Storm Atronach needs major love

Derra

Erraln wrote: »

Disclaimer: My perspective is PvE centric

There's some misinformation going on in here, thought I'd clear it up...

Derra wrote: »

They only scale with max magica and not spelldmg.

No, the Atronach scales with both Spell Damage and Magicka, as an ultimate should. This is easily testable by obtaining your normal strike strength/zap strength, downing a spell pot, and casting it again.

Missed that one. I guess my spelldmg on petbuilds was just always too low to really notice. Thanks for the headsup!

Attronarch actually scaling with spelldmg and the other pets not is something that just baffles me now. It does not make sense for pets to only scale with max magica at all and obviously it can´t be that hard to make them scale with spelldmg as one already does. Having them scale with both stats would go a loooooong way in making pets more usable.

On top of that - yeah it´s a shame that CP have no influence on pets at all. I think i mentioned that when 1.6 on pts but never got a reply and sort of just gave up on them ever fixing that...

Edit: Have to add - on live attro does not come close to meteor dmg for my build (without daedric prey).

Mumyo

Derra wrote: »

Mumyo wrote: »

is this a joke?

Go cry in your templar topics.

U are crying there allready, hypocrite. And im actually the only one not complaining because i didnt properly test stuff yet but this here is so far away from proper testing.
I am pretty sure i can drop my stamina nova, calculate the cost/dmg relation and may get to the same outcome.
Would it be stupid? Yes!

oooowhhh. Just did the test. It was even worse, the mob only dropped down to 75% health with 2k dmg ticks and nova costs 240 Ult.

See the issue now?

RoyJade

Nova has a 30% damage reduction, it's useful for group play. Atro isn't as good.

But the problem is the same : templars lack a good class damage ultimate. Crescent sweep should have a better range (more than this 1 more meter) but also a large damage boost. perhaps having a nova's morph with big damage and without this 30% damage reduction should also work (and, why not both ultimate boost ?).
Atronash also need a boost, for pve, damage pvp and for stam user. Negate, very situational but extremely good in group play (if only it was doing what it must do : negate buff, magic effect AND proxy det) can't fit more to a stam user. Overload is a pure thunder move, I don't see how we can change that without altering the move. But atronash… he should be able to do physical damage as well as thunder one. And better overall damage.

Mumyo

RoyJade wrote: »

Nova has a 30% damage reduction, it's useful for group play. Atro isn't as good.

But the problem is the same : templars lack a good class damage ultimate. Crescent sweep should have a better range (more than this 1 more meter) but also a large damage boost. perhaps having a nova's morph with big damage and without this 30% damage reduction should also work (and, why not both ultimate boost ?).
Atronash also need a boost, for pve, damage pvp and for stam user. Negate, very situational but extremely good in group play (if only it was doing what it must do : negate buff, magic effect AND proxy det) can't fit more to a stam user. Overload is a pure thunder move, I don't see how we can change that without altering the move. But atronash… he should be able to do physical damage as well as thunder one. And better overall damage.

I only wanted to point out that the testing done in this thread has no data at all, just like my "nova testing"(ignoring synergy, morph, stats, etc.).
So far there is only 1 truly stam supporting Ult and thats Dragon Leap.

RoyJade

One pure stamina ultimate, but one very good even as a stam user : dead stroke.
Stamsorc and stamplar don't have any good damage ultimate beside meteor, and that's a problem.

IMO they should have given one cp for damage ultimate, or give elemental expert / mighty a bonus for "magicka / stamina based attack". Like that, no more problem with fire dot as a stam DK, thunder dot as a stamsorc, magicka damage as a stamblade and most of anything ultimate damage as everyone. But such idea need probably some tweaking on balance.

Derra

Mumyo wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Mumyo wrote: »

is this a joke?

Go cry in your templar topics.

U are crying there allready, hypocrite. And im actually the only one not complaining because i didnt properly test stuff yet but this here is so far away from proper testing.
I am pretty sure i can drop my stamina nova, calculate the cost/dmg relation and may get to the same outcome.
Would it be stupid? Yes!

oooowhhh. Just did the test. It was even worse, the mob only dropped down to 75% health with 2k dmg ticks and nova costs 240 Ult.

See the issue now?

Where do i come up with non topic related stuff on templar topics trying to derail the thread - quote me plz.

I´m playing both classes that´s why i´m posting in templar and sorc topics.

Chelos

Just: No
Sorcs and NBs are still the best situated classes, even with what's going on in the new patch.
No need to buff them even more.

Derra

Chelos wrote: »

Just: No
Sorcs and NBs are still the best situated classes, even with what's going on in the new patch.
No need to buff them even more.

Imho the only change desperately needed for DK and templar would be a magica morph for rapid maneuver from a small grp perspective.

I can´t comment on both for solo play and for no class on larger grp play .

RoyJade

Stamsorc aren't in the best situation, and bringing an ultimate at the same point of actual sorc most used ultimate won't be OP, it will just bring more build diversity (especially in pve).

I55UE5

It is a bit sad that the ultimate is used in PvP just to LoS people rather than do damage.