So is PvE always going to be priority over PvP?

TheBonesXXX · January 2016

1) Isolated PVP
2) Then the zone is laggy and gets no fixed, meanwhile content is rolled out from the heavens for PvE
3) Cash Shop and Fluff over fixes that should be priority
4) Three Banners Cannon absolutely demolished
5) Took two years to finally squash buff servers only to have them turn into farm servers so people can "be at peace" in a war zone
6) Removal of the PVP aspect of the Justice system, so some someone can steal to their hearts desire in peace

Do you see where I'm going with this? Every game I've played its always PvPers getting the shaft.

Simple yes or no ZoS, if you cannot provide the same adequate experience for PVPers as the PVErs have then we can go else where.

Aimora · January 2016

Well to me this indicates where ZOS is making money or it would be the other way round

Asherons_Call · January 2016

MMORPG games are PVE first. FPS games are PVP first. Both can mix in elements of the other of course

Sallington · January 2016

Asherons_Call wrote: »

MMORPG games are PVE first. FPS games are PVP first. Both can mix in elements of the other of course

That's sure as *** not how ESO was advertised.

Resipsa131 · January 2016

Sallington wrote: »

Asherons_Call wrote: »

MMORPG games are PVE first. FPS games are PVP first. Both can mix in elements of the other of course

That's sure as *** not how ESO was advertised.

Now you know and can make your investment in time and money accordingly.

Lysette · January 2016

And it is easier to satisfy PvE players. Just look at this forum, do you see a lot of PvEer complaining about PvE content?- The loudest and most complaining group are PvPer. Do you think this makes ZOS even want to do something in this context?- Because regardless what they do, there will be some complaining about it and the whining will never end. This is no fun for ZOS and I think as well that the attitude of "I give a damn about the PvE content" is not making the developers happy. Those are people as well at ZOS, they need some praise for their work - you PvPer in the forum do not give them any praise at all.

Just think about it. It might be a matter of attitude as well.

Aimora · January 2016

Lysette wrote: »

And it is easier to satisfy PvE players. Just look at this forum, do you see a lot of PvEer complaining about PvE content?- The loudest and most complaining group are PvPer. Do you think this makes ZOS even want to do something in this context?- Because regardless what they do, there will be some complaining about it and the whining will never end. This is no fun for ZOS and I think as well that the attitude of "I give a damn about the PvE content" is not making the developers happy. Those are people as well at ZOS, they need some praise for their work - you PvPer in the forum do not give them any praise at all.

Just think about it. It might be a matter of attitude as well.

Great post

Zorrashi · January 2016

Asherons_Call wrote: »

MMORPG games are PVE first. FPS games are PVP first. Both can mix in elements of the other of course

Not true. Several games dedicate rhemselves to the PvP aspect and design accordingly.
But in ESOs case, they want to have both the PvP crowd and the PvE crowd and seem to have trouble accommodating them both. Personally I think it is simply a matter of technical ability--or lack thereof.
I'm starting to doubt that they even an fix the PvP lag. But they are continuously investigating the issue so that's a start.
PvE content is simply...easier for them to do (imo).

Wollust · January 2016

Lysette wrote: »

And it is easier to satisfy PvE players. Just look at this forum, do you see a lot of PvEer complaining about PvE content?- The loudest and most complaining group are PvPer. Do you think this makes ZOS even want to do something in this context?- Because regardless what they do, there will be some complaining about it and the whining will never end. This is no fun for ZOS and I think as well that the attitude of "I give a damn about the PvE content" is not making the developers happy. Those are people as well at ZOS, they need some praise for their work - you PvPer in the forum do not give them any praise at all.

Just think about it. It might be a matter of attitude as well.

Just tell me in all honesty, would you praise them if every dungeon run and every PvE zone would have a +1k ping every day at primetime? Making the game literally unplayable? Because that's what Cyrodiil has to deal with. Class imbalances, bugs, zergs. All could be overlooked if they would finally show the will to fix the performance. But they don't. The performance has been crap for the past 1.5 years and you expect a PvPer to be grateful?

If you don't know what you are talking about you should just for once put yourself first into the perspective of the people you are accusing here.

Btw, it's easier to satisfy the casual side of the community, because the high end and competitive PvE community is nowhere near satisfied with the current game.

TheBonesXXX · January 2016

Lysette wrote: »

And it is easier to satisfy PvE players. Just look at this forum, do you see a lot of PvEer complaining about PvE content?- The loudest and most complaining group are PvPer. Do you think this makes ZOS even want to do something in this context?- Because regardless what they do, there will be some complaining about it and the whining will never end. This is no fun for ZOS and I think as well that the attitude of "I give a damn about the PvE content" is not making the developers happy. Those are people as well at ZOS, they need some praise for their work - you PvPer in the forum do not give them any praise at all.

Just think about it. It might be a matter of attitude as well.

Why would I praise false advertising? Why? That's called lying.

We were told we would have battles in the hundreds in an environment that can support such; that promise has yet to be met.

We were told we were going to get Imperial City first year of the game, yet we got a watered down version of Cyrodiil that doesn't even support the mass PVP that is Cyrodiil.

So, yeah, no praise from me. Why would I praise anyone when they lie to me? Do you praise people who lie to you?

Do you praise people you've put faith in to develop a game and environment which you have invested time and money into and have not received a return on your investment?

PvPers have not seen an ounce of return, we got a PVE zone in the middle of Cyrodiil and a system that was implemented in favor of PVErs.

On the other hand

PvE has GREAT content, the dungeons in this game are stellar but I'm a PvPer, I am forced to PvE in order to be competitive in a zone which was purposely isolated from PvP.

How can you even think we're going to praise false advertising and lies?

ralonasan · January 2016

Lysette wrote: »

And it is easier to satisfy PvE players. Just look at this forum, do you see a lot of PvEer complaining about PvE content?- The loudest and most complaining group are PvPer. Do you think this makes ZOS even want to do something in this context?- Because regardless what they do, there will be some complaining about it and the whining will never end. This is no fun for ZOS and I think as well that the attitude of "I give a damn about the PvE content" is not making the developers happy. Those are people as well at ZOS, they need some praise for their work - you PvPer in the forum do not give them any praise at all.

Just think about it. It might be a matter of attitude as well.

Uhm. The majority of QQ threads have been from PvErs complaining about having to PvP for certain skills, not having a safe cyrodiil to quest in etc etc etc. Where have you been since launch?

The PvP QQ is about bugs and garbage they have to deal with, and is minor in comparison.

Lysette · January 2016

Wollust wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

And it is easier to satisfy PvE players. Just look at this forum, do you see a lot of PvEer complaining about PvE content?- The loudest and most complaining group are PvPer. Do you think this makes ZOS even want to do something in this context?- Because regardless what they do, there will be some complaining about it and the whining will never end. This is no fun for ZOS and I think as well that the attitude of "I give a damn about the PvE content" is not making the developers happy. Those are people as well at ZOS, they need some praise for their work - you PvPer in the forum do not give them any praise at all.

Just think about it. It might be a matter of attitude as well.

Just tell me in all honesty, would you praise them if every dungeon run and every PvE zone would have a +1k ping every day at primetime? Making the game literally unplayable? Because that's what Cyrodiil has to deal with. Class imbalances, bugs, zergs. All could be overlooked if they would finally show the will to fix the performance. But they don't. The performance has been crap for the past 1.5 years and you expect a PvPer to be grateful?

If you don't know what you are talking about you should just for once put yourself first into the perspective of the people you are accusing here.

I know enough about IT to never have expected it to work like advertised in the first place -at least not smoothly. Simply because this is nearly impossible with that many players and the mass amount of interaction in an ongoing battle. It works and you see that many players on screen as they advertised, but it cannot run smoothly at the same time - so they cannot really fix it, these are technical limitations, you will have to wait until better hardware will be available.

Tandor · January 2016

What I think a lot of us don't get is why players who have complained for the last year or two that their chosen content is unplayable and that they have been repeatedly lied to by the developers are still here on the forum, let alone still playing the game.

Decado · January 2016

TheBonesXXX wrote: »

1) Isolated PVP
2) Then the zone is laggy and gets no fixed, meanwhile content is rolled out from the heavens for PvE
3) Cash Shop and Fluff over fixes that should be priority
4) Three Banners Cannon absolutely demolished
5) Took two years to finally squash buff servers only to have them turn into farm servers so people can "be at peace" in a war zone
6) Removal of the PVP aspect of the Justice system, so some someone can steal to their hearts desire in peace

Do you see where I'm going with this? Every game I've played its always PvPers getting the shaft.

Simple yes or no ZoS, if you cannot provide the same adequate experience for PVPers as the PVErs have then we can go else where.

1) what is having a separate PvP zone have to do with anything?

2) yes the zone is laggy, and they keep trying out new fixes, and ZoS has said for the moment spread out as it causes lag, and just 10 minutes ago i saw a yellow zerg of atleast 50 people at 1 keep, that really isnt spreading out is it? these people KNOW that they are creating lag by zerging yet all 2 factions are still doing it, and yes i know they advertised it as a large scale PvP game but the game cant handle it and these people know that and still do it. (BTW the lag annoys me aswel but i do understand that some of the blame is on us aswel and them)

3) this has nothing to do with PvE

4) see 3

5) so everyone goes to the same servers. how is this ZoSs fault? people go to other servers and they are empty so move back to the main server.

6) im glad this has gone because unless they made this an opt in system it would be horrible.

ralonasan · January 2016

Lysette wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

And it is easier to satisfy PvE players. Just look at this forum, do you see a lot of PvEer complaining about PvE content?- The loudest and most complaining group are PvPer. Do you think this makes ZOS even want to do something in this context?- Because regardless what they do, there will be some complaining about it and the whining will never end. This is no fun for ZOS and I think as well that the attitude of "I give a damn about the PvE content" is not making the developers happy. Those are people as well at ZOS, they need some praise for their work - you PvPer in the forum do not give them any praise at all.

Just think about it. It might be a matter of attitude as well.

Just tell me in all honesty, would you praise them if every dungeon run and every PvE zone would have a +1k ping every day at primetime? Making the game literally unplayable? Because that's what Cyrodiil has to deal with. Class imbalances, bugs, zergs. All could be overlooked if they would finally show the will to fix the performance. But they don't. The performance has been crap for the past 1.5 years and you expect a PvPer to be grateful?

If you don't know what you are talking about you should just for once put yourself first into the perspective of the people you are accusing here.

I know enough about IT to never have expected it to work like advertised in the first place -at least not smoothly. Simply because this is nearly impossible with that many players and the mass amount of interaction in an ongoing battle. It works and you see that many players on screen as they advertised, but it cannot run smoothly at the same time - so they cannot really fix it, these are technical limitations, you will have to wait until better hardware will be available.

They will just continue to lower population caps in Cyrodiil until it's a 10v10v10 battle ground. Lol.

TheBonesXXX · January 2016

Lysette wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

And it is easier to satisfy PvE players. Just look at this forum, do you see a lot of PvEer complaining about PvE content?- The loudest and most complaining group are PvPer. Do you think this makes ZOS even want to do something in this context?- Because regardless what they do, there will be some complaining about it and the whining will never end. This is no fun for ZOS and I think as well that the attitude of "I give a damn about the PvE content" is not making the developers happy. Those are people as well at ZOS, they need some praise for their work - you PvPer in the forum do not give them any praise at all.

Just think about it. It might be a matter of attitude as well.

Just tell me in all honesty, would you praise them if every dungeon run and every PvE zone would have a +1k ping every day at primetime? Making the game literally unplayable? Because that's what Cyrodiil has to deal with. Class imbalances, bugs, zergs. All could be overlooked if they would finally show the will to fix the performance. But they don't. The performance has been crap for the past 1.5 years and you expect a PvPer to be grateful?

If you don't know what you are talking about you should just for once put yourself first into the perspective of the people you are accusing here.

I know enough about IT to never have expected it to work like advertised in the first place -at least not smoothly. Simply because this is nearly impossible with that many players and the mass amount of interaction in an ongoing battle. It works and you see that many players on screen as they advertised, but it cannot run smoothly at the same time - so they cannot really fix it, these are technical limitations, you will have to wait until better hardware will be available.

Ever heard of EVE? Ever heard of Star Citizen? Ones been here, the other is being developed.

The tech has been here for the better part of 20 years, Zenimax has enough money to invest into current military grade hardware for the computers, so I highly doubt thats the issue.

gw2only1b14_ESO · January 2016

Aimora wrote: »

Well to me this indicates where ZOS is making money or it would be the other way round

actually the player base has gone down so by them not fixing these have they alienated a large base of there players? Most MMOs make there money in the cash shop but theres only so many skin rehashes you can do

zyk · January 2016

IMO, ZOS tried to make a game appealing to both hardcore and casual players. It didn't work. So now they're catering to the audience that stuck. Hence, MMO Lite.

gw2only1b14_ESO · January 2016

Tandor wrote: »

What I think a lot of us don't get is why players who have complained for the last year or two that their chosen content is unplayable and that they have been repeatedly lied to by the developers are still here on the forum, let alone still playing the game.

cause they paid for it at launch?? was that to hard to figure out And most cary the torch to fuel the fire for Zos to still after all that time to Fix it??

wayfarerx · January 2016

ralonasan wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

And it is easier to satisfy PvE players. Just look at this forum, do you see a lot of PvEer complaining about PvE content?- The loudest and most complaining group are PvPer. Do you think this makes ZOS even want to do something in this context?- Because regardless what they do, there will be some complaining about it and the whining will never end. This is no fun for ZOS and I think as well that the attitude of "I give a damn about the PvE content" is not making the developers happy. Those are people as well at ZOS, they need some praise for their work - you PvPer in the forum do not give them any praise at all.

Just think about it. It might be a matter of attitude as well.

Just tell me in all honesty, would you praise them if every dungeon run and every PvE zone would have a +1k ping every day at primetime? Making the game literally unplayable? Because that's what Cyrodiil has to deal with. Class imbalances, bugs, zergs. All could be overlooked if they would finally show the will to fix the performance. But they don't. The performance has been crap for the past 1.5 years and you expect a PvPer to be grateful?

If you don't know what you are talking about you should just for once put yourself first into the perspective of the people you are accusing here.

I know enough about IT to never have expected it to work like advertised in the first place -at least not smoothly. Simply because this is nearly impossible with that many players and the mass amount of interaction in an ongoing battle. It works and you see that many players on screen as they advertised, but it cannot run smoothly at the same time - so they cannot really fix it, these are technical limitations, you will have to wait until better hardware will be available.

They will just continue to lower population caps in Cyrodiil until it's a 10v10v10 battle ground. Lol.

Well they did say that they're working on arenas...

Sallington · January 2016

Resipsa131 wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

Asherons_Call wrote: »

MMORPG games are PVE first. FPS games are PVP first. Both can mix in elements of the other of course

That's sure as *** not how ESO was advertised.

Now you know and can make your investment in time and money accordingly.

That's exactly why I canceled my sub a week after Orsinium released.

Sallington · January 2016

Lysette wrote: »

And it is easier to satisfy PvE players. Just look at this forum, do you see a lot of PvEer complaining about PvE content?- The loudest and most complaining group are PvPer. Do you think this makes ZOS even want to do something in this context?- Because regardless what they do, there will be some complaining about it and the whining will never end. This is no fun for ZOS and I think as well that the attitude of "I give a damn about the PvE content" is not making the developers happy. Those are people as well at ZOS, they need some praise for their work - you PvPer in the forum do not give them any praise at all.

Just think about it. It might be a matter of attitude as well.

Really?! The biggest uproar I've seen on these forums, by far, was from PvEerswhen they announced Monster Helms for AP.
The only thing PvPers normally complain about is the ungodly lag.

TheBonesXXX · January 2016

Decado wrote: »

TheBonesXXX wrote: »

1) Isolated PVP
2) Then the zone is laggy and gets no fixed, meanwhile content is rolled out from the heavens for PvE
3) Cash Shop and Fluff over fixes that should be priority
4) Three Banners Cannon absolutely demolished
5) Took two years to finally squash buff servers only to have them turn into farm servers so people can "be at peace" in a war zone
6) Removal of the PVP aspect of the Justice system, so some someone can steal to their hearts desire in peace

Do you see where I'm going with this? Every game I've played its always PvPers getting the shaft.

Simple yes or no ZoS, if you cannot provide the same adequate experience for PVPers as the PVErs have then we can go else where.

1) what is having a separate PvP zone have to do with anything?

2) yes the zone is laggy, and they keep trying out new fixes, and ZoS has said for the moment spread out as it causes lag, and just 10 minutes ago i saw a yellow zerg of atleast 50 people at 1 keep, that really isnt spreading out is it? these people KNOW that they are creating lag by zerging yet all 2 factions are still doing it, and yes i know they advertised it as a large scale PvP game but the game cant handle it and these people know that and still do it. (BTW the lag annoys me aswel but i do understand that some of the blame is on us aswel and them)

3) this has nothing to do with PvE

4) see 3

5) so everyone goes to the same servers. how is this ZoSs fault? people go to other servers and they are empty so move back to the main server.

6) im glad this has gone because unless they made this an opt in system it would be horrible.

1) Because they chose to right away to alienate PvPers.

2) It is not the players fault that they create lag because the mechanics themselves are in the hands of the developers to come with solutions in a timely manner. Not two years later.

3) It has everything to do PvErs, because FLUFF content and collector crap is being developed for money before PvP.

4) Imperial City was a huge PvE patch placed into Cyrodiil, it didn't create meaningful PvP, it just cemented farm servers instead of buff servers.

5) Because it is in the poor implementation, that IS at the fault of the developer.

6) You have cemented my point.

Lysette · January 2016

TheBonesXXX wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

And it is easier to satisfy PvE players. Just look at this forum, do you see a lot of PvEer complaining about PvE content?- The loudest and most complaining group are PvPer. Do you think this makes ZOS even want to do something in this context?- Because regardless what they do, there will be some complaining about it and the whining will never end. This is no fun for ZOS and I think as well that the attitude of "I give a damn about the PvE content" is not making the developers happy. Those are people as well at ZOS, they need some praise for their work - you PvPer in the forum do not give them any praise at all.

Just think about it. It might be a matter of attitude as well.

Just tell me in all honesty, would you praise them if every dungeon run and every PvE zone would have a +1k ping every day at primetime? Making the game literally unplayable? Because that's what Cyrodiil has to deal with. Class imbalances, bugs, zergs. All could be overlooked if they would finally show the will to fix the performance. But they don't. The performance has been crap for the past 1.5 years and you expect a PvPer to be grateful?

If you don't know what you are talking about you should just for once put yourself first into the perspective of the people you are accusing here.

I know enough about IT to never have expected it to work like advertised in the first place -at least not smoothly. Simply because this is nearly impossible with that many players and the mass amount of interaction in an ongoing battle. It works and you see that many players on screen as they advertised, but it cannot run smoothly at the same time - so they cannot really fix it, these are technical limitations, you will have to wait until better hardware will be available.

Ever heard of EVE? Ever heard of Star Citizen? Ones been here, the other is being developed.

The tech has been here for the better part of 20 years, Zenimax has enough money to invest into current military grade hardware for the computers, so I highly doubt thats the issue.

I actually play EVE - ever been to a mass battle in EVE? - it slows down to a crawl - there is nothing what can be done about it, it is simply a technical limitation.

Edit: but EVE has a system which makes it slow down for all in the same manner - it is like playing in slow motion then - and it happens in mass battles everytime. But the TiDi system is at least fair for all.

TheBonesXXX · January 2016

wayfarerx wrote: »

ralonasan wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

And it is easier to satisfy PvE players. Just look at this forum, do you see a lot of PvEer complaining about PvE content?- The loudest and most complaining group are PvPer. Do you think this makes ZOS even want to do something in this context?- Because regardless what they do, there will be some complaining about it and the whining will never end. This is no fun for ZOS and I think as well that the attitude of "I give a damn about the PvE content" is not making the developers happy. Those are people as well at ZOS, they need some praise for their work - you PvPer in the forum do not give them any praise at all.

Just think about it. It might be a matter of attitude as well.

Just tell me in all honesty, would you praise them if every dungeon run and every PvE zone would have a +1k ping every day at primetime? Making the game literally unplayable? Because that's what Cyrodiil has to deal with. Class imbalances, bugs, zergs. All could be overlooked if they would finally show the will to fix the performance. But they don't. The performance has been crap for the past 1.5 years and you expect a PvPer to be grateful?

If you don't know what you are talking about you should just for once put yourself first into the perspective of the people you are accusing here.

I know enough about IT to never have expected it to work like advertised in the first place -at least not smoothly. Simply because this is nearly impossible with that many players and the mass amount of interaction in an ongoing battle. It works and you see that many players on screen as they advertised, but it cannot run smoothly at the same time - so they cannot really fix it, these are technical limitations, you will have to wait until better hardware will be available.

They will just continue to lower population caps in Cyrodiil until it's a 10v10v10 battle ground. Lol.

Well they did say that they're working on arenas...

They can't even fix Cyrodiil and deliver their original promises I do not expect them to ever release arenas.

Sallington · January 2016

Lysette wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

And it is easier to satisfy PvE players. Just look at this forum, do you see a lot of PvEer complaining about PvE content?- The loudest and most complaining group are PvPer. Do you think this makes ZOS even want to do something in this context?- Because regardless what they do, there will be some complaining about it and the whining will never end. This is no fun for ZOS and I think as well that the attitude of "I give a damn about the PvE content" is not making the developers happy. Those are people as well at ZOS, they need some praise for their work - you PvPer in the forum do not give them any praise at all.

Just think about it. It might be a matter of attitude as well.

Just tell me in all honesty, would you praise them if every dungeon run and every PvE zone would have a +1k ping every day at primetime? Making the game literally unplayable? Because that's what Cyrodiil has to deal with. Class imbalances, bugs, zergs. All could be overlooked if they would finally show the will to fix the performance. But they don't. The performance has been crap for the past 1.5 years and you expect a PvPer to be grateful?

If you don't know what you are talking about you should just for once put yourself first into the perspective of the people you are accusing here.

I know enough about IT to never have expected it to work like advertised in the first place -at least not smoothly. Simply because this is nearly impossible with that many players and the mass amount of interaction in an ongoing battle. It works and you see that many players on screen as they advertised, but it cannot run smoothly at the same time - so they cannot really fix it, these are technical limitations, you will have to wait until better hardware will be available.

Um, it worked perfectly fine until they broke it...

TheBonesXXX · January 2016

Sallington wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

And it is easier to satisfy PvE players. Just look at this forum, do you see a lot of PvEer complaining about PvE content?- The loudest and most complaining group are PvPer. Do you think this makes ZOS even want to do something in this context?- Because regardless what they do, there will be some complaining about it and the whining will never end. This is no fun for ZOS and I think as well that the attitude of "I give a damn about the PvE content" is not making the developers happy. Those are people as well at ZOS, they need some praise for their work - you PvPer in the forum do not give them any praise at all.

Just think about it. It might be a matter of attitude as well.

Just tell me in all honesty, would you praise them if every dungeon run and every PvE zone would have a +1k ping every day at primetime? Making the game literally unplayable? Because that's what Cyrodiil has to deal with. Class imbalances, bugs, zergs. All could be overlooked if they would finally show the will to fix the performance. But they don't. The performance has been crap for the past 1.5 years and you expect a PvPer to be grateful?

If you don't know what you are talking about you should just for once put yourself first into the perspective of the people you are accusing here.

I know enough about IT to never have expected it to work like advertised in the first place -at least not smoothly. Simply because this is nearly impossible with that many players and the mass amount of interaction in an ongoing battle. It works and you see that many players on screen as they advertised, but it cannot run smoothly at the same time - so they cannot really fix it, these are technical limitations, you will have to wait until better hardware will be available.

Um, it worked perfectly fine until they broke it...

This.

TheBonesXXX · January 2016

Ironically, Cyrodiil broke right around the time there was little PvE content in this game after these forums were flooded with "NO PVE ENDGAME!!!"

Wollust · January 2016

Lysette wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

And it is easier to satisfy PvE players. Just look at this forum, do you see a lot of PvEer complaining about PvE content?- The loudest and most complaining group are PvPer. Do you think this makes ZOS even want to do something in this context?- Because regardless what they do, there will be some complaining about it and the whining will never end. This is no fun for ZOS and I think as well that the attitude of "I give a damn about the PvE content" is not making the developers happy. Those are people as well at ZOS, they need some praise for their work - you PvPer in the forum do not give them any praise at all.

Just think about it. It might be a matter of attitude as well.

Just tell me in all honesty, would you praise them if every dungeon run and every PvE zone would have a +1k ping every day at primetime? Making the game literally unplayable? Because that's what Cyrodiil has to deal with. Class imbalances, bugs, zergs. All could be overlooked if they would finally show the will to fix the performance. But they don't. The performance has been crap for the past 1.5 years and you expect a PvPer to be grateful?

If you don't know what you are talking about you should just for once put yourself first into the perspective of the people you are accusing here.

I know enough about IT to never have expected it to work like advertised in the first place -at least not smoothly. Simply because this is nearly impossible with that many players and the mass amount of interaction in an ongoing battle. It works and you see that many players on screen as they advertised, but it cannot run smoothly at the same time - so they cannot really fix it, these are technical limitations, you will have to wait until better hardware will be available.

Alright. I don't know much about IT, so explain this to me: till a certain patch hit the live servers, the game would handle hundreds of players all at once just fine. No lag, no fps drops. Just massive large scale fights like advertised. How is it possible that the game worked during beta and first few months better than nowadays?

I never ever demanded to be able to have the advertised battles. But currently, the game goes to crap as soon as more than 40 people are on the screen doing NOTHING. Yes, that's the conclussion we had to draw after a dueling event, where a few players were fighting and others were just standing still watching. Fps drops, lagspikes. Do you really think that's acceptable? That we have no right to complain about it?

Zorrashi · January 2016

TheBonesXXX wrote: »

Ironically, Cyrodiil broke right around the time there was little PvE content in this game after these forums were flooded with "NO PVE ENDGAME!!!"

I thought it was the lighting patch

Lysette · January 2016

Ok, when it worked perfectly in the past, what has changed that it does no longer?- is the gameplay still the same in Cyrrodil or has it changed? Were options added, which the game did not support before and which have led to different tactics, like too many players in a too small area for example?- The more people are interacting directly with each other, the more combinatoric comes into play and this is not a linear performance drain, but grows progessively with the number of players.