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Any other Templar healers feel unwanted?
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Radiant destruction nerf, unpurgable siege weapons(cleansing ritual nerf), focus healing passive nerf, and breath of life nerf. Anyone else regret spending so much time on your Templar healer?
Edited by Justice31st on February 4, 2016 3:14AM "The more you know who you are, and what you want, the less you let things upset you."
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Sicarius1988xSoul ShrivenI'm giving up on my Templar and re rolling a new class. I may end up joining the NB wagon....7
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✭Sicarius1988x wrote: »I'm giving up on my Templar and re rolling a new class. I may end up joining the NB wagon....
Hmmm, NB's have been hit pretty hard with the current version on PTS too, the changes to mage light and cloak will hurt alot of NB builds.
I think DKs will be the Kings & Queens of 2016 if things remain largely as they are.....
My templar is currently crying himself to sleep, once he's done he'll probably go full DPS and never share his heals again....NA PC | AD
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emeraldbay✭✭✭✭✭Justice31st wrote: »unpurgable siege weaponsZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »HeroOfNone wrote: »Are siege effects purgable? Thought that was going to be another featured change @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler
They were purgable before, and continue to be purgable.
[/color]Justice31st wrote: »purifying ritual healing nerfZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »- Cleansing Ritual:
- Increased the healing from the Purify synergy from this ability and its morphs by 12%.
while I do agree that this is a nerf, I think it goes a long way in bringing Templar healing more in-line with the healing abilities of other classes. it'll take some getting used to, but it shouldn't make Templar healers obsolete in any way.Justice31st wrote: »breath of life nerf-T h e - A l d m e r i - I n i t i a t i v e-— O r d e r - o f - t h e - R a v y n —4 - Cleansing Ritual:
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✭emeraldbay wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »unpurgable siege weaponsZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »HeroOfNone wrote: »Are siege effects purgable? Thought that was going to be another featured change @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler
They were purgable before, and continue to be purgable.[/color]Justice31st wrote: »purifying ritual healing nerfZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »- Cleansing Ritual:
- Increased the healing from the Purify synergy from this ability and its morphs by 12%.
while I do agree that this is a nerf, I think it goes a long way in bringing Templar healing more in-line with the healing abilities of other classes. it'll take some getting used to, but it shouldn't make Templar healers obsolete in any way.Justice31st wrote: »breath of life nerf
Focused Healing: This passive ability now grants you the Major Mending buff while standing in your own Cleansing Ritual, Rune Focus, or Rite of Passage area effects and for up to 2/4 seconds after leaving them at Ranks I/II, instead of granting you 15/30% more healing to allies standing in your own Cleansing Ritual, Rune Focus, or Rite of Passage."The more you know who you are, and what you want, the less you let things upset you."1 - Cleansing Ritual:
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cote-bmsb16_ESO✭✭✭I'm disgusted with ZOS devs atm.. SMH. Thanks for the nerfs, not like templars were OP in the first place. Thanks for listening to the whiners, who just started playing this game.12
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✭✭✭✭✭Don't see how radiant destruction got nerfed ? In fact channeled skills are going to be un dodgeable.
Well siege are purgable with the purge skill, it think its more to do so make giant zergs weakers and 2-3 templars can spam ritual and make sure siege is useless against the 50 man zerg.PS4 EU DC
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✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Don't see how radiant destruction got nerfed ? In fact channeled skills are going to be un dodgeable.
Well siege are purgable with the purge skill, it think its more to do so make giant zergs weakers and 2-3 templars can spam ritual and make sure siege is useless against the 50 man zerg.
I was talking about the big nerf that happened a while back."The more you know who you are, and what you want, the less you let things upset you."0 -
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✭emeraldbay wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »unpurgable siege weaponsZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »HeroOfNone wrote: »Are siege effects purgable? Thought that was going to be another featured change @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler
They were purgable before, and continue to be purgable.[/color]Justice31st wrote: »purifying ritual healing nerfZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »- Cleansing Ritual:
- Increased the healing from the Purify synergy from this ability and its morphs by 12%.
while I do agree that this is a nerf, I think it goes a long way in bringing Templar healing more in-line with the healing abilities of other classes. it'll take some getting used to, but it shouldn't make Templar healers obsolete in any way.Justice31st wrote: »breath of life nerf
Can you explain to me why you inherently feel it necessary to bring templar healing more in line with the healing abilities of other classes? In your response, please explain coherently why it is that you consider this necessary and please elaborate on how other classes access to shields, better damage and mobility do or do not offset the pros/cons of templar's healing abilities being "out of line".....NA PC | AD
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✭✭✭✭✭emeraldbay wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »unpurgable siege weaponsZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »HeroOfNone wrote: »Are siege effects purgable? Thought that was going to be another featured change @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler
They were purgable before, and continue to be purgable.[/color]Justice31st wrote: »purifying ritual healing nerfZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »- Cleansing Ritual:
- Increased the healing from the Purify synergy from this ability and its morphs by 12%.
while I do agree that this is a nerf, I think it goes a long way in bringing Templar healing more in-line with the healing abilities of other classes. it'll take some getting used to, but it shouldn't make Templar healers obsolete in any way.Justice31st wrote: »breath of life nerf
Can you explain to me why you inherently feel it necessary to bring templar healing more in line with the healing abilities of other classes? In your response, please explain coherently why it is that you consider this necessary and please elaborate on how other classes access to shields, better damage and mobility do or do not offset the pros/cons of templar's healing abilities being "out of line".....
... templars have a entire skill line dedication to healing, they should not be 'in line' with other classes in terms of healing? Otherwise they have a useless skill line.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...12 - Cleansing Ritual:
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Bossdonut✭✭✭✭✭emeraldbay wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »unpurgable siege weaponsZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »HeroOfNone wrote: »Are siege effects purgable? Thought that was going to be another featured change @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler
They were purgable before, and continue to be purgable.[/color]Justice31st wrote: »purifying ritual healing nerfZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »- Cleansing Ritual:
- Increased the healing from the Purify synergy from this ability and its morphs by 12%.
while I do agree that this is a nerf, I think it goes a long way in bringing Templar healing more in-line with the healing abilities of other classes. it'll take some getting used to, but it shouldn't make Templar healers obsolete in any way.Justice31st wrote: »breath of life nerf
It'll be fine if other classes use their newly buffed support skills to self sustain in pve. Problem there is, when pugging, I'm relying on other people to not be complete ***, and while this may come as a surprise, most people are complete ***.
So now when Captain DPS is standing in a red circle hard casting frags like a moron, I won't be able to BOL spam to keep him and his equally idiotic counterpart alive, resulting in me having to use shards and listen to them *** about me "sucking at healing."9 - Cleansing Ritual:
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Templars currently can pull very, very nice damage numbers—I know because more than a few friends of mine, both stamina and magicka-based, perform extremely well when we run content together. for DPS, Templars are great. I can't say much about Templar tanking, because I only know one or two of those; it's not impossible, but I cannot vouch for viability.emeraldbay wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »unpurgable siege weaponsZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »HeroOfNone wrote: »Are siege effects purgable? Thought that was going to be another featured change @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler
They were purgable before, and continue to be purgable.[/color]Justice31st wrote: »purifying ritual healing nerfZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »- Cleansing Ritual:
- Increased the healing from the Purify synergy from this ability and its morphs by 12%.
while I do agree that this is a nerf, I think it goes a long way in bringing Templar healing more in-line with the healing abilities of other classes. it'll take some getting used to, but it shouldn't make Templar healers obsolete in any way.Justice31st wrote: »breath of life nerf
Can you explain to me why you inherently feel it necessary to bring templar healing more in line with the healing abilities of other classes? In your response, please explain coherently why it is that you consider this necessary and please elaborate on how other classes access to shields, better damage and mobility do or do not offset the pros/cons of templar's healing abilities being "out of line".....
as for healing, Templars still have the advantage via passives and class skills that are tailored for healing builds. if you want to be the most optimal healer, you roll a Templar—this won't change after the patch. I do think that while Breath of Life will be receiving a nerf in the coming patch, it will still outperform Healing Ward (which is what I've used as my “oh ***!” button for every non-Templar healer I rolled), and will still be preferred. I think it merely brings the two skills closer to one another, and makes it so that spamming Breath of Life is no longer a viable tactic for every Templar “healer” out there.-T h e - A l d m e r i - I n i t i a t i v e-— O r d e r - o f - t h e - R a v y n —3 - Cleansing Ritual:
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xboxone1Q✭✭✭I have 1 guy it is a vet 16 Templar I was getting hamed on before this update. Now I don't play eso anymore cause ZOS and the community hates Templars.
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✭I am thinking my new templar will soon become my food/cloth/woodworking dispensary, and I will instead make a DK as my main. BOL was not the only heal I used in a pug, but it was the most reliable when the pugs were terrible and I did not want to take heat for their mistakes.4 -
Sicarius1988xSoul ShrivenSicarius1988x wrote: »I'm giving up on my Templar and re rolling a new class. I may end up joining the NB wagon....
Hmmm, NB's have been hit pretty hard with the current version on PTS too, the changes to mage light and cloak will hurt alot of NB builds.
I think DKs will be the Kings & Queens of 2016 if things remain largely as they are.....
My templar is currently crying himself to sleep, once he's done he'll probably go full DPS and never share his heals again....
I just notice today I have a level 47 sorcerer. I'll just work on that class rather than making a new character.0 -
akredon_ESO✭✭✭✭@emeraldbay , i templar tank and i have my Templar built for self sustain and its amazing
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awesome, I've always wanted to try a Templar tank.akredon_ESO wrote: »@emeraldbay , i templar tank and i have my Templar built for self sustain and its amazing
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Talyena✭✭✭✭I think a lot of templar healers are about to have to completely revisit their playstyle and build, much as tanks did with the stam regen nerf.
Actually, I think a lot of DPS are going to have to revisit their playstyle and build since their DPS will be severely hampered when lying face down in the dirt. BoL isn't a crutch for bad healers, it's what good healers use to keep poor DPS players (and sometimes poor tanks) upright.3 -
BullNetch✭✭✭Justice31st wrote: »emeraldbay wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »unpurgable siege weaponsZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »HeroOfNone wrote: »Are siege effects purgable? Thought that was going to be another featured change @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler
They were purgable before, and continue to be purgable.[/color]Justice31st wrote: »purifying ritual healing nerfZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »- Cleansing Ritual:
- Increased the healing from the Purify synergy from this ability and its morphs by 12%.
while I do agree that this is a nerf, I think it goes a long way in bringing Templar healing more in-line with the healing abilities of other classes. it'll take some getting used to, but it shouldn't make Templar healers obsolete in any way.Justice31st wrote: »breath of life nerf
Focused Healing: This passive ability now grants you the Major Mending buff while standing in your own Cleansing Ritual, Rune Focus, or Rite of Passage area effects and for up to 2/4 seconds after leaving them at Ranks I/II, instead of granting you 15/30% more healing to allies standing in your own Cleansing Ritual, Rune Focus, or Rite of Passage.
They''re pushing you to use radiant aura for the Major Intellect instead of rune focus.
Rite of Passage buffs itself.
Cleansing ritual will be the goto for the mending buff.0 - Cleansing Ritual:
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✭✭✭✭✭Sure hope no one gets hurt in the game. There won't be anyone around to heal 'em. Well, maybe two out of the three will get patched up. But the third? He's BoL SoL.
You are amazing.
And right.I think a lot of templar healers are about to have to completely revisit their playstyle and build, much as tanks did with the stam regen nerf.
Actually, I think a lot of DPS are going to have to revisit their playstyle and build since their DPS will be severely hampered when lying face down in the dirt. BoL isn't a crutch for bad healers, it's what good healers use to keep poor DPS players (and sometimes poor tanks) upright.
You are also amazing.
And correct.Edited by MissBizz on February 4, 2016 6:00AMLone Wolf HelpFor the solo players who know, sometimes you just need a hand.PC | NA | AD-DC-EP | Discord4 -
SemiD4rkness✭✭✭✭✭Justice31st wrote: »emeraldbay wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »unpurgable siege weaponsZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »HeroOfNone wrote: »Are siege effects purgable? Thought that was going to be another featured change @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler
They were purgable before, and continue to be purgable.[/color]Justice31st wrote: »purifying ritual healing nerfZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »- Cleansing Ritual:
- Increased the healing from the Purify synergy from this ability and its morphs by 12%.
while I do agree that this is a nerf, I think it goes a long way in bringing Templar healing more in-line with the healing abilities of other classes. it'll take some getting used to, but it shouldn't make Templar healers obsolete in any way.Justice31st wrote: »breath of life nerf
Focused Healing: This passive ability now grants you the Major Mending buff while standing in your own Cleansing Ritual, Rune Focus, or Rite of Passage area effects and for up to 2/4 seconds after leaving them at Ranks I/II, instead of granting you 15/30% more healing to allies standing in your own Cleansing Ritual, Rune Focus, or Rite of Passage.
They''re pushing you to use radiant aura for the Major Intellect instead of rune focus.
Rite of Passage buffs itself.
Cleansing ritual will be the goto for the mending buff.
And this will help stam templars a lot. Magicka templars got screwed over and stamplar slightly buffed. Magicka templars were indeed strong but no way in hell they deserved a nerf instead of sorcs or NBs.1 - Cleansing Ritual:
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AJ_1988✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »emeraldbay wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »unpurgable siege weaponsZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »HeroOfNone wrote: »Are siege effects purgable? Thought that was going to be another featured change @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler
They were purgable before, and continue to be purgable.[/color]Justice31st wrote: »purifying ritual healing nerfZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »- Cleansing Ritual:
- Increased the healing from the Purify synergy from this ability and its morphs by 12%.
while I do agree that this is a nerf, I think it goes a long way in bringing Templar healing more in-line with the healing abilities of other classes. it'll take some getting used to, but it shouldn't make Templar healers obsolete in any way.Justice31st wrote: »breath of life nerf
Can you explain to me why you inherently feel it necessary to bring templar healing more in line with the healing abilities of other classes? In your response, please explain coherently why it is that you consider this necessary and please elaborate on how other classes access to shields, better damage and mobility do or do not offset the pros/cons of templar's healing abilities being "out of line".....
... templars have a entire skill line dedication to healing, they should not be 'in line' with other classes in terms of healing? Otherwise they have a useless skill line.
Agree Templars should be the best healers. All our heals should be aoe imo. A nb with a resto staff should not be able to out heal a Templar using his skill line.1 - Cleansing Ritual:
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Alorier✭✭✭✭Oh well looks like PvP will end up being Nb vs Sorcs with the way Zos screw everything over2
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BackFreckle✭✭✭Imo, They shouldn't nerf what we have to bring things in line, they should buff the other classes to brings them in line. They're on the right path with the Dk changes in terms of healing but they nerf Nb healing when it's already weak compared to Templars. Now the only "special" thing that makes people run Templars are Shards and Repentence (aka only class to give stamina to other people which is a problem I think should be addressed)
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me_ming✭✭✭✭✭BoL nerf is really because in PvP it is quite an OP heal. But in dungeons/trials I don't think anyone can complain to it's effectiveness. Yeah, while it's true that most healers just spam the hell out of BoL without thought, and that it's high time for people to start rethinking how healers work in a group content, even the best healers in game will have to agree this nerf hurts. I wish they could just nerf it in PvP zones, but I suppose that's not possible. The way I look at it, it's time for everyone to either learn to avoid damage or slot themselves healing skills. Because you can no longer [just] rely on the templar's BoL to keep you alive. You see it's not just a nerf to templars it's a nerf to everyone's survivability. Or a buff so people would learn how to survive, which ever way you look at it. lol.
Personally, if they wanted to nerf BoL, they should have increased the magicka cost of it instead. That would stop people from spamming it. That makes more sense to me."We're heroes, my boon companion, and heroes always win! Let that be a lesson to you."
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✭BoL nerf is really because in PvP it is quite an OP heal. But in dungeons/trials I don't think anyone can complain to it's effectiveness. Yeah, while it's true that most healers just spam the hell out of BoL without thought, and that it's high time for people to start rethinking how healers work in a group content, even the best healers in game will have to agree this nerf hurts. I wish they could just nerf it in PvP zones, but I suppose that's not possible. The way I look at it, it's time for everyone to either learn to avoid damage or slot themselves healing skills. Because you can no longer [just] rely on the templar's BoL to keep you alive. You see it's not just a nerf to templars it's a nerf to everyone's survivability. Or a buff so people would learn how to survive, which ever way you look at it. lol.
Personally, if they wanted to nerf BoL, they should have increased the magicka cost of it instead. That would stop people from spamming it. That makes more sense to me.
It's gonna hurt those ones who jump in a stack of mobs and spamarina the most - lol they will die like half the time now because I've in the past Only used BOL to save their squishy backsides.1 -
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✭BoL nerf is really because in PvP it is quite an OP heal. But in dungeons/trials I don't think anyone can complain to it's effectiveness. Yeah, while it's true that most healers just spam the hell out of BoL without thought, and that it's high time for people to start rethinking how healers work in a group content, even the best healers in game will have to agree this nerf hurts. I wish they could just nerf it in PvP zones, but I suppose that's not possible. The way I look at it, it's time for everyone to either learn to avoid damage or slot themselves healing skills. Because you can no longer [just] rely on the templar's BoL to keep you alive. You see it's not just a nerf to templars it's a nerf to everyone's survivability. Or a buff so people would learn how to survive, which ever way you look at it. lol.
Personally, if they wanted to nerf BoL, they should have increased the magicka cost of it instead. That would stop people from spamming it. That makes more sense to me.
It's gonna hurt those ones who jump in a stack of mobs and spamarina the most - lol they will die like half the time now because I've in the past Only used BOL to save their squishy backsides.
They'd learn pretty quickly to change up. I'll be using Inhale more now that it's been buffed, and it'll help in this circumstanceI have departed into the great unknown that is outside the game and the forums, and wish you well in your Tamriel adventures!
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