Debate: Vampires and mortals is it...

RAGUNAnoOne

I know the profanity filter hates the word so use your imagination and look at my last poll to tell what I am asking.

RAGUNAnoOne

Oh come on nothing!? is it just because I can't use the word? fine another hint it starts with "Necro" and ends with "ilia"

Tryxus

Your skooma PLEASE!!!

I'm about to go to sleep, and I find myself reading a thread about necro... that?

-_-

Inarre

Yes it is

Obviously it is

WalkingLegacy

I think you have too much conflict in your head.

RAGUNAnoOne

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

I think you have too much conflict in your head.

I'm a human being our whole species heck EVERY species has too much conflict in our heads.

RAGUNAnoOne

Tryxus wrote: »

I'm about to go to sleep, and I find myself reading a thread about necro... that?

-_-

sweet dreams

Tryxus

Your skooma PLEASE!!!

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

EVERY species has too much conflict in our heads.

Eat, sleep, crap

Abeille

Other

Well, they are undead, not "dead". It is different because dead things can't react, while vampires react just as much as the living.

Also, I just want to say that this theme was addressed in previous TES games, even if the word is censored here. Both relationships with vampires and necromances having fun their, uh, "own peculiar way".

Aaaand I can't believe I'm discussing this.

Tryxus

Your skooma PLEASE!!!

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

I'm about to go to sleep, and I find myself reading a thread about necro... that?

-_-

sweet dreams

Well now I can't sleep -_-

Ra'Shtar

Yes it is

I have a corner that its in need of you.

mr1sho

Your skooma PLEASE!!!

My name is neon Joe vampire hunter lol

Lyrebon

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Is it necro? Possibly.

Is it wrong? Have you seen Serana?

corrosivechains

Your skooma PLEASE!!!

if you hook up with your clone, is it same-gender relations or is it self-satisfaction? Man I remembers these conversations in my early 20's, you know, that time period when you're lost in a fog of green and hops?

Fruitmass

Other

We are expected to suspend some measure of disbelief for the sake of fantasy and all that but if we go by the popular belief that vampires are for all intents and purposes dead, then we accept that they have no heart beat. Which means we accept they have no functioning circulatory system, which means no blood flow. Now for a male vampire wouldn't the physical act of love by conventional methods be impossible as without blood flow then certain parts of their anatomy are non functional?

There's also the aspect of vampires being able to exert strong control over their victim's minds. So it's possible that a vampire may just manipulate a victim's mind to believe they are experiencing intercourse so as to keep them subdued while they feed.

Of course this doesn't explain the occasional vampire offspring that tends to crop up every now and then...

TX12001rwb17_ESO

Yes it is

Fruitmass wrote: »

We are expected to suspend some measure of disbelief for the sake of fantasy and all that but if we go by the popular belief that vampires are for all intents and purposes dead, then we accept that they have no heart beat. Which means we accept they have no functioning circulatory system, which means no blood flow. Now for a male vampire wouldn't the physical act of love by conventional methods be impossible as without blood flow then certain parts of their anatomy are non functional?

There's also the aspect of vampires being able to exert strong control over their victim's minds. So it's possible that a vampire may just manipulate a victim's mind to believe they are experiencing intercourse so as to keep them subdued while they feed.

Of course this doesn't explain the occasional vampire offspring that tends to crop up every now and then...

Ever thought vampires have full control over their anatomy as they are shapeshifters, being able to make ones organs work would be highly plasuible and as for offspring that has only happened once and that may have been under certain circumstances where that vampire was carrying a blessing that allowed him to father a child despite being physically dead.

Yusuf

Other

I already voted no more forums for you on that bestiality-thread, WHY ARE YOU STILL DOING THIS?!

TX12001rwb17_ESO

Yes it is

It is the act in which that Dunmeri Alchemist in Skingrad likes to embrace (Yes such things actually do happen in ES) Mortals are living yet vampires are not...make of that what you will, a vampire who is asleep would be almost impossible to tell apart from your everyday corpse if it wasn't for the obvious vampiric features, Just because vampires appear alive doesn't make them so...Mannimarco appears alive and yet he is a Lich, they are simply reanimated corpses.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

Yes it is

Abeille wrote: »

Well, they are undead, not "dead". It is different because dead things can't react, while vampires react just as much as the living.

Also, I just want to say that this theme was addressed in previous TES games, even if the word is censored here. Both relationships with vampires and necromances having fun their, uh, "own peculiar way".

Aaaand I can't believe I'm discussing this.

The "Un" part of undead means reanimated, a Lich is Undead, a Draugr is Undead, a headless zombie is undead, they are dead because death is the absence of life, these are corpses who are reanimated by necrotic energies, a vampire is no different only they are via a Daedric Form of Necromancy brought upon by Molag Bals own blood.

Acsvf

Yes it is

Technically it would be, so I clicked yes.
Is it wrong or disgusting, in that way? I'd say no, since vampires are animate beings capable of reasoning and thought.

Abeille

Other

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

Well, they are undead, not "dead". It is different because dead things can't react, while vampires react just as much as the living.

Also, I just want to say that this theme was addressed in previous TES games, even if the word is censored here. Both relationships with vampires and necromances having fun their, uh, "own peculiar way".

Aaaand I can't believe I'm discussing this.

The "Un" part of undead means reanimated, a Lich is Undead, a Draugr is Undead, a headless zombie is undead, they are dead because death is the absence of life, these are corpses who are reanimated by necrotic energies, a vampire is no different only they are via a Daedric Form of Necromancy brought upon by Molag Bals own blood.

They are very different, though, as they act (and react) in a way very similar to the living, unlike a draugr or a zombie (or a regular corpse, which is dead, without the "un" part).

So I don't think it is [that censored word] exactly, although it still "technically" is. Unlike when necromancers have fun with their zombies, which certainly is.

Acsvf wrote: »

vampires are animate beings capable of reasoning and thought.

This is the big difference right here.

ShadowHvo

Yes it is

While the vampire is by all definition.. dead, their bodies are still magically functioning.

It is ***, and it will undoubtly be a cold intruder/experience unless some.. preparations are done.

Is it bad? Most certainly in the eyes of ordinary mortals in Tamriel, as vampirism in general is hated and known as the spawn of the very daedric prince that's currently trying to enslave everyone.

But ofcourse, people in Tamriel have different views. You can undoubtly find a few that wouldn't mind laying with an icicle or explore some cold caverns.

LadyNalcarya

Your skooma PLEASE!!!

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

Oh come on nothing!? is it just because I can't use the word? fine another hint it starts with "Necro" and ends with "ilia"

You could just call it "twilight type romance" or something

ListerJMC

No it isn't

I'm inclined to say no, because vampires are undead so not technically dead. They're only mostly dead.



(Sorry saw a Princess Bride reference opportunity and took it )

Anyway they can actually reproduce with mortals and have the same level of functioning as a mortal (without the whole bloodlust thing) which I'd say makes it a bit different from what you're implying it is.

corrosivechains

Your skooma PLEASE!!!

Fruitmass wrote: »

We are expected to suspend some measure of disbelief for the sake of fantasy and all that but if we go by the popular belief that vampires are for all intents and purposes dead, then we accept that they have no heart beat. Which means we accept they have no functioning circulatory system, which means no blood flow. Now for a male vampire wouldn't the physical act of love by conventional methods be impossible as without blood flow then certain parts of their anatomy are non functional?

There's also the aspect of vampires being able to exert strong control over their victim's minds. So it's possible that a vampire may just manipulate a victim's mind to believe they are experiencing intercourse so as to keep them subdued while they feed.

Of course this doesn't explain the occasional vampire offspring that tends to crop up every now and then...

Actually that was one of the points made in Bram Stokers Dracula. Despite all the power he was sexually impotent, hence his obsession with a love that transcended even death itself.

Fruitmass

Other

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Fruitmass wrote: »

We are expected to suspend some measure of disbelief for the sake of fantasy and all that but if we go by the popular belief that vampires are for all intents and purposes dead, then we accept that they have no heart beat. Which means we accept they have no functioning circulatory system, which means no blood flow. Now for a male vampire wouldn't the physical act of love by conventional methods be impossible as without blood flow then certain parts of their anatomy are non functional?

There's also the aspect of vampires being able to exert strong control over their victim's minds. So it's possible that a vampire may just manipulate a victim's mind to believe they are experiencing intercourse so as to keep them subdued while they feed.

Of course this doesn't explain the occasional vampire offspring that tends to crop up every now and then...

Ever thought vampires have full control over their anatomy as they are shapeshifters, being able to make ones organs work would be highly plasuible and as for offspring that has only happened once and that may have been under certain circumstances where that vampire was carrying a blessing that allowed him to father a child despite being physically dead.

Your assuming that the vampire in question has shape shifting abilities and that they'd have total control over each part of their body independently from the rest.

Still, my point is that intercourse with a vampire may be a strictly one sided affair in that copulation may not actually occur. Instead the vampire may simply employ the use of a very convincing illusion to ensnare a potential victim for the sake of creating a bond of intimacy and affection which they could exploit to make feeding easier. If that's the case then nothing physical occurred (aside from the biting and blood drinking) and it can't be considered "you know what".

Also, keep in mind I'm not being 100% serious here. Kind of shooting off a bit of an abstract concept just for the fun of it.

ShadowHvo

Yes it is

Fruitmass wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Fruitmass wrote: »

We are expected to suspend some measure of disbelief for the sake of fantasy and all that but if we go by the popular belief that vampires are for all intents and purposes dead, then we accept that they have no heart beat. Which means we accept they have no functioning circulatory system, which means no blood flow. Now for a male vampire wouldn't the physical act of love by conventional methods be impossible as without blood flow then certain parts of their anatomy are non functional?

There's also the aspect of vampires being able to exert strong control over their victim's minds. So it's possible that a vampire may just manipulate a victim's mind to believe they are experiencing intercourse so as to keep them subdued while they feed.

Of course this doesn't explain the occasional vampire offspring that tends to crop up every now and then...

Ever thought vampires have full control over their anatomy as they are shapeshifters, being able to make ones organs work would be highly plasuible and as for offspring that has only happened once and that may have been under certain circumstances where that vampire was carrying a blessing that allowed him to father a child despite being physically dead.

Your assuming that the vampire in question has shape shifting abilities and that they'd have total control over each part of their body independently from the rest.

Still, my point is that intercourse with a vampire may be a strictly one sided affair in that copulation may not actually occur. Instead the vampire may simply employ the use of a very convincing illusion to ensnare a potential victim for the sake of creating a bond of intimacy and affection which they could exploit to make feeding easier. If that's the case then physical interaction never occurred and it can't be considered "you know what".

Also, keep in mind I'm not being 100% serious here. Kind of shooting off a bit of an abstract concept just for the fun of it.

Just to tip in here though, it has been revealed by lore in the past that male vampires can impregnate mortal women, yet there are no signs of vampire women being able to become pregnant.

To me at least, that suggest their willies does function to an extend, probably again through the magical way the vampire's vessel works.

magic.

Fruitmass

Other

ShadowHvo wrote: »

Fruitmass wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Fruitmass wrote: »

We are expected to suspend some measure of disbelief for the sake of fantasy and all that but if we go by the popular belief that vampires are for all intents and purposes dead, then we accept that they have no heart beat. Which means we accept they have no functioning circulatory system, which means no blood flow. Now for a male vampire wouldn't the physical act of love by conventional methods be impossible as without blood flow then certain parts of their anatomy are non functional?

There's also the aspect of vampires being able to exert strong control over their victim's minds. So it's possible that a vampire may just manipulate a victim's mind to believe they are experiencing intercourse so as to keep them subdued while they feed.

Of course this doesn't explain the occasional vampire offspring that tends to crop up every now and then...

Ever thought vampires have full control over their anatomy as they are shapeshifters, being able to make ones organs work would be highly plasuible and as for offspring that has only happened once and that may have been under certain circumstances where that vampire was carrying a blessing that allowed him to father a child despite being physically dead.

Your assuming that the vampire in question has shape shifting abilities and that they'd have total control over each part of their body independently from the rest.

Still, my point is that intercourse with a vampire may be a strictly one sided affair in that copulation may not actually occur. Instead the vampire may simply employ the use of a very convincing illusion to ensnare a potential victim for the sake of creating a bond of intimacy and affection which they could exploit to make feeding easier. If that's the case then physical interaction never occurred and it can't be considered "you know what".

Also, keep in mind I'm not being 100% serious here. Kind of shooting off a bit of an abstract concept just for the fun of it.

Just to tip in here though, it has been revealed by lore in the past that male vampires can impregnate mortal women, yet there are no signs of vampire women being able to become pregnant.

To me at least, that suggest their willies does function to an extend, probably again through the magical way the vampire's vessel works.

magic.

Lol, yar I know. I never said it explain everything. To produce offspring I'm sure there is some sort of magical ritual that involves them doing the nasty with a mortal (and in that case yes, yes it is very much "you know what") but it doesn't seem to be a terribly common occurrence.

Actually I want to amend that, there may be a possibility that any ritual that allows them to produce viable offspring may actually suspend the vampire's undead status temporarily rendering them mortal for a time. Which if that's the case then it wouldn't be "you know what". However since the taint of vampirism is still a part of the father's very being, that taint may still pass on to the offspring but to a far lesser, potentially dormant degree. Now there's food for thought .

ListerJMC

No it isn't

Fruitmass wrote: »

ShadowHvo wrote: »

Fruitmass wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Fruitmass wrote: »

We are expected to suspend some measure of disbelief for the sake of fantasy and all that but if we go by the popular belief that vampires are for all intents and purposes dead, then we accept that they have no heart beat. Which means we accept they have no functioning circulatory system, which means no blood flow. Now for a male vampire wouldn't the physical act of love by conventional methods be impossible as without blood flow then certain parts of their anatomy are non functional?

There's also the aspect of vampires being able to exert strong control over their victim's minds. So it's possible that a vampire may just manipulate a victim's mind to believe they are experiencing intercourse so as to keep them subdued while they feed.

Of course this doesn't explain the occasional vampire offspring that tends to crop up every now and then...

Ever thought vampires have full control over their anatomy as they are shapeshifters, being able to make ones organs work would be highly plasuible and as for offspring that has only happened once and that may have been under certain circumstances where that vampire was carrying a blessing that allowed him to father a child despite being physically dead.

Your assuming that the vampire in question has shape shifting abilities and that they'd have total control over each part of their body independently from the rest.

Still, my point is that intercourse with a vampire may be a strictly one sided affair in that copulation may not actually occur. Instead the vampire may simply employ the use of a very convincing illusion to ensnare a potential victim for the sake of creating a bond of intimacy and affection which they could exploit to make feeding easier. If that's the case then physical interaction never occurred and it can't be considered "you know what".

Also, keep in mind I'm not being 100% serious here. Kind of shooting off a bit of an abstract concept just for the fun of it.

Just to tip in here though, it has been revealed by lore in the past that male vampires can impregnate mortal women, yet there are no signs of vampire women being able to become pregnant.

To me at least, that suggest their willies does function to an extend, probably again through the magical way the vampire's vessel works.

magic.

Lol, yar I know. I never said it explain everything. To produce offspring I'm sure there is some sort of magical ritual that involves them doing the nasty with a mortal (and in that case yes, yes it is very much "you know what") but it doesn't seem to be a terribly common occurrence.

Just going to leave this here (from a vampire's journal in Oblivion)...

Joy and exaltation! She is with child! My beloved Luktuv is carrying my child! The midwives predict a boy, and we have already settled on the name Agronak. In truth, I never realized such miracles were even possible, but the Divines have granted us their blessing, and so shall it be. I must wonder, of course, if my dear child will share in my Dark Gift. Only time will tell.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

Yes it is

Abeille wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

Well, they are undead, not "dead". It is different because dead things can't react, while vampires react just as much as the living.

Also, I just want to say that this theme was addressed in previous TES games, even if the word is censored here. Both relationships with vampires and necromances having fun their, uh, "own peculiar way".

Aaaand I can't believe I'm discussing this.

The "Un" part of undead means reanimated, a Lich is Undead, a Draugr is Undead, a headless zombie is undead, they are dead because death is the absence of life, these are corpses who are reanimated by necrotic energies, a vampire is no different only they are via a Daedric Form of Necromancy brought upon by Molag Bals own blood.

They are very different, though, as they act (and react) in a way very similar to the living, unlike a draugr or a zombie (or a regular corpse, which is dead, without the "un" part).

So I don't think it is [that censored word] exactly, although it still "technically" is. Unlike when necromancers have fun with their zombies, which certainly is.

Acsvf wrote: »

vampires are animate beings capable of reasoning and thought.

This is the big difference right here.

Their bodies are still cold...

TX12001rwb17_ESO

Yes it is

Fruitmass wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Fruitmass wrote: »

We are expected to suspend some measure of disbelief for the sake of fantasy and all that but if we go by the popular belief that vampires are for all intents and purposes dead, then we accept that they have no heart beat. Which means we accept they have no functioning circulatory system, which means no blood flow. Now for a male vampire wouldn't the physical act of love by conventional methods be impossible as without blood flow then certain parts of their anatomy are non functional?

There's also the aspect of vampires being able to exert strong control over their victim's minds. So it's possible that a vampire may just manipulate a victim's mind to believe they are experiencing intercourse so as to keep them subdued while they feed.

Of course this doesn't explain the occasional vampire offspring that tends to crop up every now and then...

Ever thought vampires have full control over their anatomy as they are shapeshifters, being able to make ones organs work would be highly plasuible and as for offspring that has only happened once and that may have been under certain circumstances where that vampire was carrying a blessing that allowed him to father a child despite being physically dead.

Your assuming that the vampire in question has shape shifting abilities and that they'd have total control over each part of their body independently from the rest.

Still, my point is that intercourse with a vampire may be a strictly one sided affair in that copulation may not actually occur. Instead the vampire may simply employ the use of a very convincing illusion to ensnare a potential victim for the sake of creating a bond of intimacy and affection which they could exploit to make feeding easier. If that's the case then nothing physical occurred (aside from the biting and blood drinking) and it can't be considered "you know what".

Also, keep in mind I'm not being 100% serious here. Kind of shooting off a bit of an abstract concept just for the fun of it.

Vampires in ES are shapeshifters, they can turn into Bats, Mist, Gargoyles such as the vampire in Eastmarch and likly many other things or did you forget about that? Im just providing a plausible explanation as to how they can do it.