FYI Zenimax. old sets not scaling to max level is lore and consistency breaking.

dsalter

quite a large and bold statement no?

what if i told you Oblivion and Skyrim had scaling quest and drops

this means that items and sets should be scaling to max for emmershiuns sake!

starkerealm

You sir, may have a cookie... or fishy stick, whichever arrives first.

dsalter

starkerealm wrote: »

You sir, may have a cookie... or fishy stick, whichever arrives first.

i'll take teh fishy stick, loved that guy back in the morrowind forums

starkerealm

dsalter wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

You sir, may have a cookie... or fishy stick, whichever arrives first.

i'll take teh fishy stick, loved that guy back in the morrowind forums

Xendyn found him earlier...

Xendyn wrote: »

dsalter

starkerealm wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

You sir, may have a cookie... or fishy stick, whichever arrives first.

i'll take teh fishy stick, loved that guy back in the morrowind forums

Xendyn found him earlier...

Xendyn wrote: »

wish he was still around welcoming new forum members... man my age is showing, still remember grumpy one of the best modders for morrowind, he created the script for pulling followers back to you if to far away

starkerealm

dsalter wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

You sir, may have a cookie... or fishy stick, whichever arrives first.

i'll take teh fishy stick, loved that guy back in the morrowind forums

Xendyn found him earlier...

Xendyn wrote: »

wish he was still around welcoming new forum members... man my age is showing, still remember grumpy one of the best modders for morrowind, he created the script for pulling followers back to you if to far away

The thing I can't forget was Pizzasargood's avatar of the dancing Ordinator.

dsalter

starkerealm wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

You sir, may have a cookie... or fishy stick, whichever arrives first.

i'll take teh fishy stick, loved that guy back in the morrowind forums

Xendyn found him earlier...

Xendyn wrote: »

wish he was still around welcoming new forum members... man my age is showing, still remember grumpy one of the best modders for morrowind, he created the script for pulling followers back to you if to far away

The thing I can't forget was Pizzasargood's avatar of the dancing Ordinator.

fargoth would put a ring on it... if he could find it

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Having such control over what sets we can use, where we can get them and in what levels they drop must feel so empowering for the dev team.

The game would have so much more gear and build diversity if they just let go and let us theorycraft but I don't think they can.

The economy would benefit, i would be much more motivated to log in if some of my favorite sets made it back to max level.

Ever since they stealth nerfed the warlock rings in Aetherian Archive back in the day they REFUSED to explain why or even talk about it there has been a feeling that they LOVE having tight, arbitrary and irrational control over the itemization in this game.

They are more obsessed with controlling rings than Sauron.

dodgehopper_ESO

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Having such control over what sets we can use, where we can get them and in what levels they drop must feel so empowering for the dev team.

The game would have so much more gear and build diversity if they just let go and let us theorycraft but I don't think they can.

The economy would benefit, i would be much more motivated to log in if some of my favorite sets made it back to max level.

Ever since they stealth nerfed the warlock rings in Aetherian Archive back in the day they REFUSED to explain why or even talk about it there has been a feeling that they LOVE having tight, arbitrary and irrational control over the itemization in this game.

They are more obsessed with controlling rings than Sauron.

Every MMO seems to do this too, and this doesn't change the validity of your argument.

dsalter

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Having such control over what sets we can use, where we can get them and in what levels they drop must feel so empowering for the dev team.

The game would have so much more gear and build diversity if they just let go and let us theorycraft but I don't think they can.

The economy would benefit, i would be much more motivated to log in if some of my favorite sets made it back to max level.

Ever since they stealth nerfed the warlock rings in Aetherian Archive back in the day they REFUSED to explain why or even talk about it there has been a feeling that they LOVE having tight, arbitrary and irrational control over the itemization in this game.

They are more obsessed with controlling rings than Sauron.

Every MMO seems to do this too, and this doesn't change the validity of your argument.

but most MMO's dont have content or dungeons that scale to your level.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Having such control over what sets we can use, where we can get them and in what levels they drop must feel so empowering for the dev team.

The game would have so much more gear and build diversity if they just let go and let us theorycraft but I don't think they can.

The economy would benefit, i would be much more motivated to log in if some of my favorite sets made it back to max level.

Ever since they stealth nerfed the warlock rings in Aetherian Archive back in the day they REFUSED to explain why or even talk about it there has been a feeling that they LOVE having tight, arbitrary and irrational control over the itemization in this game.

They are more obsessed with controlling rings than Sauron.

Every MMO seems to do this too, and this doesn't change the validity of your argument.

Well if you ask Freud, it develops in early childhood driven by a need to exert control over certain bodily functions. These children later grow up to be MMO developers.

olsborg

Agreed, theres but a handful of sets to choose from if you remotely care about min/max and are v16...fubar!

Tonnopesce

Why everyone want the warlock?
Is not the best set ever.

And btw if you are not vr 15, evry set that you use ( even the warlock vr 1 or less ) will scale to vr 15 inside Cyrodiil, Wrothgar,Hew's Bane and in dungeons to vr 16.

wrathofrraath

Rip burning spellweave

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

Why everyone want the warlock?
Is not the best set ever.

And btw if you are not vr 15, evry set that you use ( even the warlock vr 1 or less ) will scale to vr 15 inside Cyrodiil, Wrothgar,Hew's Bane and in dungeons to vr 16.

Warlock is a great set of they had a stamina set that matched people would call for all the nerfs. Warlock lacks spell damage but the power to fight for nearly ever.

Lolssi

dsalter wrote: »

quite a large and bold statement no?

what if i told you Oblivion and Skyrim had scaling quest and drops

this means that items and sets should be scaling to max for emmershiuns sake!

It was so horrible in Oblivion that I had to mod it to be able to enjoy the game. Wasn't so bad in Skyrim but nothing could save that game.

rfennell_ESO

I spent some time wondering what would happen to a lot of these vr12 and vr14 sets when they got rid of VR. By spent time wondering I mean send them all to an alt to hold onto in case they suddenly became worthwhile. That was until I ran out of bank space and filled my other alt and had to clear out inventory to store more stuff that's currently relevant and sold it all.

Egonieser

It's rather simple really. They want us to buy the DLC to have access to best FoTM gear. Scaling and maintaining old content, including gear sets does not entice people to part with their cash for DLC to get the new gear. Sure they can still buy it, but not all of it since some of them are BoP such as orsinium sets and they are quite good for several builds.
Same for IC sets and motifs and many other things, it's just common MMO business move.

When the game comes to it's end, maybe then the last ditch effort will be made to re-do all the old content so they can get the last influx of players in. (I remember LoTRO doing it back when they fked up the end-game and meta - they fully revamped all standard zones and rewards to bring in fresh blood because majority of old schoolers had already left in disgust)

idk

I wouldn't say gear and zones not scaling to level (aka keep increasing their level to ours) is breaking lore. These are merely part of the mechanics of previous TES games. Lore is a complete different aspect of the game and only applies to historical context. The history of the Khajiit is lore

Oh, and this has nothing to do with emersion

dsalter

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

I wouldn't say gear and zones not scaling to level (aka keep increasing their level to ours) is breaking lore. These are merely part of the mechanics of previous TES games. Lore is a complete different aspect of the game and only applies to historical context. The history of the Khajiit is lore

Oh, and this has nothing to do with emersion

ehem... this was kind of sarcasm on my part, lighten the mood, make the topic more humorous, but it does indeed lose consistency with other ES games since they had scaling items built into the game

Silver_Strider

WTB VR16 Akaviri Dragonguard.
Humor aside, I really want all sets to be scaled up to VR16, or the equivalent of it whenever Vet ranks are removed.
There are some really good sets that just drop off the map because they don't scale up.
I'm tired of constantly having to wear the same handful of sets at end game just because there is nothing better to replace them with.

Dagoth_Rac

FYI, old sets scaling to max level is business and revenue breaking.

No one would buy the DLC if you had a huge selection of max level gear in base game. If it was only about "fun", no one would care if the old gear is V14. But obviously people do care. Because this request comes up over and over and over again. You want those sets to be VR16 so you can get the extra stats and power of VR16 versus VR14.

Extra stats and power is the carrot at the end of the stick that makes people buy the DLC. Extra stats and power is generally the only carrot that works in an MMO. This is not Skyrim where a team works on it for a set period of time, box sales completely cover development costs, there is no competitive element to game that makes stats of critical importance, and everyone involved in development moves on to something else almost immediately upon release. An MMO has constant, ongoing expenses. Those costs need to be covered somehow.

And DLC purchases are the most fair way to accomplish that. Right now, everyone can pay $25 or so every 3 months for the opportunity to play their way through new content and earn more stats and power. Yes, it costs money, but it is a reasonable and confined amount.

If they do not use the incentive of more stats and power to funnel people into DLC and make money that way, the alternatives for making money will be far less attractive. They will start selling super powerful gear in crown shop or something like that. It will go completely Pay 2 Win. You will have 99% of player base putting together a great gear set from base game, never giving ZOS another penny, and ZOS will have to depend on that other 1% of player base to make money. And that is where you get into catering to "whales" who will spend hundreds or thousands of dollars per month to buy all kinds of crazy power-ups.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

FYI, old sets scaling to max level is business and revenue breaking.

No one would buy the DLC if you had a huge selection of max level gear in base game. If it was only about "fun", no one would care if the old gear is V14. But obviously people do care. Because this request comes up over and over and over again. You want those sets to be VR16 so you can get the extra stats and power of VR16 versus VR14.

Extra stats and power is the carrot at the end of the stick that makes people buy the DLC. Extra stats and power is generally the only carrot that works in an MMO. This is not Skyrim where a team works on it for a set period of time, box sales completely cover development costs, there is no competitive element to game that makes stats of critical importance, and everyone involved in development moves on to something else almost immediately upon release. An MMO has constant, ongoing expenses. Those costs need to be covered somehow.

And DLC purchases are the most fair way to accomplish that. Right now, everyone can pay $25 or so every 3 months for the opportunity to play their way through new content and earn more stats and power. Yes, it costs money, but it is a reasonable and confined amount.

If they do not use the incentive of more stats and power to funnel people into DLC and make money that way, the alternatives for making money will be far less attractive. They will start selling super powerful gear in crown shop or something like that. It will go completely Pay 2 Win. You will have 99% of player base putting together a great gear set from base game, never giving ZOS another penny, and ZOS will have to depend on that other 1% of player base to make money. And that is where you get into catering to "whales" who will spend hundreds or thousands of dollars per month to buy all kinds of crazy power-ups.

FYI, not having gear diversity is enjoyment breaking. I'm sorry that the only way you think ZOS has to make money is to limit our enjoyment and then make us pay to get back something we have already earned. Sounds like a terrible business model. But its just one model. There are other ways I am sure.

starkerealm

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Having such control over what sets we can use, where we can get them and in what levels they drop must feel so empowering for the dev team.

The game would have so much more gear and build diversity if they just let go and let us theorycraft but I don't think they can.

The economy would benefit, i would be much more motivated to log in if some of my favorite sets made it back to max level.

Ever since they stealth nerfed the warlock rings in Aetherian Archive back in the day they REFUSED to explain why or even talk about it there has been a feeling that they LOVE having tight, arbitrary and irrational control over the itemization in this game.

They are more obsessed with controlling rings than Sauron.

Every MMO seems to do this too, and this doesn't change the validity of your argument.

Well if you ask Freud, it develops in early childhood driven by a need to exert control over certain bodily functions. These children later grow up to be MMO developers.

Great, thanks for making me realize there's probably a (Freudian) reason you can't see your characters' equipped rings.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

starkerealm wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Having such control over what sets we can use, where we can get them and in what levels they drop must feel so empowering for the dev team.

The game would have so much more gear and build diversity if they just let go and let us theorycraft but I don't think they can.

The economy would benefit, i would be much more motivated to log in if some of my favorite sets made it back to max level.

Ever since they stealth nerfed the warlock rings in Aetherian Archive back in the day they REFUSED to explain why or even talk about it there has been a feeling that they LOVE having tight, arbitrary and irrational control over the itemization in this game.

They are more obsessed with controlling rings than Sauron.

Every MMO seems to do this too, and this doesn't change the validity of your argument.

Well if you ask Freud, it develops in early childhood driven by a need to exert control over certain bodily functions. These children later grow up to be MMO developers.

Great, thanks for making me realize there's probably a (Freudian) reason you can't see your characters' equipped rings.

Maybe people in the eso universe just don't wear rings on their fingers