Are you satisfied with the current system for racial bonuses?

Elhanan

I have tried to design this question to explore players' thoughts on the current SYSTEM for racial bonuses (not necessarily the bonuses themselves) in a minimally biased manner. I look forward to hearing your thoughts.

flguy147ub17_ESO

No, racial bonuses need to be removed

I think Racials should be completely removed. People should be able to play their favorite race without feeling gimp. Also with the magicka vs stamina system it makes only a few races good for builds. I think having something like you level up a certain weapon faster should be the only type of racials.

danno8

Other... (please feel free to elaborate)

Honestly I am OK with racial bonuses being strong, even if that means some races are simply better paired with some kinds of builds.

What bothers me is how they keep changing them from one big update to another, with some of them terrible, and with no way to change your race at all. That is simply not fair.

PrinceBoru

No

I'm Dunmer, and I like to play with fire.
The passives are key for me.

RoyJade

Yes, but racial bonuses need to be more balanced

The idea of playing everything as we want is destroyed by the current system, but I don't thing removed it entirely is a good idea. I would like to see a big decrease on these passives, in comparison with other passives (perhaps 5 time lower, like a 2% increase instead of a current 10%). Or a lower scaling over magicka/stamina pool (and lower health/recovery/damage passive).

xellink

Yes, but racial bonuses need to be more balanced

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

I think Racials should be completely removed. People should be able to play their favorite race without feeling gimp.

this is one of the few features this game stands out from others like wow, which is the worst offender. giving both active and passive bonuses.

eso only offers passives and takes the middle ground.

gw2 offers none (except 1 pve-only skill)

Whitebeerd

Yes

Thinks it fine like it is now, they should rather focus on more importent things, like more content/bugs/Pve/Guildtools/Imers and more fun stuff!

Fissh

Two year old conversation. Hard to be constructive at this point.
I want a base game over any more changes. The game 'meta' is in constant Flux more than it should be.

demendred

No

Are you not satisfied?!






No.

Iove

No, I would prefer a different system for racial bonuses entirely (please feel free to describe your ideal system in comments)

How about just letting someone choose them?

For example, throw all the current racials into the choice and sort them into tiers, 1 to 4.

Each player can choose 1 racial per tier.

Or just let us pick the race skill line no matter what race we are. So, a Khajiit spellcaster could use Breton racials instead.
Or they can just stick with Khajiit if they like those or must have them for immersion.

CP5

Other... (please feel free to elaborate)

I'm in the odd camp of thinking racial's should matter more. In a perfect world I would love to each race support a kind of 'style', where playing the race rewarded particular gameplay and provided unique traits that could be applied to most any build. Shame all we have now for racials are bland flat buffs and bonus exp for one skill line.

AngryNord

Yes, but racial bonuses need to be more balanced

nicab16_ESO wrote: »

How about just letting someone choose them?

For example, throw all the current racials into the choice and sort them into tiers, 1 to 4.

Each player can choose 1 racial per tier.

Or just let us pick the race skill line no matter what race we are. So, a Khajiit spellcaster could use Breton racials instead.
Or they can just stick with Khajiit if they like those or must have them for immersion.

This should only ever happen after Elder Scrolls has been removed from the game's title, and all references to Elder Scrolls and its lore from in-game

Acrolas

They need to be balanced more. Ideally, in a 3-race alliance, one would focus on magicka, one on stamina, and one on health.

Dunmer pulls double duty for Argonians who need a good magicka passive, and Bosmer and Khajiit passives just aren't as well-constructed for stamina or health as Altmer is for magicka.

Daggerfall has the best alliance balance by far. It's not perfect, but it really shouldn't ever be.

Rune_Relic

No, I would prefer a different system for racial bonuses entirely (please feel free to describe your ideal system in comments)

The racials are supposed to be Cosmetic and not tactical.
But ES has always had a token gesture for racial differnces.
That's what racials should be...minor token gestures to show the historical differnces between the races.
Nice to have but not game changing.
Not game changers for FOTM builds.

The way things are, people no longer adopt races for cosmetic or role playing reasons.
For most its a min/maxing thing instead now.

theher0not

No, I would prefer a different system for racial bonuses entirely (please feel free to describe your ideal system in comments)

I want racials to be non combat ones. Either faster learning or ones similar to argonians swim speed or khajiit/bosmer stealth (minus the bonus stealth dgm).

theher0not

No, I would prefer a different system for racial bonuses entirely (please feel free to describe your ideal system in comments)

nicab16_ESO wrote: »

How about just letting someone choose them?

For example, throw all the current racials into the choice and sort them into tiers, 1 to 4.

Each player can choose 1 racial per tier.

Or just let us pick the race skill line no matter what race we are. So, a Khajiit spellcaster could use Breton racials instead.
Or they can just stick with Khajiit if they like those or must have them for immersion.

That I would be fine with as long as you can change them for gold in game similar to skill/atribute resets

Iove

No, I would prefer a different system for racial bonuses entirely (please feel free to describe your ideal system in comments)

AngryNord wrote: »

nicab16_ESO wrote: »

How about just letting someone choose them?

For example, throw all the current racials into the choice and sort them into tiers, 1 to 4.

Each player can choose 1 racial per tier.

Or just let us pick the race skill line no matter what race we are. So, a Khajiit spellcaster could use Breton racials instead.
Or they can just stick with Khajiit if they like those or must have them for immersion.

This should only ever happen after Elder Scrolls has been removed from the game's title, and all references to Elder Scrolls and its lore from in-game

That's just a negative attitude, a character can be mixed race you know. Have seen khajiit married to
bosmer and I'm sure there's more, I don't see why you have such a massive problem with this, but you're ok with my khajiit Mage. I mean, not that you will ever know which passive a player has when you meet them in-game anyway.

Kammakazi

Yes

Yes, except for Breton's passives.

leepalmer95

Yes, but racial bonuses need to be more balanced

I'd prefer is there was some physical armour passives, for some reason class/race passives only give spell resistance, which considering stamina does the most dmg in pvp or such, i'm not sure why some classes/races don't have physical resistance.

My breton templar has spell resistance from being a breton/light armour and class passive but there no physical resistance to be seen.

Decayed_Inside

Yes, but racial bonuses need to be more balanced AND race changes should be allowed

I honestly wish i were free to decide if my character gets +10 magika or magika regen or stam. The special racial passive should stay the same but the other two i should get to pick

technohic

I have no opinion...

I have mixed feelings. Like race to matter but balance is an issue IMO and will swing wildly. So long as it matters and can swing with the wind though; I feel like you should be able to change when that happens and the character you made suddenly becomes something you never intended.

At the same time, I am kind of against just random shifting to chase the FOTM race that goes along with that. But then, if you don't have that, you just make it to whoever has time to reroll does it anyway while others feel more stuck.

I guess by the logic of being able to change races to fit what you want your character to be changing based on balance, you could say changing classes would be the same way. For that, I actually wish there were no classes so much. Maybe a choice to where if you select one ability, it then locks you out of several others but you can change and build how you want.

I just don't see any right or wrong answer here.

nordickittyhawk

No, racial bonuses need to be removed

i pressed wrong one "DOH!".

I personally think some races... are 100% out matched due to elemental dmg, meele dmg, crit and so on and some make no sense to there race?.

AD
high elf. Elemental and full magic passive = PASS

Woodelf. Stamina regen and sneaking = Pass

Khajiit. crit, stam/health regen and sneak = uh pass (why health regen thou)

DC
Breton. magic/decrease cost magic = pass.

Redguard. stam,stam regen and stam return = pass

Orc. Sprint speed, health regen and increase meele dmg= pass

EP (oh boy here we go)

Dark elf. fire dmg boost,stam/magic. = pass

Argonian. potion stat return?, health and healing recived... wait = FAILED. This is suppost be the healing/gorrilla warfare race... non of these make sense... its not even close to being either of these things.

Nord. Health regen, decrease dmg, frost reist and health. = Failed. The nords are known for being a threat on battlefield, the beserker. taking dmg and taking out lots. Im ok not having extra stam but 9% health? when imperials have 10%? there half my bloody size!. The health recovery is useless unless u want see health recovery build but...no one does that. This class need either melee dmg or extra stam as it stands... imperials are just upgraded nords. which i find baffling.

Strider_Roshin

No, I would prefer a different system for racial bonuses entirely (please feel free to describe your ideal system in comments)

Honestly, this has been said time and time again, but I think there should only be one madatory racial passive. The other two are acquired by filling out a questionnaire about your character's upbringing, and depending on your choices; will determine the other two passives.

This would be my ideal setup: Robust Constitution, Tough, and Rugged

So essentially a slightly better version of a Nord lol

SemiD4rkness

Yes

Very happy with them, just Nords and Argonian need help with their passives. I feel like all other races are viable depending on you playstyle. Dunmer will always be the go to Mag dk, high elf and breton make the best magicka builds and redguard, imperial, orc, woodelf and khajit make the best stamina ones.

Personofsecrets

build your own racials would be cool

RAGUNAnoOne

Yes, but racial bonuses need to be more balanced

Right now racials favor all dominion default races races 2 covenent races and leave the pact with the refuse. as I said before if the any race any alliance and imperial race didn't exist all else equal the dominion would always win and the pact would be in last place

RAGUNAnoOne

Yes, but racial bonuses need to be more balanced

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

i pressed wrong one "DOH!".

I personally think some races... are 100% out matched due to elemental dmg, meele dmg, crit and so on and some make no sense to there race?.

AD
high elf. Elemental and full magic passive = PASS

Woodelf. Stamina regen and sneaking = Pass

Khajiit. crit, stam/health regen and sneak = uh pass (why health regen thou)

DC
Breton. magic/decrease cost magic = pass.

Redguard. stam,stam regen and stam return = pass

Orc. Sprint speed, health regen and increase meele dmg= pass

EP (oh boy here we go)

Dark elf. fire dmg boost,stam/magic. = pass

Argonian. potion stat return?, health and healing recived... wait = FAILED. This is suppost be the healing/gorrilla warfare race... non of these make sense... its not even close to being either of these things.

Nord. Health regen, decrease dmg, frost reist and health. = Failed. The nords are known for being a threat on battlefield, the beserker. taking dmg and taking out lots. Im ok not having extra stam but 9% health? when imperials have 10%? there half my bloody size!. The health recovery is useless unless u want see health recovery build but...no one does that. This class need either melee dmg or extra stam as it stands... imperials are just upgraded nords. which i find baffling.

This guy has it right kudos to you

Dermestes

No

Fix Khajiit Carnage and maybe I'd be happier. I think the easiest balance is to remove all racial passives from the game.

Brrrofski

Yes, but racial bonuses need to be more balanced

ES have always had certain abilities and boosts to races.

So why shouldn't it be part of this one?

But, they need to be more balanced. I mean, nords and argonians are just jokes.

Brrrofski

Yes, but racial bonuses need to be more balanced

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

Nord. Health regen, decrease dmg, frost reist and health. = Failed. The nords are known for being a threat on battlefield, the beserker. taking dmg and taking out lots. Im ok not having extra stam but 9% health? when imperials have 10%? there half my bloody size!. The health recovery is useless unless u want see health recovery build but...no one does that. This class need either melee dmg or extra stam as it stands... imperials are just upgraded nords. which i find baffling.

Even as a health regen build, you'd be better off as orc as the other passives are a lot better

Elhanan

Yes, but racial bonuses need to be more balanced AND race changes should be allowed

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Honestly, this has been said time and time again, but I think there should only be one madatory racial passive. The other two are acquired by filling out a questionnaire about your character's upbringing, and depending on your choices; will determine the other two passives.

I love that idea. Stay true to some of the core racial principles, but also provide some flexibility (which could be easier to balance).