[Confirmed] Cyrodiil vendors will NOT be raised to V16

Ghostbane

Caps?

Leandor

Lol, AP caps?

This is getting more and more ridoculous by the hour.

Hey @Wrobel, April 1st is still a ways away, didn't know if you noticed.

mertusta

Isn't this wrobel guy a combat designer? Why the f*** is he giving decisions about our ap? I thought ap is related to brian's area.. wtf

HoloYoitsu

mertusta wrote: »

Isn't this wrobel guy a combat designer? Why the f*** is he giving decisions about our ap? I thought ap is related to brian's area.. wtf

Well, he is also the lead Itemization guy, so I assume he has input when it comes to how the gear he designs is acquired.

Knootewoot

Turelus wrote: »

What gets me though is this is the argument.

"We don't want players with loads of AP to instantly buy their gear and then be ahead of others, also having nothing to work towards"

For most PvP players, firstly they earned that AP by staying in the game, doing PvP. They earned it so why can't they now use it?

As for wanting to have something to work towards, most PvP players don't want to work towards gear, they want to be at their best and get back into the PvP gameplay.

@Wrobel please stop thinking gear chasing is a fun gameplay element in PvP, the PvP itself is the fun part of the game for a PvP player. Just give them the gear they want and let them get back to enjoying the game.
Has nothing been learned from the level of hatred that came out from IC/BoP sets? Which stopped people just having fun doing PvP because they had to spend months grinding new gear to get back to competitive levels.

^This.

Cogo

Ghostbane wrote: »

Playtime Caps?

You know, even if the whole world except THAT guy knows that you are joking.....THAT guy might post "Yeah! Its pay to win to have longer play time then me!"

Then a Dev comes along, that really do care about the players. So much, that they choose to hurt their own game by listening to the players. ESO will only be open 6pm to midnight, GMT.

Just in case....
He was joking!

Skinzz

Lmao what an awful idea from zos. We spend hours and days playing pvp because we love it and theyre using that against us when it comes to spending ap. Just wow.

Derra

Ghostbane wrote: »

Playtime Caps?

I think they should do that. Not playtime but after playing 1 hour a day you can no longer loot anything or earn points in any form. Nor accept or complete any new quests, harvest something or interact with the environment in any form.

It´s unfair people with more time can get real advantages in the game!!!!

Turelus

I'll add a little more as well.

When the vendors sold max level (VR14) items, this was a place players who did PvP all day could go to turn that AP into Gold.
You could buy boxes/items and sell the contents to players outside of Cyrodiil via trade markets or direct trades.

Because during the previous times when these were max level rings and weapon sets from here were high demand in Both PvE and PvP we had a nice back and forth between the PvE and PvP communities. This was killed off when the sets were not updated to VR16, no one wants to play with lower level armours and as such AP become worthless and piled up.

This isn't really about gearing up, and the sets sold by the vendors and some box ones are considered obsolete now because they're not VR16, not because of the set bonuses, because they simply are not in demand due to having weaker values than anything else in the VR16/Crafted range.

Please just raise the level of these (and all) armours to max level with every expansion and once again give us the freedom to mix/match sets to find interesting or new builds. I respect and understand the desire to make new content more appealing for purchase by keeping materials for later levels locked behind them but even Eric said on the stream that the chase days for VR16 are over.

Please, just give every set a highest level option including these AP purchased sets and let's be done with the debates and complaints we have seen going around again and again with this subject.

Gear chasing sucks, if you really want then fine add new sets/materials with updates but please don't force those as the only viable ones in the game and make most of the sets in the game worthless.

Lastly I go back to the points I made in my previous post.
If a player has spent the last three months playing PvP and gaining AP why shouldn't they be allowed to buy that AP over others who are just joining PvP? They worked for that AP after all and their reward is being able to gear up and get back out into the fun part of PvP, the PvP itself (I've never met a PvP player who believed working for his gear was the fun part).

Secondly Eric said he wanted players to have something to work towards with their earning AP, well isn't being able to buy boxes and sell them for the gold to buy potions, materials, PvE gear etc. something for them to be working towards?

I really hope we can just see all sets at max level sooner than later, because I am tired of a game sold on choice and complex builds where 80% of the items are not viable because of reasons which don't make any logical sense to the players playing.

@Wrobel @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_BrianWheeler

Jitterbug

I think I'll come come back to this game when either

A ) small scale PvP is successfully implemented, or
B ) Eric Wrobel is fired

See you fine people around

Psilent

Scamandros wrote: »

It sounds like they want some form of a seasonal token gear system, but without having seasonal tokens because 'tokens are bad mmk'.

I totally see this happening to be quite honest; I remember back in WoW, during the Burning Crusade, I and my guild mates hoarded huge amounts of Badges of Justice and Badges of Valor in preparation for new gear coming out with the next expansion. Blizzard saw players doing this and decided with Wrath of the Lich King expansion to make new badges; effectively making the old one's useless. They then switched to a capped point system that was pretty much made hoarding impossible. Converting all my precious points into gold for how many I had over the cap.

I wouldn't mind seasonal PvP gear in Cyrodiil and or gear that requires a certain alliance rank to wear. As it stands right now, all I want AP for is to increase my alliance rank on my main and to get Cyrodiil skills on my newer characters.

Soris

Derra wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

Playtime Caps?

I think they should do that. Not playtime but after playing 1 hour a day you can no longer loot anything or earn points in any form. Nor accept or complete any new quests, harvest something or interact with the environment in any form.

It´s unfair people with more time can get real advantages in the game!!!!

Fair enough if we dint have to pay for dlcs or subs and gear and potions.
I wouldn't mind then.

vortexman11

To all the people saying that we shouldn't complain as this is no where near being confirmed... you don't get the point. The reason people are annoyed is just at the simple fact that he would even consider something like this thinking it's a good idea.

Jura23

Derra wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

Playtime Caps?

I think they should do that. Not playtime but after playing 1 hour a day you can no longer loot anything or earn points in any form. Nor accept or complete any new quests, harvest something or interact with the environment in any form.

It´s unfair people with more time can get real advantages in the game!!!!

Or after 1 hour of playetime your CP rank starts to decrease instead of increase.

Talcyndl

Turelus wrote: »

@Wrobel please stop thinking gear chasing is a fun gameplay element in PvP, the PvP itself is the fun part of the game for a PvP player. Just give them the gear they want and let them get back to enjoying the game.

This!

Wrobel is simply a PvE focused developer. He can't understand (and doesn't want to design for) the PvP mindset.

Zheg

Talcyndl wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

@Wrobel please stop thinking gear chasing is a fun gameplay element in PvP, the PvP itself is the fun part of the game for a PvP player. Just give them the gear they want and let them get back to enjoying the game.

This!

Wrobel is simply a PvE focused developer. He can't understand (and doesn't want to design for) the PvP mindset.

Did you hear him talk about the DK execute question? He used fighting a NB as an example and how when you were at 25% hp you need to be careful because now they'll use killer's blade on you. I don't think I've seen a NB execute on my death recap for over a year. The guy just simply is blissfully ignorant of what actually happens in pvp.

Reevster

Eh who cares...whats an AP anyways?

Zyle

Reevster wrote: »

Eh who cares...whats an AP anyways?

It's a wannabe rupee!

Ourorboros

Farorin wrote: »

Not giving us something to spend our AP on because we have AP built up from not having anything to spend our AP on... Seriously? What the literal crap kind of crap logic is that?

Almost Unbelievable.

Almost...

ZOS LOGIC:

Cody

guys, if y'all have all of this AP laying around, y'all COULD use it to buy me an akaviri motif light armor set with shield, inferno/resto stave:D

Gyudan

Keep farming AP people. It might become useful someday.

olsborg

Why even have AP if its such a nuisance for ZOS...

Valen_Byte

Because:

'Welcome to ESO, can I show you to our Crown Store?"

Masuimi

AOE caps, CP caps, AP caps...

@Wrobel Let's put daily caps on exp earned and items looted too. That way people will have to play everyday to get the best stuff.

redspecter23

They wouldn't even have this problem if they simply updated the AP sets and boxes the same time they raised the level cap like they should have. We have stored up AP because of that ridiculous decision. Don't blame the players for storing up AP when the cause was the inability to raise all the in game systems to sync up with level caps that we didn't ask for in the first place (v16 specifically). They still haven't bumped up dungeon sets and cyrodiil mobs to v16. Why introduce a level cap nobody wanted and not even do it properly?

Masuimi

This game has become the same reason why I quit destiny. Everyone in the end game is running around in the exact same few armor sets. So boring.

Reevster

Masuimi wrote: »

This game has become the same reason why I quit destiny. Everyone in the end game is running around in the exact same few armor sets. So boring.

But But..thats what costumes are for.....

Sallington

Zheg wrote: »

Talcyndl wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

@Wrobel please stop thinking gear chasing is a fun gameplay element in PvP, the PvP itself is the fun part of the game for a PvP player. Just give them the gear they want and let them get back to enjoying the game.

This!

Wrobel is simply a PvE focused developer. He can't understand (and doesn't want to design for) the PvP mindset.

Did you hear him talk about the DK execute question? He used fighting a NB as an example and how when you were at 25% hp you need to be careful because now they'll use killer's blade on you. I don't think I've seen a NB execute on my death recap for over a year. The guy just simply is blissfully ignorant of what actually happens in pvp.

I've said it before, but there's a HUGE disconnect between how the devs think a skill should work, and how it actually works within the game.

Kilandros

Apparently rather than fix Cyrodiil they're just trying to kill it off entirely.

AverageJo3Gam3r

Elong wrote: »

They've dug their own hole with this. Originally there was nothing to spend AP on, so of course we accumulated it.

Now they don't want to upgrade gear, because we have all this AP banked, because there was nothing to spend it on.

To rub it in further, possibly capping our AP so we can't earn more?

The icing on the cake is the well fitted end of campaign rewards.

So what is the point of pvping?

Maybe, ya know, for the fun of it?