Formula for ESO to Become the Best MMO after WOW

AlnilamE

Uviryth wrote: »

1. - 100. ) FRIGGIN nameplates goddammit.....

If ESO wants to be taken serious as an mmo they need to fix the problem that other players are just backgroundnoise with a blue bar atop their head instead of actual human players. First thing to achieve that is actual nameplates atop our heads, including title and a chosen guild.

This is very funny to me. I just started playing BDO and the fact that everybody has namplates by default made for a very cluttered UI. When I discovered I could turn them off for everybody who is not a guildie or a party member, I found the game felt so much better.

I turn it on every once in a while for about 5 minutes, and then I turn it off again. I find it really distracting, particularly since they have 4 lines (Guild, Title, Family name and Character name)

Florial

laced wrote: »

People seem to be ignoring mini games and events. One of the things that WoW did right is that they had some really nice mini games and events that changed through out the year. SWTOR ignored this and suffered, and this game has so far ignored it and suffered. There is more to a game than just pvp, dungeons and questing.

There are more than enough lore friendly holidays to add some events to the game. Have events where draugr or undead attack cities, where bands of ogres raid towns, where daedric princes spread havoc. We NEED these things to lighten the mood and switch things up, as of now its quest, pvp or bust, which can and does get tedious.

Exactly my feelings too! WoW and other MMOs have done this part of things really well. I love how WoW has a calendar that is filled with fun stuff to do. My friend has played WoW almost since launch and since Darkmoon Faire started, has done this event every single blasted month. I like how they keep adding to this, make it fun. For collectors of costumes, pets, achievements, things like this are a big hit. The same with holiday events. I would look forward to each event to see that achievements I was working towards. Fun, fun, fun. Blizzard in my opinion has mastered the art of fun for players of all different play styles.

To take it even further, I love what WoW did with pet battles, fishing, archeology, treasure maps, etc, etc, etc. There is always something to work towards and I found loads of stuff to do outside of combat. Other games have been successful in this regard. Some things off the top of my head---LoTRO: the beautiful music system, EQ2: the shinies, housing, etc. When an MMO has only pvp, dungeons and questing, it can get dull.

I think that ESO could really add some stuff that makes the world even more engaging and I hope they do this at some point.

Sausage

Learn from Conan Exiles and make it big. Somekind of sandboxsy Adventure Zone would be great, one could build up entire zone of stuff.

Lotheimas

Arenas and bgs would kill cyrodill!
What we need it a raid progression sistem, what keeps people playing wow are their friends and raid progression.

kevlarto_ESO

fixing bugs, exploits, lag, and adding more content beyond a dlc that lasts maybe a couple of days, would go along way in this game, and fixing things I mean in a timely manner not waiting for the next big update, I know things take time to code, but other companies can get fixes out a lot faster.

Sausage

Lotheimas wrote: »

Arenas and bgs would kill cyrodill!
What we need it a raid progression sistem, what keeps people playing wow are their friends and raid progression.

Rift tried just a few year ago with Raid and raid progression and let my say it didnt exactly take off. I'd stick with Innovation this time. Rift had balanced Arena PVP too and same story, people didnt care a damn.

Miwerton

Faulgor wrote: »

Go #FullCommunist and remove classes.

Good one, but adding in a good meritocracy would also be good since it also takes in that races/ethnicity doesnt matter.

Just had interject that little thing.

Miwerton

At this point there is only to hope they are not allowed to touch a fallout online game.
I would rather have the mod community doing something with than zos, as there is usually much more honesty with them, and overall better performance from them.

OmniDo

The problem that ails players is not the Game, or its theme, or effects, or lag, or community.
The problem is the same problem that ALL games have: Theyre Static.

To fix this, a new generation of MMO/RPG needs to be successfully designed and implemented.
One which uses dynamic, independent, algorithmic, and persistent content.
There exists no such game...yet.

Im talking about a game where nothing is static except the setting.
Everything else; world topography, structure layout, NPC's, "Ultimate Baddies", etc... are all capable of being completely changed and/or eliminated via player actions.

Because of the logistic scope of such a game, developers have not tackled the challenge yet.
But once this becomes feasible, we will see truly dynamic virtual environments that only retain their persistent "theme", i.e Tamriel, its races, history, layout, etc...not "Oblivion", or "Skyrim", or "ESO".
These are all static things with static environments.

Dynamic Environments are what players really want, with emphasis on a static system and a static theme.
Alas, such a world has not been designed yet, and is probably another 5-10 years away due to technological and infrastructural limits.
But its coming eventually, because theres nothing "new" left to bring to the Gaming Worlds.
All the ideas have been tried, tested, and worn out, with the surviving champions themselves starting to Fade from interest; WoW, etc...

Lightninvash

MikeB wrote: »

Best MMO? Its not an MMO according to their suits. So they would first need to make up their mind what they consider the game to be then take it back to dev because after 9 years the games not even close to being in working order.

I agree they need to make up their mind or give up the best mmo of 2015 title away to the 2nd place runner up.

its funny that they say eso isn't an mmo but mmo= Massive multiplayer online. MMORPG= massive multiplayer online role playing game.

Both of which are exactly what eso falls under

Krision

The problem that ails players is not the Game, or its theme, or effects, or lag, or community.
The problem is the same problem that ALL games have: Theyre Static.

To fix this, a new generation of MMO/RPG needs to be successfully designed and implemented.
One which uses dynamic, independent, algorithmic, and persistent content.
There exists no such game...yet.

Im talking about a game where nothing is static except the setting.
Everything else; world topography, structure layout, NPC's, "Ultimate Baddies", etc... are all capable of being completely changed and/or eliminated via player actions.

Because of the logistic scope of such a game, developers have not tackled the challenge yet.
But once this becomes feasible, we will see truly dynamic virtual environments that only retain their persistent "theme", i.e Tamriel, its races, history, environment, etc...not "Oblivion", or "Skyrim", or "ESO".
These are all static things with static environments.

Dynamic Environments are what players really want, with emphasis on a static system and a static theme.
Alas, such a world has not been designed yet, and is probably another 5-10 years away due to technological and infrastructural limits.
But its coming eventually, because theres nothing "new" left to bring to the Gaming Worlds.
All the ideas have been tried, tested, and worn out, with the surviving champions themselves starting to Fade from interest; WoW, etc...

A MMO based on artificial intelligence and neural interactions ( The Matrix ) , here about 30 years maybe .
Obs: I think I'm crazy

Xjcon

MikeB wrote: »

Best MMO? Its not an MMO according to their suits. So they would first need to make up their mind what they consider the game to be then take it back to dev because after 9 years the games not even close to being in working order.

I'm guessing after the mass exodus it can no longer be called "Massive" Multiply error online.

My phone did that. ^ it made me laugh so hard I had to leave it.

nimander99

I love this game so don't get the following twisted; I think with the release of Black Desert this game no longer has the chance to be the best MMO (or w/e the Dev's want to call it) Black Desert is what this game should have been.

That being said, I split my time equally between the two, both fantastic games!

Ssalaar

nimander99 wrote: »

I love this game so don't get the following twisted; I think with the release of Black Desert this game no longer has the chance to be the best MMO (or w/e the Dev's want to call it) Black Desert is what this game should have been.

That being said, I split my time equally between the two, both fantastic games!

As a side note to this, i would agree that i have seen the Numbers Dwindle. I watched ESO on twitch tv. enjoyed it but the Veterens have moved on to BDO for some new Flavor. some come back and play here but it is not for long before i see they are Back into BDO. I was told it lacks the deep story lines and immersion that ESO has but will Admit i love the richer textures of graphics. (but dont like the Anime Fighting Flare that it seems to have)

Hiding in baskets for the new thieves guild seems fun but because i probably dont understand it to well and got the first assignment butt kicked, i never went back.

The add ons seem for Veteran ranks but nothing for the 1-50 people that dont spend hours/weeks getting to VR16. None of my characters reached that stage. yet the story has kept me entertained with the way something that was plot in level 5 is now bigger plot in 35-40 area. It gets closer to being Skyrim with friends but at same time i feel this "we need Nameplates, we need Personal housing , we need to to be exactly like the other MMO's i play is killing it

I have never played another MMO before, this is my first.To be honest, i wished it was like the Old Ultima 4-6 Series where you could grab a quest at any stage and not as so damn linear as this is. "what a min guys i have to go back to the old man to get the quest marker so it will toggle the Goblin healer to get the potion we need"

WE all are going to have our favorite MMO's and wish they had the best of what we like. Problem is, we all like different things. The Dev's are not going to get it right for everyone, they only hope they made the right choice to keep their customer base.

Ssalaar
Lone Wolf PvE

SamRothstein

Yes:
Housing
Farming
Seasonal events

NO:
ARENA PVP. 1v1 in an actual arena that you can see and is a part of lore I wouldnt mind. But just random arena's that you teleport to do 4v4 is pointless. You teleport into some random area that is not connected by story, lore or anything else to the main world. GuildWars2 is the worst example of this. I cant stand WvW because it makes no sense EVER why you teleport into some unknown area that has virtually nothing to do with you game world.

My biggest compliment to ESO is that the PvP actually means something. It's out in an actual area that is a part of the world. A part of the world that factions are trying to control and capture. It's deeply ingrained to the story and makes it feel like a sense of purpose.

GW2 on the other hand its pointless, there is no lore, it's just giant battle that means nothing other than "loot".

Ra'Shtar

@Lenikus I think he means this and of course it will be an option you can activate or disable if you don't like.

SamRothstein

EsoRecon wrote: »

oxxalejandroxxo wrote: »

1. Fix most of the bugs (I don't even feel confident enough to say all of the bugs);
2. Fix Cyrodiil lag (No 250+ ping, up to this point I think 200-250 max ping has become acceptable for me after lagging for sooo long);
3. A little bit of other improvements such as fixes for animation cancelling, jumping animation, etc.

Are there any MMOs out there that need to do less to become the best MMO of today????

You need WAYYYY more than just this to become the best mmo or even get in the realm of comparing it to WoW. One of the key things you missed are PvP arenas/battlegrounds. That is one of the reasons why WoW does well. There is also a huge range of other things ESO needs like race change/features, scaling up the past trials, and I'm sure there is more I just can't think of atm.

Just curious, where would these "arenas and battlegrounds" be located?

WalkingLegacy

SamRothstein wrote: »

EsoRecon wrote: »

oxxalejandroxxo wrote: »

1. Fix most of the bugs (I don't even feel confident enough to say all of the bugs);
2. Fix Cyrodiil lag (No 250+ ping, up to this point I think 200-250 max ping has become acceptable for me after lagging for sooo long);
3. A little bit of other improvements such as fixes for animation cancelling, jumping animation, etc.

Are there any MMOs out there that need to do less to become the best MMO of today????

You need WAYYYY more than just this to become the best mmo or even get in the realm of comparing it to WoW. One of the key things you missed are PvP arenas/battlegrounds. That is one of the reasons why WoW does well. There is also a huge range of other things ESO needs like race change/features, scaling up the past trials, and I'm sure there is more I just can't think of atm.

Just curious, where would these "arenas and battlegrounds" be located?

There's an arena in Repear's March already.

Ra'Shtar

SamRothstein wrote: »

EsoRecon wrote: »

oxxalejandroxxo wrote: »

1. Fix most of the bugs (I don't even feel confident enough to say all of the bugs);
2. Fix Cyrodiil lag (No 250+ ping, up to this point I think 200-250 max ping has become acceptable for me after lagging for sooo long);
3. A little bit of other improvements such as fixes for animation cancelling, jumping animation, etc.

Are there any MMOs out there that need to do less to become the best MMO of today????

You need WAYYYY more than just this to become the best mmo or even get in the realm of comparing it to WoW. One of the key things you missed are PvP arenas/battlegrounds. That is one of the reasons why WoW does well. There is also a huge range of other things ESO needs like race change/features, scaling up the past trials, and I'm sure there is more I just can't think of atm.

Just curious, where would these "arenas and battlegrounds" be located?

They would probably be an instanced place where you have to go trough a que with a team to enter and fight an opposing team/teams.

Uriel_Nocturne

Hail Sithis.

Tandor

It is as subjective to claim this game is broken as it is to claim that WoW is the best MMO. I personally don't consider either claim to be remotely true.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.

- Some smart guy

" Charging a flat monthly (or subscription) fee means that we will offer players the game we set out to make, and the one that fans want to play. Going with any other model meant that we would have to make sacrifices and changes we weren't willing to make."

- Another Smart Guy

People melt in wall of elements, Templars need to defend their house, and tanking is boring!

- No comment

Jade1986

Dhukath wrote: »

laced wrote: »

There are more than enough lore friendly holidays to add some events to the game.

ZOS have already stated that they are working on in game seasonal/holiday events, due end 2016/early 2017. Sorry but can't find quote.

That would make me a very happy kitty. I dont need quotes. ^_^.

Jade1986

JaJaLuka wrote: »

laced wrote: »

LiquidSchwartz wrote: »

Pvp arenas

NO! We do NOT need some ancient outdated gametype. 8 v 8 would be fine, but for the love of Sanguine NOT 4 v 4s. 4 v 4s RUINED pvp in WoW, SWTOR and the list goes on. We need creativity and innovation, not some stale crap gametype that caused people to leave pvp in DROVES in other games.

As opposed to the game type that's making people leave in droves in this one?

No. The big battles are what brought people to this game in the first place. The reason people are leaving is because of lack of support and bug fixes, not because the gameplay itself.

Miwerton

Well wouldnt hold my hope up, there isnt really much of communication from the managment in zos, which leads to the clusterf**k that eso is.

For visual representaion think of the managments communication as Dr Strangeloves hand, that is completely out of his control, and is always just an annoyance. And just for lols here is

Florial

nimander99 wrote: »

I love this game so don't get the following twisted; I think with the release of Black Desert this game no longer has the chance to be the best MMO (or w/e the Dev's want to call it) Black Desert is what this game should have been.

That being said, I split my time equally between the two, both fantastic games!

I am also playing both however BDO didn't initially grab me (the story really bugs me and doesn't hold a candle to the superb story/acting in ESO--in my opinion of course). Also not a huge fan of combat and the keyboard gymnastics. However BDO does a number of interesting things and I would love to see some of those sandboxy ideas applied here. I'm also going to split my time however find myself playing ESO a bit more. I agree though with you...it would have been great if ESO started off a bit more like BDO but without the awful translation problems lol.

Perhaps with housing, they could take a very creative approach that would be a start in the right direction. Dunno. BDO is such a different game all together and has introduced some pretty unique things. I'm enjoying working my way through all the systems and haven't even started the trading routine. I also enjoyed that about ArcheAge and would love to see some of that here in Tamriel.

Villious

oxxalejandroxxo wrote: »

1. Fix most of the bugs (I don't even feel confident enough to say all of the bugs);
2. Fix Cyrodiil lag (No 250+ ping, up to this point I think 200-250 max ping has become acceptable for me after lagging for sooo long);
3. A little bit of other improvements such as fixes for animation cancelling, jumping animation, etc.

Are there any MMOs out there that need to do less to become the best MMO of today????

#nevergonnahappen

Seraseth

Florial wrote: »

EQ2: the shinies, housing, etc.

@Florial
Nooooo! I used to spend hours doing nothing but chasing shinies. I'd even dash off to snag shinies, getting aggro, while a friend was trying to escort me through somewhere. I was teased mercilessly by guildies about how my ocd fascination with shiny things was gonna get them all killed.

You add shinies to Tamriel and I won't ever sleep again!!

Grampa_Smurf

This is what we need Naked gatherings

ps:- Wish I had screen shots with the amount of players outside and upstairs.

Lotheimas

Sausage wrote: »

Lotheimas wrote: »

Arenas and bgs would kill cyrodill!
What we need it a raid progression sistem, what keeps people playing wow are their friends and raid progression.

Rift tried just a few year ago with Raid and raid progression and let my say it didnt exactly take off. I'd stick with Innovation this time. Rift had balanced Arena PVP too and same story, people didnt care a damn.

people didnt gave a them because rift = wow , eso has different mechanics the raids would be super different