Templar is the worst class for PvP dps..

templesus · January 2016

let's look at the facts:
Dark flare is now trash after damage Nerf
Puncturing sweeps is trash unless you're a cookie cutter
Jesus beam nerfed to Antichrist beam
BoL is literally the last breath of life you'll take
No escapability
No defensive abilities(except eclipse, oh wait that got nerfed too)
Our passives are TRASH
Oh but don't worry, we still have empowering sweep :-)
Useless abilities like backlash
Sun shield doesn't even need an explanation
Literally only play this class if you want to roll stamina or a healer but don't dare try a 1v2 as stamina.

MisterBigglesworth · January 2016

Breath of Life doesn't belong on that list.

Sleep · January 2016

You haven't seen spammable 10k Blazing Shield critical damage in PvP.

ralonasan · January 2016

L2P

TheLaw · January 2016

Sleep wrote: »

You haven't seen spammable 10k Blazing Shield critical damage in PvP.

I've seen 15k-20k bursts. Templar's can do massive burst damage and have a solid heal., among many other things.

Jhunn · January 2016

1) Breath of Life is one of the best skills in the game. So take that off your list.

2) Blazing shield only does high damage if you're on a +50k health build with no sustain. The ability is cr*p, sadly.

templesus · January 2016

ralonasan wrote: »

L2P

I've played every class , all vets. I know how to play all I do is PvP and templars my main. They're trash at 1vx

templesus · January 2016

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

Breath of Life doesn't belong on that list.

What use is it against 12k focused aims or wrecking blows?

Drakilian · January 2016

Magicka DKs would like to have a word with you.

MrDerrikk · January 2016

Drakilian wrote: »

Magicka DKs would like to have a word with you.

I was tempted to mention this, but people would shout me down as I don't PvP enough.

Xqluded · January 2016

Let me just jump in here really quick to give you some help and make your Templar shine. I am going to give you a quick rundown of my build.

I can 1vX all day. 1v1, 1v2 and 1v3 I shihne bright like a diamond. Run this build and you will thank me later.

Attributes

Health: 19
Stamina: 0
Magicka: 45

Optimal Gear:

Torugs Pact Sword x2

4 Heavy, 3 Light (My build) 5 Heavy, 2 Light can also work.

+Magicka and + Spell Damage on everything. 4 piece Elf bane is the preferred set.

Bar 1: Dual Wield

[Vampires Bane] - [Solar Barrage] - [Structured Entropy] - [Radiant Oppression] - [Inner Light] || [ULT: Meteor]

Bar 2: Resto Staff

[Restoring Focus] - [Breath of Life] - [Purifying Ritual] - [Radiant Ward] - [Healing Ward] [ULT: Devouring Swarm]

DPS Rotation:

Stack your shields at all times, these are your main heals. Make sure Inner light is on while on the DPS bar.

Open with Structured Entropy > Vampires Bane to dot up your target. Then Solar Barrage as your main spam. Execute with Radiant Opression. Repeat if enemy is not dead when your Vampires Bane dot ends.

Uh Oh Rotation (Heals):

Again stack your shields at all times. This should keep you up long enough to kill your enemy before you die. If you get too low of health for comfort follow the rotation:

Restoring Focus > BoL > BoL. Two and you should be fully healed. Now shield stack and get back to fighting. You should only use your Uh Oh rotation in a 1v2 or 1v3+ situation. As for 1v1 if you have the correct gear equipped and Champion point distribution (which I will not get into, there are many threads on magicka build allocations) you should be able to kill your opponent with no 2nd bar. I rarely use this bar in a 1v1.

DISCALIMER:
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO THIS BUILD.....READ THIS VERY VERY CAREFULLY..PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, IF YOU DO NOT HAVE AT LEAST 12 HOURS TO PLAY AT THE TIME OF CONTACT, DO NOT, I REPEAT DO NOT ATTEMPT TO FIGHT MAGICKA SORC. YOU WILL FIND YOURSELF DIZZY FROM THE CONSTANT CIRCLES YOU WILL BOTH BE RUNNING AND THEN LEAVE YOURSELF WITH A MAJOR HEADACHE AS BOTH OF YOU RUN OFF TO FIND A DIFFERENT FIGHT THAT WILL ACTUALLY HAVE AN END.

DannyLV702 · January 2016

I mean......they're healers by nature

MrDerrikk · January 2016

DannyLV702 wrote: »

I mean......they're healers by nature

You've opened up a world of hate there, just wait...:p

AriBoh · January 2016

Xqluded wrote: »

Stack your shields at all times, these are your main heals. Make sure Inner light is on while on the DPS bar.

Open with Structured Entropy > Vampires Bane to dot up your target. Then Solar Barrage as your main spam. Execute with Radiant Opression. Repeat if enemy is not dead when your Vampires Bane dot ends.

Best. troll. ever.

....... Wait......

Are...... Are you being serious?

Nifty2g · January 2016

empower doesn't work on DoT abilities

Xqluded · January 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

empower doesn't work on DoT abilities

Woops, its supposed to be VB > SE. Thank you for pointing that out.

darkknightfkb16_ESO wrote: »

Xqluded wrote: »

Stack your shields at all times, these are your main heals. Make sure Inner light is on while on the DPS bar.

Open with Structured Entropy > Vampires Bane to dot up your target. Then Solar Barrage as your main spam. Execute with Radiant Opression. Repeat if enemy is not dead when your Vampires Bane dot ends.

Best. troll. ever.

....... Wait......

Are...... Are you being serious?

Sure am, would you like to dual assuming you are PC NA and not AD. If not I will gladly open a live stream and show you how much I am trolling

AriBoh · January 2016

I am not PC NA and I am mostly AD. But if you want to show me proof then go ahead. Cause till you do I don't believe that rotation could kill a Mudcrab.

Xqluded · January 2016

darkknightfkb16_ESO wrote: »

I am not PC NA and I am mostly AD. But if you want to show me proof then go ahead. Cause till you do I don't believe that rotation could kill a Mudcrab.

Just tested that theory real quick. You had me worried.

Xqluded 1
Mudcrab 0

derp

AriBoh · January 2016

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Xqluded · January 2016

darkknightfkb16_ESO wrote: »

exaggeration
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SanTii.92 · January 2016

Well, one needs to be the worst one. And considering Templars are the best healers seems fine by me.

Sausage · January 2016

This is Class based game and Healers are healers, not dps. I hope Spell Crafing is gonna give it all to all of us, when players can do whatever they want, they dont whine, or then Zen should encourage people to make alts, so player can conveniently switch between them as he prefer.

AJ_1988 · January 2016

I have no problem. Haven't got the max dos I can yet due to equipment etc but I can easily hit a 10k plus dark flare before the buffs kick in. I've even been hit by a 13k solar disturbance and 7k jabs proving the passive for another 5 k give or take. Yeah dps is a bit of a problem for Templars due to sacrificing some sustain and damage mitigation but we can heal and we are not sorcs. As soon as you try to be a sorc you loose what a Templar is really about, accept that we Arnt sorcs and you will appreciate the damage we can do with the right set up and rotation. Templars are a balancing act suited to support not frontline dps oh and don't forget the DW swords and law of julianos set

. Also CP makes a huge difference to Templars damage and heal capabilities.

It's all about learning and experimenting finding what works best for you. I have tried some of the op Templars builds in the past but they didn't work for me because of my play style.

templesus · January 2016

AJ_1988 wrote: »

I have no problem. Haven't got the max dos I can yet due to equipment etc but I can easily hit a 10k plus dark flare before the buffs kick in. I've even been hit by a 13k solar disturbance and 7k jabs proving the passive for another 5 k give or take. Yeah dps is a bit of a problem for Templars due to sacrificing some sustain and damage mitigation but we can heal and we are not sorcs. As soon as you try to be a sorc you loose what a Templar is really about, accept that we Arnt sorcs and you will appreciate the damage we can do with the right set up and rotation. Templars are a balancing act suited to support not frontline dps oh and don't forget the DW swords and law of julianos set . Also CP makes a huge difference to Templars damage and heal capabilities.

It's all about learning and experimenting finding what works best for you. I have tried some of the op Templars builds in the past but they didn't work for me because of my play style.

Before Ic we were fine , 16k dark flares were easy. They killed us. You can easily hit a 7k dark flare or punct sweeps, but light armor is SO TRASH you will get instagibbed by the 45% of the population that is stam nightblade and never be on par with the 45% that are sorcs. We 10% (Dks and Templars, I feel for you just as much dks) deserve to be tossed a bone and NOT NERFED AGAIN PAST OBLIVION IN THIEVES GUILD

Cyantific87 · January 2016

Structured Entropy - Dark Flare - Vampire Bane - Meteor - Toppling Charge - RD

^^^^

There is your Burst. (Against average players of course)

Cinbri · January 2016

Just wait till next DLC, OP and hope for da best.

templesus · January 2016

ads1 wrote: »

Structured Entropy - Dark Flare - Vampire Bane - Meteor - Toppling Charge - RD

^^^^

There is your Burst. (Against average players of course)

That will only work if you become a cookie cutter and stack spell damage and give up recovery etc, enter the realm of 2 shot focused aims

Lightninvash · January 2016

templesus wrote: »

let's look at the facts:
Dark flare is now trash after damage Nerf
Puncturing sweeps is trash unless you're a cookie cutter
Jesus beam nerfed to Antichrist beam
BoL is literally the last breath of life you'll take
No escapability
No defensive abilities(except eclipse, oh wait that got nerfed too)
Our passives are TRASH
Oh but don't worry, we still have empowering sweep :-)
Useless abilities like backlash
Sun shield doesn't even need an explanation
Literally only play this class if you want to roll stamina or a healer but don't dare try a 1v2 as stamina.

I have a v14 Templar healer.. I do pvp and survive 9 times out of 10 vs a zerg weather that means my 8 group guild team beats the zerg while I throw out dps and pick off stragglers to kill or they all start to die and I escape with my life after fighting off the 1-3 that come at me after the main fight is over so I can revive the team. Templars are great but hard to use and get the hang of. I stopped questing and grinding on him after it went from v14-v16(didn't care to hit vet16) but had him as a main since game came out on console(maybe a week or 2 after). that being said if you do not have the right skills on your bars you will not have a good time. gear, food, and weapon determine how well you play. resource management is key to a Templar in pvp and its not all spam heals because you will die you need to knock back throw a spear and stun root(ice detstro staff) things like that. Use the environment if you see a tree go behind it and throw on a hot heal. or a large boulder ect. It is doable if you try hard enough

As far as dps it isn't great(not meant to be a heavy dps class like a nb they are more focused on heals) the class is bad dps if you only spam the same skill over and over and expect it to win, but you can beat people if you use the right skills

I normally win if it is 1v1 or 2vme depending on the other player skill level.

and I only have 90 cp ^.^ so its not that either I just like working on crafting and making alts(altoholic)

Yolokin_Swagonborn · January 2016

Xqluded wrote: »

Let me just jump in here really quick to give you some help and make your Templar shine. I am going to give you a quick rundown of my build.

I can 1vX all day. 1v1, 1v2 and 1v3 I shihne bright like a diamond. Run this build and you will thank me later.

Attributes

Health: 19
Stamina: 0
Magicka: 45

Optimal Gear:

Torugs Pact Sword x2

4 Heavy, 3 Light (My build) 5 Heavy, 2 Light can also work.

+Magicka and + Spell Damage on everything. 4 piece Elf bane is the preferred set.

Bar 1: Dual Wield

[Vampires Bane] - [Solar Barrage] - [Structured Entropy] - [Radiant Oppression] - [Inner Light] || [ULT: Meteor]

Bar 2: Resto Staff

[Restoring Focus] - [Breath of Life] - [Purifying Ritual] - [Radiant Ward] - [Healing Ward] [ULT: Devouring Swarm]

DPS Rotation:

Stack your shields at all times, these are your main heals. Make sure Inner light is on while on the DPS bar.

Open with Structured Entropy > Vampires Bane to dot up your target. Then Solar Barrage as your main spam. Execute with Radiant Opression. Repeat if enemy is not dead when your Vampires Bane dot ends.

Uh Oh Rotation (Heals):

Again stack your shields at all times. This should keep you up long enough to kill your enemy before you die. If you get too low of health for comfort follow the rotation:

Restoring Focus > BoL > BoL. Two and you should be fully healed. Now shield stack and get back to fighting. You should only use your Uh Oh rotation in a 1v2 or 1v3+ situation. As for 1v1 if you have the correct gear equipped and Champion point distribution (which I will not get into, there are many threads on magicka build allocations) you should be able to kill your opponent with no 2nd bar. I rarely use this bar in a 1v1.

DISCALIMER:
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO THIS BUILD.....READ THIS VERY VERY CAREFULLY..PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, IF YOU DO NOT HAVE AT LEAST 12 HOURS TO PLAY AT THE TIME OF CONTACT, DO NOT, I REPEAT DO NOT ATTEMPT TO FIGHT MAGICKA SORC. YOU WILL FIND YOURSELF DIZZY FROM THE CONSTANT CIRCLES YOU WILL BOTH BE RUNNING AND THEN LEAVE YOURSELF WITH A MAJOR HEADACHE AS BOTH OF YOU RUN OFF TO FIND A DIFFERENT FIGHT THAT WILL ACTUALLY HAVE AN END.

This is the weirdest build I have ever seen. Is this strictly for spamball play or can you succesfully 1v1 someone with just vampires bane and barrage spam? I don't see a stam DK dying to this.

Molag_Crow · January 2016

Sleep wrote: »

You haven't seen spammable 10k Blazing Shield critical damage in PvP.

Bull. It got heavily nerfed in PvP, what patch are you living in? you're months behind.

templesus · January 2016

Lightninvash wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

let's look at the facts:
Dark flare is now trash after damage Nerf
Puncturing sweeps is trash unless you're a cookie cutter
Jesus beam nerfed to Antichrist beam
BoL is literally the last breath of life you'll take
No escapability
No defensive abilities(except eclipse, oh wait that got nerfed too)
Our passives are TRASH
Oh but don't worry, we still have empowering sweep :-)
Useless abilities like backlash
Sun shield doesn't even need an explanation
Literally only play this class if you want to roll stamina or a healer but don't dare try a 1v2 as stamina.

I have a v14 Templar healer.. I do pvp and survive 9 times out of 10 vs a zerg weather that means my 8 group guild team beats the zerg while I throw out dps and pick off stragglers to kill or they all start to die and I escape with my life after fighting off the 1-3 that come at me after the main fight is over so I can revive the team. Templars are great but hard to use and get the hang of. I stopped questing and grinding on him after it went from v14-v16(didn't care to hit vet16) but had him as a main since game came out on console(maybe a week or 2 after). that being said if you do not have the right skills on your bars you will not have a good time. gear, food, and weapon determine how well you play. resource management is key to a Templar in pvp and its not all spam heals because you will die you need to knock back throw a spear and stun root(ice detstro staff) things like that. Use the environment if you see a tree go behind it and throw on a hot heal. or a large boulder ect. It is doable if you try hard enough

As far as dps it isn't great(not meant to be a heavy dps class like a nb they are more focused on heals) the class is bad dps if you only spam the same skill over and over and expect it to win, but you can beat people if you use the right skills I normally win if it is 1v1 or 2vme depending on the other player skill level.

and I only have 90 cp ^.^ so its not that either I just like working on crafting and making alts(altoholic)

You lost me at ice staff bud nobody will take you seriously with that mess , and we aren't talking surviving 1v1 or 1v2 we are talking open world where at most moments you are going to get 2 shorted if you run a light armor build like that and most of the time can't get a heal off OR the heal heals less then the damage they output. LoSing is common everybody knows that but its not always a viable option to escape.