ashamray wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

As a magicka sorc myself, i can tell you how to beat any mag sorc 1v1;

Drain his stamina. The end.

I have bad news for u. Every single player who wants to survive in duels makes an endless sustain. Current meta is about accurate burst damage.

Correct me if you believe i am wrong, but i have to date not seen anyone with a build that could infinetely sustain both resources and still do damage. Even with CP cap, you cannot do all three. Hence why everyone has a pool with bad sustain. If you have 2k sustain on both pools, you will not have enough damage.

So i will still claim that the best way to beat any magicka build, is to drain their stam.

RebornV3x

Most people just spam Wreaking Blow that will sadly kill most Sorcs unless he's really good.

Lexxypwns

All the people in this thread telling you to reroll are probably just bad/salty.

In the TG meta stamplar is the best stam class, probably the 4th best class overall. While you're at a slight mathematical disadvantage against a sorc, because they have the ability to set up their burst to go off all at once (det, meteor, curse, wrath, frags). However, as a stamplar you have access to good CC abilities that can hit them from outside of their mines(wrecking blow, javelin), purify (hard counters curse), pretty solid burst in your own right, and access to s/b reflect without hurting your own stam pool. You just have to attack the stam pool while keeping DPS pressure up and avoiding their burst(through purify, dodge, block). The sorcs that are really going to give you the most trouble are running 2pc engine guardian, since this is the only set in the game that puts direct pressure on you to counter it or lose the fight.

Just attack their stam pool and make sure you reserve your burst for when they can't immediately CC break

FriedEggSandwich

The stamplars I've had trouble with have used defensive stance, but absorb magic would probably work quite well too. Not sure how viable it is for a stamplar to use purifying ritual but that's effective against sorcs, although less so now that frags can't be "purged". Aside from that just go for their stamina pool.

Ashamray

raasdal wrote: »

Ashamray wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

As a magicka sorc myself, i can tell you how to beat any mag sorc 1v1;

Drain his stamina. The end.

I have bad news for u. Every single player who wants to survive in duels makes an endless sustain. Current meta is about accurate burst damage.

Correct me if you believe i am wrong, but i have to date not seen anyone with a build that could infinetely sustain both resources and still do damage. Even with CP cap, you cannot do all three. Hence why everyone has a pool with bad sustain. If you have 2k sustain on both pools, you will not have enough damage.

So i will still claim that the best way to beat any magicka build, is to drain their stam.

well, attempt to dry opponent's stamina is good. But u can be very sustainable and deal high damage too. Did you notice how long duels between good players are? Sometimes they are simply endless.

Lexxypwns

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

The stamplars I've had trouble with have used defensive stance, but absorb magic would probably work quite well too. Not sure how viable it is for a stamplar to use purifying ritual but that's effective against sorcs, although less so now that frags can't be "purged". Aside from that just go for their stamina pool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRGOA6Mbr4M

stamplar should definitely be using purifying ritual

absorb magic is ok, but you don't need the heals and the extra burst from reflecting + the gauranteed CC is great

AfkNinja

Lexxypwns wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

The stamplars I've had trouble with have used defensive stance, but absorb magic would probably work quite well too. Not sure how viable it is for a stamplar to use purifying ritual but that's effective against sorcs, although less so now that frags can't be "purged". Aside from that just go for their stamina pool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRGOA6Mbr4M

stamplar should definitely be using purifying ritual

absorb magic is ok, but you don't need the heals (unless you don't have vigor yet) and the extra burst from reflecting + the gauranteed CC is great

FTFY

Great video btw. Is that healing ritual on your 2hand bar?

Sharee

raasdal wrote: »

As a magicka sorc myself, i can tell you how to beat any mag sorc 1v1;

Drain his stamina. The end.

A sorcerer who uses his stamina only for CC breaking is impossible to drain of stamina. He will regenerate all the stamina he used for the CC break before the immunity from the first CC break expires. The math: (credit @hrothbern )

As Vet 16 you have 514 base Stamina Recovery.
You get 20% increase from the passive Daedric Protection and 20% from your potion.
This 40% adds up to 203 additional Stamina Recovery for a total of 717 Stamina Recovery (per 2 seconds)
So you gain 358 Stamina per second from Stamina Recovery.
You also get from your potion every 45 seconds the 7582 Stamina.
So you get 7582 / 45 = 170 Stamina per second.
Now the total Stamina you get is 358 + 170 = 528 Stamina per second.

As Vet 16 the costs of Break Free are 4140 Stamina.
The immunity lasts 8 second.
So the costs of Break Free are 4140 / 8 = 518 Stamina per second

Conclusion: Your costs (518/s) are lower than your gain (528/s) and you can Break Free every 8 seconds without resource issues.

KoreanAwtamatic

Lexxypwns wrote: »

All the people in this thread telling you to reroll are probably just bad/salty.

In the TG meta stamplar is the best stam class, probably the 4th best class overall. While you're at a slight mathematical disadvantage against a sorc, because they have the ability to set up their burst to go off all at once (det, meteor, curse, wrath, frags). However, as a stamplar you have access to good CC abilities that can hit them from outside of their mines(wrecking blow, javelin), purify (hard counters curse), pretty solid burst in your own right, and access to s/b reflect without hurting your own stam pool. You just have to attack the stam pool while keeping DPS pressure up and avoiding their burst(through purify, dodge, block). The sorcs that are really going to give you the most trouble are running 2pc engine guardian, since this is the only set in the game that puts direct pressure on you to counter it or lose the fight.

Just attack their stam pool and make sure you reserve your burst for when they can't immediately CC break

Bash the engine guardian as well

AfkNinja

Sharee wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

As a magicka sorc myself, i can tell you how to beat any mag sorc 1v1;

Drain his stamina. The end.

A sorcerer who uses his stamina only for CC breaking is impossible to drain of stamina. He will regenerate all the stamina he used for the CC break before the immunity from the first CC break expires. The math: (credit @hrothbern )

As Vet 16 you have 514 base Stamina Recovery.
You get 20% increase from the passive Daedric Protection and 20% from your potion.
This 40% adds up to 203 additional Stamina Recovery for a total of 717 Stamina Recovery (per 2 seconds)
So you gain 358 Stamina per second from Stamina Recovery.
You also get from your potion every 45 seconds the 7582 Stamina.
So you get 7582 / 45 = 170 Stamina per second.
Now the total Stamina you get is 358 + 170 = 528 Stamina per second.

As Vet 16 the costs of Break Free are 4140 Stamina.
The immunity lasts 8 second.
So the costs of Break Free are 4140 / 8 = 518 Stamina per second

Conclusion: Your costs (518/s) are lower than your gain (528/s) and you can Break Free every 8 seconds without resource issues.

They also need to block and dodge-roll to break snares soo....

Sharee

AfkNinja wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

As a magicka sorc myself, i can tell you how to beat any mag sorc 1v1;

Drain his stamina. The end.

A sorcerer who uses his stamina only for CC breaking is impossible to drain of stamina. He will regenerate all the stamina he used for the CC break before the immunity from the first CC break expires. The math: (credit @hrothbern )

As Vet 16 you have 514 base Stamina Recovery.
You get 20% increase from the passive Daedric Protection and 20% from your potion.
This 40% adds up to 203 additional Stamina Recovery for a total of 717 Stamina Recovery (per 2 seconds)
So you gain 358 Stamina per second from Stamina Recovery.
You also get from your potion every 45 seconds the 7582 Stamina.
So you get 7582 / 45 = 170 Stamina per second.
Now the total Stamina you get is 358 + 170 = 528 Stamina per second.

As Vet 16 the costs of Break Free are 4140 Stamina.
The immunity lasts 8 second.
So the costs of Break Free are 4140 / 8 = 518 Stamina per second

Conclusion: Your costs (518/s) are lower than your gain (528/s) and you can Break Free every 8 seconds without resource issues.

They also need to block and dodge-roll to break snares soo....

Why block when you have a shield that takes the same damage regardless of whether you block or not. The only effect blocking under a shield has is to stop CC - but then that's what the CC break is for. You will lose less stamina CC breaking once every 8 seconds than continually blocking for 8 seconds so you dont get CCed.

And as for roots - a sorc can bolt escape even while rooted.

olsborg

Personally I use shieldbreaker, sure most of the time it aint needed, but atleast you dont have to fight for longer then you have to due to shieldspam/stack.

Francescolg

Sharee wrote: »

And as for roots - a sorc can bolt escape even while rooted.

correct! Any sorc who rolls out of soft CC ain't no good sorc