Cyrodiil Vendor

Zaldan

goatlyonesub17_ESO wrote: »

Yeah Divines is THE trait to have because it can be repurposed, depending on which mundus stone you take a shine to. And Impenetrable and Nirnhoned are next best for usefulness.

Exploration, Training, and Reinforced are for new characters. Sturdy only if you're poor and die a lot, which usually means new characters or people who have above-average lag in Cyrodiil.

you forgot well fitted for mobility, don't laugh, that's ZO$ official stance on well fitted

DRXHarbinger

Dubhliam wrote: »

Xendyn wrote: »

This s a case of be careful what you ask for.
What will happen is ZOS will go rng on traits and you'll be looking at Training, Well-Fitted, Exploration, Reinforced.

I'll take the Infused over that, thx.

Before you say "But ZOS can make them any specific trait if they want to".
Yes, but when have you ever seen them do something that sensible? You really expect them to start now?

Look what happened with Respecs. Now we get nothing even though we know they have the ability to make them cheap for a week instead of forcing respec or nothing. But they don't.

Again, Be careful what you ask for.

The only traits you can have on v16 Monster set gear are: Divines, Impenetrable, Infused, Reinforced, Well-fitted

I made a poll not long ago about this, and people were 2:1 in favor of a fixed trait rather than RNG.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/245419/monster-sets-if-you-could-choose

So you got what you wanted.

Yes and the majority still agree. Not like one traits makes a massive difference does it. But rng *** things up a lot more than just infused.

ub17_ESO

How hard would it be to have all the traits available for the random piece?? Sure they could do it if they wanted to then everybody wins!

randolphbenoit

Only issue I have with the vendor is that only changes once per weekend... wish Saturday be shoulder and Sunday the head piece, but does not mean they be of same set.

I rather see it randomly change ever 4-5 hours or with the dawn of a game day (a day in the game I think is like 4.5 hours)

Either way will still be slow getting pieces you want but I do agree the prices are fair.

Dagoth_Rac

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

No one would do pledges or dungeons if you could get perfect trait from vendor. So they give us a reasonably good but not perfect trait from vendor and leave pledges and dungeons as a way to min/max.

But what I'm reading is that the vendor traits are viable traits for PvE min/max builds.

Infused is not min/max. With gold gear and gold glyph on a "big" piece, it is about 200 extra magicka. With people running 40k and 45k max magicka, 200 magicka is such a drop in the bucket that it is nearly identical to no trait at all.

Zabus

And what do we have again? A totally useless trait on a shoulder piece. Please try telling me how useful infused is on a small piece of armor... because that argument totally makes sense for everything..

Alcast

Zabus wrote: »

And what do we have again? A totally useless trait on a shoulder piece. Please try telling me how useful infused is on a small piece of armor... because that argument totally makes sense for everything..

If you want a perfect trait go grind the dungeon and stop QQing. Still better than NOTHING or well-fitted if you ask me.

Remember, there could be no vendor at all.

Nifty2g

Alcast wrote: »

Zabus wrote: »

And what do we have again? A totally useless trait on a shoulder piece. Please try telling me how useful infused is on a small piece of armor... because that argument totally makes sense for everything..

If you want a perfect trait go grind the dungeon and stop QQing. Still better than NOTHING or well-fitted if you ask me.

Remember, there could be no vendor at all.

It's completely *** useless to add *** traits to a vendor, there's no point for it. It's just adding onto the irritation the players already have at zenimax.

if theyre going to add stuff like this, up the prices of them and have the devs keep up to date on their meta game.

Also you can't exactly grind a dungeon for a perfect trait on a shoulder piece.

Zabus

Alcast wrote: »

Zabus wrote: »

And what do we have again? A totally useless trait on a shoulder piece. Please try telling me how useful infused is on a small piece of armor... because that argument totally makes sense for everything..

If you want a perfect trait go grind the dungeon and stop QQing. Still better than NOTHING or well-fitted if you ask me.

Gonna have to agree with @Nifty2g on this one. It's absolutely nonsensical for them to add a trait like this to a shoulder piece. Why couldn't they just let us choose the trait, and charge 1-2mil AP for it? Or at the very least give it a chance to drop impen, it's a f***** pvp vendor ffs.

zyk

Alcast wrote: »

Zabus wrote: »

And what do we have again? A totally useless trait on a shoulder piece. Please try telling me how useful infused is on a small piece of armor... because that argument totally makes sense for everything..

If you want a perfect trait go grind the dungeon and stop QQing. Still better than NOTHING or well-fitted if you ask me.

Remember, there could be no vendor at all.

Grinding PVE should not be required to be fully competitive in PVP; and vice versa. PVE players may think otherwise since the AP required to level Alliance War skill lines has been reduced, but IMO the only PVP players okay with repetitively grinding the same PVE content for dozens or hundreds of hours are those who also enjoy PVE.

Well-fitted is arguably superior to infused on small pieces; depending on one's build or play style, of course.

I think the weekly merchant was a half-assed approach--like most things PVP--to make AP worthwhile, but if that's how ZOS wants to enable a PVP acquisition path for these items, they should be offered with traits enthusiasts want.

Offering the items in Impen would be an ideal solution because it does not trivialize the PVE grind some apparently enjoy(?) Another option would be to make Impen monster set pieces tradable so PVE players can sell them to PVP players.

strikeback1247

zyk wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Zabus wrote: »

And what do we have again? A totally useless trait on a shoulder piece. Please try telling me how useful infused is on a small piece of armor... because that argument totally makes sense for everything..

If you want a perfect trait go grind the dungeon and stop QQing. Still better than NOTHING or well-fitted if you ask me.

Remember, there could be no vendor at all.

Grinding PVE should not be required to be fully competitive in PVP; and vice versa. PVE players may think otherwise since the AP required to level Alliance War skill lines has been reduced, but IMO the only PVP players okay with repetitively grinding the same PVE content for dozens or hundreds of hours are those who also enjoy PVE.

Well-fitted is arguably superior to infused on small pieces; depending on one's build or play style, of course.

I think the weekly merchant was a half-assed approach--like most things PVP--to make AP worthwhile, but if that's how ZOS wants to enable a PVP acquisition path for these items, they should be offered with traits enthusiasts want.

Offering the items in Impen would be an ideal solution because it does not trivialize the PVE grind some apparently enjoy(?) Another option would be to make Impen monster set pieces tradable so PVE players can sell them to PVP players.

Lol, I'm pretty sure you don't need a perfect trait on your shoulder piece to be competitive in PvP. Seems like people want their perfect gear easy mode, aye?

AOECAPS

Good lord you ppl are worse than a bunch of kids you don't like infused? Oh no let's qq about it not being exactly what I want. I'm rocking a well fitted nereinth helm and reinforced shoulders because of rng but I'm not going to complain about being about to get an infused head with worthless AP.

Ampnode

Ampnode wrote: »

I believe ZOS has put it this way because it's fair. This is the drawback to being able to buy sets so easily. They'll be a crappy trait. They already offer Light, Medium, AND Heavy at the same time. This we can at least be thankful for. Imagine doing 50+ runs and getting a heavy piece WITH a crappy trait. I'm okay with the traits if they're not willing to change them. I'm still grateful no matter the trait.

@AOECAPS Yeah, people can never be satisfied. Honestly, it's completely selfish to desire EVERY trait. I say be grateful you got anything.

zyk

AOECAPS wrote: »

Good lord you ppl are worse than a bunch of kids you don't like infused? Oh no let's qq about it not being exactly what I want. I'm rocking a well fitted nereinth helm and reinforced shoulders because of rng but I'm not going to complain about being about to get an infused head with worthless AP.

That AP is worthless *is* the issue.

The lack of empathy is appalling. If BIS PVE items were bind on pickup PVP obtained items that required the same investment of time, there would be widespread rage from the PVE community.

When ESO was new and PVE dungeon rewards were poor, this is exactly how the community responded.

"it's funny because it's not me." -homer simpson

nordickittyhawk

AOECAPS wrote: »

Good lord you ppl are worse than a bunch of kids you don't like infused? Oh no let's qq about it not being exactly what I want. I'm rocking a well fitted nereinth helm and reinforced shoulders because of rng but I'm not going to complain about being about to get an infused head with worthless AP.

i like you

Morbash

Here's my feedback:

• The vendor takes too long to cycle through gear, especially considering only the shoulders or the helm is available each weekend (but never both).
• More traits should be made available for purchase. I would like to see reinforced, divines, and impenetrable added as options alongside infused, OR I'd even settle for an option that allows us to change the trait and style of our gear. Could knock out two birds with one stone by implementing the latter.
• Prices are fair and should remain as they are.

Ajaxduo

I'd like to see them add more traits available to the vendor. Impenetrable and Divines specifically. Although I'd advice not getting 'shirty' about it, make it as a suggestion and hope for a response. Make love not QQ!

Egonieser

jbcrocks wrote: »

dem0n1k wrote: »

Does anyone know if you can transfer spendable AP from one of your toons to another? I usually blow all my spendable AP on siege equipment & repair stones, so I want to get all the remainders from each toon & pool them together to maybe buy a monster hat

You can't transfer AP

No but all items are account bound - buy it on one who has the AP - bank it and pick it up on a toon who needs it - it's what I do on a daily basis, saves me spending millions of gold regearing my alts who wear practically the same stuff.

AOECAPS

Na

AOECAPS

zyk wrote: »

AOECAPS wrote: »

Good lord you ppl are worse than a bunch of kids you don't like infused? Oh no let's qq about it not being exactly what I want. I'm rocking a well fitted nereinth helm and reinforced shoulders because of rng but I'm not going to complain about being about to get an infused head with worthless AP.

That AP is worthless *is* the issue.

The lack of empathy is appalling. If BIS PVE items were bind on pickup PVP obtained items that required the same investment of time, there would be widespread rage from the PVE community.

When ESO was new and PVE dungeon rewards were poor, this is exactly how the community responded.

"it's funny because it's not me." -homer simpson

Lack of empathy lmao dude I could care less TBH I pvp more than pve by a long shot but I will run a dungeon I I need a set piece or monster helm from it.
200+ darkshade runs before helmet
100+ before impen and divine Kena helm
150+ wGT runs still trying to get better trait for spell power cure legs
100+ COA runs for first helm
100+ COH runs for a well fitted nereinth
Still pvp after all of those runs and yea not getting the helmets suck on my first run but it doesn't take anytime to complete these dungeons.
Hell my pals and I ran the pledge 4 times on weds in a combined 24 minutes. i apologize I don't have any feels for you. Quit crying and play content or be content with an infused helmet.

Caff32

I'm trying to keep a list but missed the first week. Was it both the Nerien'eth Helm and Shoulder or one of the two and something else?

Mojmir

Caff32 wrote: »

I'm trying to keep a list but missed the first week. Was it both the Nerien'eth Helm and Shoulder or one of the two and something else?

Yes it was both

zyk

Mojmir wrote: »

Caff32 wrote: »

I'm trying to keep a list but missed the first week. Was it both the Nerien'eth Helm and Shoulder or one of the two and something else?

Yes it was both

The Nerien'eth helm was offered last week, but the shoulder piece was not.

Dubhliam

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

Xendyn wrote: »

This s a case of be careful what you ask for.
What will happen is ZOS will go rng on traits and you'll be looking at Training, Well-Fitted, Exploration, Reinforced.

I'll take the Infused over that, thx.

Before you say "But ZOS can make them any specific trait if they want to".
Yes, but when have you ever seen them do something that sensible? You really expect them to start now?

Look what happened with Respecs. Now we get nothing even though we know they have the ability to make them cheap for a week instead of forcing respec or nothing. But they don't.

Again, Be careful what you ask for.

The only traits you can have on v16 Monster set gear are: Divines, Impenetrable, Infused, Reinforced, Well-fitted

I made a poll not long ago about this, and people were 2:1 in favor of a fixed trait rather than RNG.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/245419/monster-sets-if-you-could-choose

So you got what you wanted.

Yes and the majority still agree. Not like one traits makes a massive difference does it. But rng *** things up a lot more than just infused.

Yes.
And you have quoted me where I say exactly which traits.

2 are desirable - Divines and Impenetrable
1 is okay - Infused
2 are undesirable - Reinforced and Well-fitted

Dumping loads of gold/Ap to have a chance for a desired piece beats infused. Many would agree, and plus - this would actually serve the merchant's purpose - to be an AP/gold sink.

Rva_Kun

Wtb Kena Helm next week in Vendor since this week was Kena shoulders pst

Caff32

zyk wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

Caff32 wrote: »

I'm trying to keep a list but missed the first week. Was it both the Nerien'eth Helm and Shoulder or one of the two and something else?

Yes it was both

The Nerien'eth helm was offered last week, but the shoulder piece was not.

Any idea what the other piece was?

DRXHarbinger

Zabus wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Zabus wrote: »

And what do we have again? A totally useless trait on a shoulder piece. Please try telling me how useful infused is on a small piece of armor... because that argument totally makes sense for everything..

If you want a perfect trait go grind the dungeon and stop QQing. Still better than NOTHING or well-fitted if you ask me.

Gonna have to agree with @Nifty2g on this one. It's absolutely nonsensical for them to add a trait like this to a shoulder piece. Why couldn't they just let us choose the trait, and charge 1-2mil AP for it? Or at the very least give it a chance to drop impen, it's a f***** pvp vendor ffs.

If the vendor was in craglorn would it make a difference? And it's not a PVP vendor. Damn zos just remove the vendor period. Humans be too ungrateful.

People be so angry. If having a minor % to crit or minor damage reduction on imp makes that much fo a difference to you....then well l2p really. It's not the shoulder traits fault.

zyk

Caff32 wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

Caff32 wrote: »

I'm trying to keep a list but missed the first week. Was it both the Nerien'eth Helm and Shoulder or one of the two and something else?

Yes it was both

The Nerien'eth helm was offered last week, but the shoulder piece was not.

Any idea what the other piece was?

So far, there has only been one monster set piece offered per week. The other two items offered each week have been Cyrodiil set pieces.

Taleof2Cities

zyk wrote: »

So far, there has only been one monster set piece offered per week. The other two items offered each week have been Cyrodiil set pieces.

Correct, it has always been only one set piece (even in PTS testing) ... which could be either a helm or a shoulder piece. However, the choice of light, medium, or heavy was always available.

Just to give an idea of what single piece was offered on PTS weekends during PTS testing:

Bloodspawn Helm
Mephala Shoulders
Maw of the Infernal Helm

Lenikus

Infused is a meta trait for Helms, chest, and pants, You guys are lucky they chose infused over Well-fitted.

If i had my way, All the items purchased in vendors that can be farmed by other means would 100% come in Sturdy.