ZOS, this is not a free cell phone game!!

Dawnblade

Horse training and research are my two banes, given that no amount of time spent in game can progress them faster than designed - and not only that, but they both require logging in at specific intervals to progress or one falls further behind.

And for the 'it takes time to learn how to ride' crowd - that makes zero sense considering player A can log in for 30 seconds once every 20 hours and pay an NPC and end up more skilled at horses than player B who spent hours riding a horse across Tamriel.

Anyways, I can deal with the limitation - though I find the inability to even have a catch-up / stored training (e.g. can't log on for 4 days, next time you log on you can train 4-5 times) WHILE having a bypass offered for cash a bit lame.

I'd love to see something like stored training 'points' when offline (like Enlightenment), in-game ability to gain skill beyond once every 20 hour (progressively higher fees / use the horse to skill up), training apply to entire account (or even being able to pay once on one character for all instead of watching loading screens to cycle alts to 'train' horses).

MrDerrikk

Islyn wrote: »

Decayed_Inside wrote: »

I rush through and have everything. See my 7 characters for reference. I lose out on nothing so save it for your significant other nags

What a weird comment....

They were referring to my comment above a bit...but I no longer care as I see we disagree and that there's no point in trying to change his mind

Islyn

MrDerrikk wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

Decayed_Inside wrote: »

I rush through and have everything. See my 7 characters for reference. I lose out on nothing so save it for your significant other nags

What a weird comment....

They were referring to my comment above a bit...but I no longer care as I see we disagree and that there's no point in trying to change his mind

Oh I see...I was all *what now?*

istateres

sirrmattus wrote: »

I can't believe some of you people are ok with a full horse upgrade taking 2400 hours or $180

I don't know what you are smoking, but it costs $0 to fully upgrade your riding skills. 250 gold each day, or 45000 gold total, no real money at all. Of course that takes 180 days.

You want it faster, oh the shock. That costs money. Guess what? That's how a BTP game should work. A balance of time versus $$. You want it faster, you pay. Otherwise you can have it slower.

You want that Imperial Motif? Grind dressers (and the like) and hope to get luck (time) or fork over some cash. Or pay $50k in a guild store.

You don't have to pay ANY money to play this game after you've bought it. You can get anything in game, just don't expect it tomorrow for nothing.

Stonesthrow

Dawnblade wrote: »

Horse training and research are my two banes, given that no amount of time spent in game can progress them faster than designed - and not only that, but they both require logging in at specific intervals to progress or one falls further behind.

Fall behind on what? If you haven't been playing since launch, you will always be "behind" someone.

And for the 'it takes time to learn how to ride' crowd - that makes zero sense considering player A can log in for 30 seconds once every 20 hours and pay an NPC and end up more skilled at horses than player B who spent hours riding a horse across Tamriel.

Pretty sure we weren't saying you had to actually "learn" how to steer the mount or that hours spent riding the silly thing mattered, just that it should take time to "learn" the skill. It's not that big of a deal… a lot of us have done it, back when bread cost a nickel and we walked to school uphill both ways.

Anyways, I can deal with the limitation - though I find the inability to even have a catch-up / stored training (e.g. can't log on for 4 days, next time you log on you can train 4-5 times) WHILE having a bypass offered for cash a bit lame.

Not a bad idea, with a limit of a couple of days or something, not weeks or months.

I'd love to see something like stored training 'points' when offline (like Enlightenment), in-game ability to gain skill beyond once every 20 hour (progressively higher fees / use the horse to skill up), training apply to entire account (or even being able to pay once on one character for all instead of watching loading screens to cycle alts to 'train' horses).

Training your account to ride… no. Just no. Sharing dyes account wide is one thing, training? No.

As for all at once… what the heck for? It's a game. An MMO which by it's nature is designed for "developing" a character, leveling, training, experiencing... Slow your life down a bit and enjoy it.

Just my opinion of course.

Decayed_Inside

It could be considered P2W in pvp or it could be considered P2die if you ride up on an enemy zerg too quickly luls

sirrmattus

Creating a new toon and riding its horse makes me claustrophobic. Just sayin

svartorn

Welcome to the new world of gaming. Microtransactions are where the money is and video game companies are not going to stop.

Stonesthrow

Decayed_Inside wrote: »

It could be considered P2W in pvp or it could be considered P2die if you ride up on an enemy zerg too quickly luls

They best hope they bought the stamina package as well then… haha.

Kadoozy

MrDerrikk wrote: »

If you don't just grind your char to VR16 as fast as possible and play the game the way they designed you to, then this wouldn't be nearly as much of a problem.

lots of people have already played the game the way its meant. I have maxed two characters now and have no intention of doing another until vr ranks are removed. it isnt fun after you have done it the first time.

sirrmattus

Stonesthrow wrote: »

Decayed_Inside wrote: »

It could be considered P2W in pvp or it could be considered P2die if you ride up on an enemy zerg too quickly luls

They best hope they bought the stamina package as well then… haha.

exactly. the worst part is the 5min stun if you get knocked off

Ackwalan

Being able to just pay up and instantly max upgrade, is what a 'free cell phone' game is.

sirrmattus

Ackwalan wrote: »

Being able to just pay up and instantly max upgrade, is what a 'free cell phone' game is.

so are you for or against it?

Mojmir

Ffs why does everyone want a slow crawl,this is why people leave,*** takes too long. I can level a character in magic faster than riding a *** horse? I learned how to ride a horse in RL faster than this.and if you think getting from A to B is P2W get a clue.i got a madcatz mouse is that P2w too? So tired of the P2w argument being thrown around.

Acrolas

Rapid maneuvers can be unlocked after only a few hours of play.

Also OP is incredibly flawed because most people actually do something for those 2080 hours of work. To just log in and upgrade your horse is probably 4 minutes a day for 120 days, which is only 12 hours. 0.5% of 2400. 0.58% of 2080.

Statistically negligible amounts of effort relative to what it's being compared to.

sirrmattus

Acrolas wrote: »

Rapid maneuvers can be unlocked after only a few hours of play.

Also OP is incredibly flawed because most people actually do something for those 2080 hours of work. To just log in and upgrade your horse is probably 4 minutes a day for 120 days, which is only 12 hours. 0.5% of 2400. 0.58% of 2080.

Statistically negligible amounts of effort relative to what it's being compared to.

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WalkingLegacy

Worse horse system in any game period.

I don't log on every day to upgrade my mount, I log on to play fun combat.

*I don't log on every day anyways, thus the 50 days per skill line is probably more like 100 days.

Stonesthrow

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Worse horse system in any game period.

I don't log on every day to upgrade my mount, I log on to play fun combat.

*I don't log on every day anyways, thus the 50 days per skill line is probably more like 100 days.

They have stables in Cyrodill, takes like 30 secs of your time… and it's 60 per skill so more like 120 days.

sirrmattus

Stonesthrow wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Worse horse system in any game period.

I don't log on every day to upgrade my mount, I log on to play fun combat.

*I don't log on every day anyways, thus the 50 days per skill line is probably more like 100 days.

They have stables in Cyrodill, takes like 30 secs of your time… and it's 60 per skill so more like 120 days.

60x3 = 180

Unsent.Soul

sirrmattus wrote: »

I can't believe some of you people are ok with a full horse upgrade taking 2400 hours or $180

Come on... you aren't sitting in front of your pc/console for 2400 hours.... of all things to kick and scream about this has to be the most entertaining, that's for sure.

Thanks for laugh.

Stoshe160

If someone wants to pay $180 to make their virtual horse run faster, let them pay and enjoy their ride. I would probably pay too if I had money.
But that doesn't make me angry if other people does that.

I don't have many experimence in pvp, so I don't know much is mount upgrade important, but honestly making thing easy would take all the fun (and feeling of accomplishment) out of it.

I got a feeling that nobody enjoys the game here.

Mojmir

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

I can't believe some of you people are ok with a full horse upgrade taking 2400 hours or $180

Come on... you aren't sitting in front of your pc/console for 2400 hours.... of all things to kick and scream about this has to be the most entertaining, that's for sure.

Thanks for laugh.

the point isn't sitting there, its the timer and how long it takes.

Mojmir

Stoshe160 wrote: »

If someone wants to pay $180 to make their virtual horse run faster, let them pay and enjoy their ride. I would probably pay too if I had money.
But that doesn't make me angry if other people does that.

I don't have many experimence in pvp, so I don't know much is mount upgrade important, but honestly making thing easy would take all the fun (and feeling of accomplishment) out of it.

I got a feeling that nobody enjoys the game here.

when you take something as trivial as mount speed (trait research is another issue as well, but for another forum post) it hinders the fun. id be happy if they just made the training account wide.

RatedChaotic

My mount if fully upgraded on my v16. Wish I didnt have to upgrade my alts. Going from a fast mount to a slow mount really sucks. But s+h+i+t happens.

sirrmattus

Mojmir wrote: »

Stoshe160 wrote: »

If someone wants to pay $180 to make their virtual horse run faster, let them pay and enjoy their ride. I would probably pay too if I had money.
But that doesn't make me angry if other people does that.

I don't have many experimence in pvp, so I don't know much is mount upgrade important, but honestly making thing easy would take all the fun (and feeling of accomplishment) out of it.

I got a feeling that nobody enjoys the game here.

when you take something as trivial as mount speed (trait research is another issue as well, but for another forum post) it hinders the fun. id be happy if they just made the training account wide.

especially if youve bought the scrolls for your main

Stoshe160

Mojmir wrote: »

Stoshe160 wrote: »

If someone wants to pay $180 to make their virtual horse run faster, let them pay and enjoy their ride. I would probably pay too if I had money.
But that doesn't make me angry if other people does that.

I don't have many experimence in pvp, so I don't know much is mount upgrade important, but honestly making thing easy would take all the fun (and feeling of accomplishment) out of it.

I got a feeling that nobody enjoys the game here.

when you take something as trivial as mount speed (trait research is another issue as well, but for another forum post) it hinders the fun. id be happy if they just made the training account wide.

Well, that would be cool, yes.

RatedChaotic

Mojmir wrote: »

Stoshe160 wrote: »

If someone wants to pay $180 to make their virtual horse run faster, let them pay and enjoy their ride. I would probably pay too if I had money.
But that doesn't make me angry if other people does that.

I don't have many experimence in pvp, so I don't know much is mount upgrade important, but honestly making thing easy would take all the fun (and feeling of accomplishment) out of it.

I got a feeling that nobody enjoys the game here.

when you take something as trivial as mount speed (trait research is another issue as well, but for another forum post) it hinders the fun. id be happy if they just made the training account wide.

In 30 days I can finally make Twice Born Star set. Oh wait only 3 pieces of it. Really?

Zapranoth

Heh... I like that this game isn't just a quick leveling system. I'm just now getting to the point where two of my characters have maxed mount skills. Besides, a slow ride through such a beautiful game is entertaining as well

Zap

sirrmattus

Zapranoth wrote: »

Heh... I like that this game isn't just a quick leveling system. I'm just now getting to the point where two of my characters have maxed mount skills. Besides, a slow ride through such a beautiful game is entertaining as well

Zap

NOT ALL OF US HAVE TIME FOR A SLOW RIDE THROUGH THE BEAUTIFUL WORLD

Lenikus

Just log in once every 20 hours, like teh rest of us.