Should de-Cloaking and preventing Cloak to NBs count as CC?

Speely

DannyLV702

Other: I have a different opinion than is provided in this poll.

The nerf is harsh to where I want to vote yes, but I'm staying at no because it is completely different from a cc. Taking cloak away from a stamblade isn't in anyway as detrimental as a hard cc.

RAGUNAnoOne

Yes. It is as much CC as Eclipse is, since it directs a player's actions.

sounds reasonable and add a break free like with negate and eclipse boom magelight and mark are on par with every it other specific action disabling move.

Speely

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

sounds reasonable and add a break free like with negate and eclipse boom magelight and mark are on par with every it other specific action disabling move.

That's my logic as well. It is a fair way to meet in the middle while keeping Inner Light' and Mark's utility yet not neutering Cloak.

Solariken

Other: I have a different opinion than is provided in this poll.

The change to stealth/invisibility that prevents use of the ability is ridiculous. So stupid. I prefer to let the Nightblade waste magicka trying to cloak away while I'm frantically jab-jabbing my sunspear into his posterior orifice.

RAGUNAnoOne

Yes. It is as much CC as Eclipse is, since it directs a player's actions.

You should get this moved to the general discussion or the PTS tab it will get more notice there

ToRelax

No. Preventing a NB's actions in this regard is not the same because

This doesn't make sense to me. The nerf may be too harsh, that doesn't mean one should be able to break CC anytime one likes. Furthermore, shouldn't any class be able to break this kind of "cc" then? What sense does that make now.
Eclipse specifically needs a counter because a single target magicka build can't attack when affected by it. It's not like that with being unable to Cloak.

Speely

Fair enough, @ToRelax ... Just trying to find a middle ground between Cloak-using NBs and Inner Light/Piercing Mark users.

Look at it this way: no one with enough Stamina to Break Free a lot will be casting Cloak much. No one who can cast Cloak a lot will be able to Break Free much. It would be a good compromise imo. Prevention/de-Cloaking would still be effective and additionally be a Stamina depletion tool. Cloak would be able to be recast after Breaking Free and so no one would have to be locked out of using a class skill for potentially 20+ seconds.

It lets both sides gain something out of this change. There is still detection and cloaking happening, but it's less of an all-or-nothing situation.

@RAGUNAnoOne yeah good point. Might be a worthwhile discussion to have in the PTS forum especially.

ToRelax

No. Preventing a NB's actions in this regard is not the same because

Speely wrote: »

Fair enough, ToRelax ... Just trying to find a middle ground between Cloak-using NBs and Inner Light/Piercing Mark users.

Look at it this way: no one with enough Stamina to Break Free a lot will be casting Cloak much. No one who can cast Cloak a lot will be able to Break Free much. It would be a good compromise imo. Prevention/de-Cloaking would still be effective and additionally be a Stamina depletion tool. Cloak would be able to be recast after Breaking Free and so no one would have to be locked out of using a class skill for potentially 20+ seconds.

It lets both sides gain something out of this change. There is still detection and cloaking happening, but it's less of an all-or-nothing situation.

RAGUNAnoOne yeah good point. Might be a worthwhile discussion to have in the PTS forum especially.

Actually my magicka bosmer NB has 1.2k unbuffed stam regen and regens magicka while perma cloaking. I would just go invisible for 8 seconds plus be cc immune whenever I want - when fighting someone who is using a skill designed to counter mine.

RAGUNAnoOne

Yes. It is as much CC as Eclipse is, since it directs a player's actions.

ToRelax wrote: »

Speely wrote: »

Fair enough, ToRelax ... Just trying to find a middle ground between Cloak-using NBs and Inner Light/Piercing Mark users.

Look at it this way: no one with enough Stamina to Break Free a lot will be casting Cloak much. No one who can cast Cloak a lot will be able to Break Free much. It would be a good compromise imo. Prevention/de-Cloaking would still be effective and additionally be a Stamina depletion tool. Cloak would be able to be recast after Breaking Free and so no one would have to be locked out of using a class skill for potentially 20+ seconds.

It lets both sides gain something out of this change. There is still detection and cloaking happening, but it's less of an all-or-nothing situation.

RAGUNAnoOne yeah good point. Might be a worthwhile discussion to have in the PTS forum especially.

Actually my magicka bosmer NB has 1.2k unbuffed stam regen and regens magicka while perma cloaking. I would just go invisible for 8 seconds plus be cc immune whenever I want - when fighting someone who is using a skill designed to counter mine.

Bosmer case closed try a non-stamina race for your mageblade then come back to us about mages having enough stamina to break free whenever we want.

ToRelax

No. Preventing a NB's actions in this regard is not the same because

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Speely wrote: »

Fair enough, ToRelax ... Just trying to find a middle ground between Cloak-using NBs and Inner Light/Piercing Mark users.

Look at it this way: no one with enough Stamina to Break Free a lot will be casting Cloak much. No one who can cast Cloak a lot will be able to Break Free much. It would be a good compromise imo. Prevention/de-Cloaking would still be effective and additionally be a Stamina depletion tool. Cloak would be able to be recast after Breaking Free and so no one would have to be locked out of using a class skill for potentially 20+ seconds.

It lets both sides gain something out of this change. There is still detection and cloaking happening, but it's less of an all-or-nothing situation.

RAGUNAnoOne yeah good point. Might be a worthwhile discussion to have in the PTS forum especially.

Actually my magicka bosmer NB has 1.2k unbuffed stam regen and regens magicka while perma cloaking. I would just go invisible for 8 seconds plus be cc immune whenever I want - when fighting someone who is using a skill designed to counter mine.

Bosmer case closed try a non-stamina race for your mageblade then come back to us about mages having enough stamina to break free whenever we want.

I'm no stupid idiot just stacking one or two stats... I wouldn't have worse stamina management playing an Altmer, just swap some sets and glyphs around.

Cody

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Speely wrote: »

Fair enough, ToRelax ... Just trying to find a middle ground between Cloak-using NBs and Inner Light/Piercing Mark users.

Look at it this way: no one with enough Stamina to Break Free a lot will be casting Cloak much. No one who can cast Cloak a lot will be able to Break Free much. It would be a good compromise imo. Prevention/de-Cloaking would still be effective and additionally be a Stamina depletion tool. Cloak would be able to be recast after Breaking Free and so no one would have to be locked out of using a class skill for potentially 20+ seconds.

It lets both sides gain something out of this change. There is still detection and cloaking happening, but it's less of an all-or-nothing situation.

RAGUNAnoOne yeah good point. Might be a worthwhile discussion to have in the PTS forum especially.

Actually my magicka bosmer NB has 1.2k unbuffed stam regen and regens magicka while perma cloaking. I would just go invisible for 8 seconds plus be cc immune whenever I want - when fighting someone who is using a skill designed to counter mine.

Bosmer case closed try a non-stamina race for your mageblade then come back to us about mages having enough stamina to break free whenever we want.

champion points and glyphs, he does not need a bosmer to achieve that stam regain with a mana build, just like one does not need an altmer to achieve massive mana regain, champion points, glyphs, and certain set combos can achieve almost anything one desires.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO

No. Preventing a NB's actions in this regard is not the same because

is this a joke? you can still attack/defend/ move around. do you know what CC is?

Strider_Roshin

No. Preventing a NB's actions in this regard is not the same because

By this logic, if I walk by a stealthed opponent, they should be CC'd.

RAGUNAnoOne

Yes. It is as much CC as Eclipse is, since it directs a player's actions.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

is this a joke? you can still attack/defend/ move around. do you know what CC is?

then what about negate magic and eclipse that logic applies to those moves yet still...