What tooltip dmg are people jabs/sweeping pulling?

leepalmer95 · January 2016

Specifically for pvp as i'm hoping it can actually do dmg and not tickle them.

I understand it's useless vs shields though and someone said they aren't critting on console? Thats a big problem there as that makes them uselesss vs sorc, useless to kill any magicka build because of healing ward and it's useless me using juliannos.

Someone said 1k is nice but isn't that only about 10k per channel? Even with burning light and you actually landing all 4 of them thats still quite a bit lower than wb and wb empowers itself and has a longer cc.

Dark flare seems to just be doing more dmg flat out.

SemiD4rkness · January 2016

I think it's near 1k but really just don't use this skill it's horrible in pvp. It's only good vs nightblades and perma blockers but that's about it. Although if you're magplar it's actually worth it.

leepalmer95 · January 2016

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

I think it's near 1k but really just don't use this skill it's horrible in pvp. It's only good vs nightblades and perma blockers but that's about it. Although if you're magplar it's actually worth it.

Well my magplar is wearing some random green stuff at the moment has about 30k magicka and 1600 spell dmg in pvp and it's doing 800~, it's effective vs nb's, my dark flare does about 10k as well which is useful.

Hoping when i hit v1 and actually craft some stuff i'll have 50%~ crit 35k magicka, 1800~ recovery, 3k+ spell power then it'll actually be effective.

SirDopey · January 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

I think it's near 1k but really just don't use this skill it's horrible in pvp. It's only good vs nightblades and perma blockers but that's about it. Although if you're magplar it's actually worth it.

Well my magplar is wearing some random green stuff at the moment has about 30k magicka and 1600 spell dmg in pvp and it's doing 800~, it's effective vs nb's, my dark flare does about 10k as well which is useful.

Hoping when i hit v1 and actually craft some stuff i'll have 50%~ crit 35k magicka, 1800~ recovery, 3k+ spell power then it'll actually be effective.

Don't believe you can pull those numbers on a templar???

leepalmer95 · January 2016

SirDopey wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

I think it's near 1k but really just don't use this skill it's horrible in pvp. It's only good vs nightblades and perma blockers but that's about it. Although if you're magplar it's actually worth it.

Well my magplar is wearing some random green stuff at the moment has about 30k magicka and 1600 spell dmg in pvp and it's doing 800~, it's effective vs nb's, my dark flare does about 10k as well which is useful.

Hoping when i hit v1 and actually craft some stuff i'll have 50%~ crit 35k magicka, 1800~ recovery, 3k+ spell power then it'll actually be effective.

Don't believe you can pull those numbers on a templar???

Well he's managed 35k magicka, 1600~ regen (not a vamp), 3k buffed spell dmg and 40% crit.

xellink · January 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Someone said 1k is nice but isn't that only about 10k per channel? Even with burning light and you actually landing all 4 of them thats still quite a bit lower than wb and wb empowers itself and has a longer cc.

Dark flare seems to just be doing more dmg flat out.

1k is a little on the weakside, usually i get close to 2k, i generally prefer biting jabs (stamina) though

1. slot in evil hunter and burning light to proc, which adds a few k damage and gives u critical.
2. Use dual wield for more critical.
3. Use werewolf passive.
4. Use power of the light before spiking, it will burst damage at the end of the second jabs.

Keep pressing 1 to win.

leepalmer95 · January 2016

xellink wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Someone said 1k is nice but isn't that only about 10k per channel? Even with burning light and you actually landing all 4 of them thats still quite a bit lower than wb and wb empowers itself and has a longer cc.

Dark flare seems to just be doing more dmg flat out.

1k is a little on the weakside, usually i get close to 2k, i generally prefer biting jabs (stamina) though

1. slot in evil hunter and burning light to proc, which adds a few k damage and gives u critical.
2. Use dual wield for more critical.
3. Use werewolf passive.
4. Use power of the light before spiking, it will burst damage at the end of the second jabs.

Keep pressing 1 to win.

Magicka ^^

Your tooltip says 2k... what? xD

so 2000 + 2800(140%) your doing 4800 per hit with a jab and thats without burning light proc?

xellink · January 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Magicka ^^

Your tooltip says 2k... what? xD

so 2000 + 2800(140%) your doing 4800 per hit with a jab and thats without burning light proc?

Title says jab/sweep. Sweep is magicka, jab is stamina.

Stamina does more damage than magicka in my experience. It doesn't reach 2k, unless crit, but close. usually the tool tip procs 1.8k on average, bad days 1.5 k, good days 2k.

Even if i don't eat food or use potion or have werewolf, i already get 1.1k on the tooltip. there may be other passives affecting it, interrupt +15%, i don't know but unlikely for the numbers to be so consistent.

The way i do it:
Werewolf increases weapon damage 18%, put all ur points in stamina, food in stamina, potion of weapon crit and weapon damage, evil hunter.

Haven't tried with momentum yet but i prefer dw for the crits.

SirDopey · January 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

SirDopey wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

I think it's near 1k but really just don't use this skill it's horrible in pvp. It's only good vs nightblades and perma blockers but that's about it. Although if you're magplar it's actually worth it.

Well my magplar is wearing some random green stuff at the moment has about 30k magicka and 1600 spell dmg in pvp and it's doing 800~, it's effective vs nb's, my dark flare does about 10k as well which is useful.

Hoping when i hit v1 and actually craft some stuff i'll have 50%~ crit 35k magicka, 1800~ recovery, 3k+ spell power then it'll actually be effective.

Don't believe you can pull those numbers on a templar???

Well he's managed 35k magicka, 1600~ regen (not a vamp), 3k buffed spell dmg and 40% crit.

Yeah, that seems about right, to get more in any of those fields you have to start taking away from others. For instance mine has about 32K magicka, 1980 regen (vamp), 2.6K spell dmg unbuffed, 65% crit. You'll be able to get close to your original wishes but I think you'll have to settle for 3/4, I don't think you can get 4/4 of what you wanted, if you do, please share with me =D

leepalmer95 · January 2016

SirDopey wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

SirDopey wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

I think it's near 1k but really just don't use this skill it's horrible in pvp. It's only good vs nightblades and perma blockers but that's about it. Although if you're magplar it's actually worth it.

Well my magplar is wearing some random green stuff at the moment has about 30k magicka and 1600 spell dmg in pvp and it's doing 800~, it's effective vs nb's, my dark flare does about 10k as well which is useful.

Hoping when i hit v1 and actually craft some stuff i'll have 50%~ crit 35k magicka, 1800~ recovery, 3k+ spell power then it'll actually be effective.

Don't believe you can pull those numbers on a templar???

Well he's managed 35k magicka, 1600~ regen (not a vamp), 3k buffed spell dmg and 40% crit.

Yeah, that seems about right, to get more in any of those fields you have to start taking away from others. For instance mine has about 32K magicka, 1980 regen (vamp), 2.6K spell dmg unbuffed, 65% crit. You'll be able to get close to your original wishes but I think you'll have to settle for 3/4, I don't think you can get 4/4 of what you wanted, if you do, please share with me =D

Curious what gear your using and is it all gold v16?

I'm not sure if it's even wroth getting him to v16, it's a lot of effort and i'm about done with grinding.

akredon_ESO · January 2016

My tool tip right now is sitting at roughly 1400. Thats with Rally up and me dual wielding

leepalmer95 · January 2016

akredon_ESO wrote: »

My tool tip right now is sitting at roughly 1400. Thats with Rally up and me dual wielding

Is your gear the same level as you? Thats important for battle leveling.

arcantonias · January 2016

xellink wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Someone said 1k is nice but isn't that only about 10k per channel? Even with burning light and you actually landing all 4 of them thats still quite a bit lower than wb and wb empowers itself and has a longer cc.

Dark flare seems to just be doing more dmg flat out.

1k is a little on the weakside, usually i get close to 2k, i generally prefer biting jabs (stamina) though

1. slot in evil hunter and burning light to proc, which adds a few k damage and gives u critical.
2. Use dual wield for more critical.
3. Use werewolf passive.
4. Use power of the light before spiking, it will burst damage at the end of the second jabs.

Keep pressing 1 to win.

evil hunter crit buff, potion crit buff and jabs crit buff are all the same buff and do not stack.
werewolf does not give you any extra weapon damage unless you are in werewolf form.
also the weapon damage buff from potions and momentum is also the same buff and will not stack.

AJ_1988 · January 2016

Atm my sweeps are doing just under 900 per strike so x4 = 3600. I'm not fully geared atm for max damage until I sort my gear out. Going stam I can't the hand to do roughly 1.2k a strike not fully geared. Pointless against shields like OP said

AOECAPS · January 2016

xellink wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Magicka ^^

Your tooltip says 2k... what? xD

so 2000 + 2800(140%) your doing 4800 per hit with a jab and thats without burning light proc?

Title says jab/sweep. Sweep is magicka, jab is stamina.

Stamina does more damage than magicka in my experience. It doesn't reach 2k, unless crit, but close. usually the tool tip procs 1.8k on average, bad days 1.5 k, good days 2k.

Even if i don't eat food or use potion or have werewolf, i already get 1.1k on the tooltip. there may be other passives affecting it, interrupt +15%, i don't know but unlikely for the numbers to be so consistent.

The way i do it:
Werewolf increases weapon damage 18%, put all ur points in stamina, food in stamina, potion of weapon crit and weapon damage, evil hunter.

Haven't tried with momentum yet but i prefer dw for the crits.

Lol no just no

xellink · January 2016

xellink wrote: »

evil hunter crit buff, potion crit buff and jabs crit buff are all the same buff and do not stack.
werewolf does not give you any extra weapon damage unless you are in werewolf form.
also the weapon damage buff from potions and momentum is also the same buff and will not stack.

Pretty sure you receive the passive bonuses of WW/vamp when a WW/vamp ability is slotted on your active bar. When did they change that?

1) I agree that jabs crit buff and evil hunter crit buff overlap, but the first jab will not receive the crit buff
2) Major Brutality potion, not crit my bad.
3) Last i checked werewolf passives were working with just the ult slotted in. Unless it was changed. I will have to check again, will test it again and get back w results.

Edit: Just tested it. No werewolf passive doesn't work

Its probably the logo not removed from my buff list instead of an actual buff

AOECAPS · January 2016

The 18% weapon damage is only in WW form
Major brutality potions don't stack with momentum,rally etc
Me thinks someone was fibbing about their jab damage

Nifty2g · January 2016

post a screenshot, highest i can get my sweeps to is 1650 not sure how one can get close to 2k

AOECAPS · January 2016

Maybe with weapon damage glyph,warrior stone, 5 hundings weapon damage jewelry glyphs max food all 64 points in Stam kena procced.

xellink · January 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

post a screenshot, highest i can get my sweeps to is 1650 not sure how one can get close to 2k

screenies during a jab in the middle of combat? i didn't say 2k, i said close to: 1.8k is what i get usually, 2k in unusual situations and 1.5k on certain targets. i need to respec my temp into dps again and repeat if i need to/pts and post a screenie, will take some time. i can tell u what my build was.

Based on my old build, i can tell u i run
main bar
Ransack (sometimes i remove this), Shielded Assault, POTL, BOL, blazing shield, remembrance
2nd bar
Shrouded daggers, Jabs, Evil hunter, Vigor, ?some defensive skill?, ?werewolf?

I always thought it was werewolf but it doesn't seem to be working. I remember seeing a buff on my character sheet.
Armor definitely has hundings. I didn't equip molag kena because i only bought imperial city after i played tank. All pts in stamina. I run redguard too.

tplink3r1 · January 2016

SirDopey wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

I think it's near 1k but really just don't use this skill it's horrible in pvp. It's only good vs nightblades and perma blockers but that's about it. Although if you're magplar it's actually worth it.

Well my magplar is wearing some random green stuff at the moment has about 30k magicka and 1600 spell dmg in pvp and it's doing 800~, it's effective vs nb's, my dark flare does about 10k as well which is useful.

Hoping when i hit v1 and actually craft some stuff i'll have 50%~ crit 35k magicka, 1800~ recovery, 3k+ spell power then it'll actually be effective.

Don't believe you can pull those numbers on a templar???

You can.
I had 41k magicka, 1600 recovery(5pc heavy, 1L, 1M) and around 3k spell power on my old magicka build.
I think i could easily get to 1800 regen with 5pc light.

topic: 1146 damage with my stamina build and something like 1200 with magicka.

leepalmer95 · January 2016

xellink wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

post a screenshot, highest i can get my sweeps to is 1650 not sure how one can get close to 2k

screenies during a jab in the middle of combat? i didn't say 2k, i said close to: 1.8k is what i get usually, 2k in unusual situations and 1.5k on certain targets. i need to respec my temp into dps again and repeat if i need to/pts and post a screenie, will take some time. i can tell u what my build was.

Based on my old build, i can tell u i run
main bar
Ransack (sometimes i remove this), Shielded Assault, POTL, BOL, blazing shield, remembrance
2nd bar
Shrouded daggers, Jabs, Evil hunter, Vigor, ?some defensive skill?, ?werewolf?

I always thought it was werewolf but it doesn't seem to be working. I remember seeing a buff on my character sheet.
Armor definitely has hundings. I didn't equip molag kena because i only bought imperial city after i played tank. All pts in stamina. I run redguard too.

Are you going off tooltip dmg or off dmg numbers when you hit someone?

Molag_Crow · January 2016

At the moment, it's 1132 tooltip damage. 2489 spell damage, 34k magicka and just 75 CP into Thaumaturge

(while not in cyrodiil, so no scroll buffs etc)

danno8 · January 2016

With 37k magicka, 2315 unbuffed SP, my tooltip is at exactly 1200. 100 in Thaumaturgy.

I learned a long time ago to ignore tooltips and only use the actual reported damage from addons. It hits for around 2600-2800 depending on the mobs, so the damage +140% seems to be about right.

edit: With both major and minor Sorcery SP is at 2893, and the tooltip is at 1317

AOECAPS · January 2016

xellink wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

post a screenshot, highest i can get my sweeps to is 1650 not sure how one can get close to 2k

screenies during a jab in the middle of combat? i didn't say 2k, i said close to: 1.8k is what i get usually, 2k in unusual situations and 1.5k on certain targets. i need to respec my temp into dps again and repeat if i need to/pts and post a screenie, will take some time. i can tell u what my build was.

Based on my old build, i can tell u i run
main bar
Ransack (sometimes i remove this), Shielded Assault, POTL, BOL, blazing shield, remembrance
2nd bar
Shrouded daggers, Jabs, Evil hunter, Vigor, ?some defensive skill?, ?werewolf?

I always thought it was werewolf but it doesn't seem to be working. I remember seeing a buff on my character sheet.
Armor definitely has hundings. I didn't equip molag kena because i only bought imperial city after i played tank. All pts in stamina. I run redguard too.

Yea it's not that high in the tooltip.

CatchMeTrolling · January 2016

Not understanding how it says over 1200 on anyone tooltip when if I'm fully buffed it's not higher. Though max magicka plays a big role too, I have 3k SD fully buffed.

leepalmer95 · January 2016

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Not understanding how it says over 1200 on anyone tooltip when if I'm fully buffed it's not higher. Though max magicka plays a big role too, I have 3k SD fully buffed.

Well people could use inner light etc...

Just to buff up dmg, 1k magicka = 100 spell power ~

danno8 · January 2016

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Not understanding how it says over 1200 on anyone tooltip when if I'm fully buffed it's not higher. Though max magicka plays a big role too, I have 3k SD fully buffed.

Personally I think max magicka/stamina should not contribute to damage, but ZoS has figured it's a good idea.

But I could go higher if I wished. My health is at 20,000 with 9 points in attributes, 1 jewelry with health enchant, several tri-stat glyphs on my armor. I am also using Atronach for regen (around 2070) instead of damage oriented ones.

Also I am using Krag/Magnus so my crit is only 42-49% depending on my weapon attribute, other builds will have much higher crit than mine at the expense of damage/sustain.

leepalmer95 · January 2016

danno8 wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Not understanding how it says over 1200 on anyone tooltip when if I'm fully buffed it's not higher. Though max magicka plays a big role too, I have 3k SD fully buffed.

Personally I think max magicka/stamina should not contribute to damage, but ZoS has figured it's a good idea.

But I could go higher if I wished. My health is at 20,000 with 9 points in attributes, 1 jewelry with health enchant, several tri-stat glyphs on my armor. I am also using Atronach for regen (around 2070) instead of damage oriented ones.

Also I am using Krag/Magnus so my crit is only 42-49% depending on my weapon attribute, other builds will have much higher crit than mine at the expense of damage/sustain.

I've never been comforable with 20k hp on a light armour build without shields, too much high burst dmg from sorc/nb's and wb going around.

DividendGamer · January 2016

I think my tooltip is around 1201 for puncturing sweeps (on dual wield bar) sitting around with v15 purple tri-food in pvp.

I made an Imperial when the game launched on ps4, to be able to play both specs.

I mainly and currently play magicka spec.

Have, 100 in thaumaturge, all but two pieces of gear are gold, running 7 hakeijo runes in armor and shield.

Using kag's for gear(impen on all), one piece molag kena, can't get a helmet to drop to save my life lol

If I was using the other set I made : Law of Julianos, it is all made with just magicka runes, my tooltip is only 61 points higher.

So I would rather have the added health and survivability that kag's provides and all the extra health and stamina from the hakeijo runes.

SirDopey · January 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

SirDopey wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

SirDopey wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

I think it's near 1k but really just don't use this skill it's horrible in pvp. It's only good vs nightblades and perma blockers but that's about it. Although if you're magplar it's actually worth it.

Well my magplar is wearing some random green stuff at the moment has about 30k magicka and 1600 spell dmg in pvp and it's doing 800~, it's effective vs nb's, my dark flare does about 10k as well which is useful.

Hoping when i hit v1 and actually craft some stuff i'll have 50%~ crit 35k magicka, 1800~ recovery, 3k+ spell power then it'll actually be effective.

Don't believe you can pull those numbers on a templar???

Well he's managed 35k magicka, 1600~ regen (not a vamp), 3k buffed spell dmg and 40% crit.

Yeah, that seems about right, to get more in any of those fields you have to start taking away from others. For instance mine has about 32K magicka, 1980 regen (vamp), 2.6K spell dmg unbuffed, 65% crit. You'll be able to get close to your original wishes but I think you'll have to settle for 3/4, I don't think you can get 4/4 of what you wanted, if you do, please share with me =D

Curious what gear your using and is it all gold v16?

I'm not sure if it's even wroth getting him to v16, it's a lot of effort and i'm about done with grinding.

I'm using TBS,1 pc Kena, 3 pc will power, 3 piece Seducer - all gold VR16 divines. I've tweaked it since I last posted. I'm now running attro and theif. My stats are 40K Magic, 21K health, 2.4K SD unbuffed, 1800 regen and 65% crit with health and magic food. Depending on what im doing I switch between health / magic food and health / mag regen.

I'm not entirely sure this build is better than julianos now that I've dropped shadow.....