Suprise attack and ambush magical damage on stamina morph

Guffel001

So i have noticed that no matter which morph you take of this two abilities , they will always deal magical damage even the stamina morph . Since you usually use suprise attack as main damage ability on a stamblade and ultimates are always magical damage is it better to increase magic pen and magic damage in cp as a stamblade?
What do you think? Thanks for all answers

coolermh

Im pretty sure that suprise attack does physical damg

mike.eso

think it states right in the tool tip that it now scales off of stam and wpn dmg...pretty sure you only need to put one point into mag and phys pen cp anyways to get pretty much the entire bonus

Ahzek

Its the same with the templar or dragonknight stamina morphs. They still deal fire/magic damage, but all their effects are calculated as if they were phisical damage. This includes penetration, CP scaling, etc.. While this behavior was documented in the (1.6) patchnotes, it is reflected nowhere in game and highly obstrusive for newer players.
Good job ZOS.

Septimus_Magna

Man, I feel really stupid right now, Ive been putting CPs into Mighty which increases physical dmg.

Not realizing that Ambush, Surprise Attack, Flawless Dawnbreaker, Clouding Batswarm, Camo Hunter and Relentless Focus all deal Magic Dmg...

The only physical dmg abilities that I use on my stam NB are Steel Tornado and weapon attacks.


As for the penetration from the CPs Im not quite sure..

Description for spell- and physical penetration CPs
Spell Erosion - Increases the amount of Spell Resistance your spells ignore by (0-25%)
Piercing - Increases the amount of armor your physical attacks ignore by (0-25%)

Is an attack, that scales of weapon dmg/max stamina, classified as a spell because it deals magic dmg? Or is it classified as an physical attack because it scales of weapon dmg/max stamina?

It would seem logical to increase spell penetration because magic dmg is mitigated by spell resistance.

Guess I need to respec anyway (for the 10th time) so I will test this when I get the chance, probably Sunday evening or Monday morning.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

Umm Ambush and Suprise Attack do Physical damage Mighty buffs them you're thinking about Killer's Blade and Power Extraction. They cost stamina but deal magic damage.

lolo_01b16_ESO

Guffel001 wrote: »

So i have noticed that no matter which morph you take of this two abilities , they will always deal magical damage even the stamina morph . Since you usually use suprise attack as main damage ability on a stamblade and ultimates are always magical damage is it better to increase magic pen and magic damage in cp as a stamblade?
What do you think? Thanks for all answers

I recommend reading the skill description again. Surprise attack and ambush both deal physical damage. But it can still be usefull to put some points in thaumaturge as a stamina nb, since your ultimates, killers blade (and power extraction in case you use it) deal magic damage.

Guffel001

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Guffel001 wrote: »

So i have noticed that no matter which morph you take of this two abilities , they will always deal magical damage even the stamina morph . Since you usually use suprise attack as main damage ability on a stamblade and ultimates are always magical damage is it better to increase magic pen and magic damage in cp as a stamblade?
What do you think? Thanks for all answers

I recommend reading the skill description again. Surprise attack and ambush both deal physical damage. But it can still be usefull to put some points in thaumaturge as a stamina nb, since your ultimates, killers blade (and power extraction in case you use it) deal magic damage.

For me it says magic damage and also my foundry tactical combat shows it as magical damage but i have seen on youtube that for some people it is physical damage . Dont know why^^

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

Guffel001 wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Guffel001 wrote: »

So i have noticed that no matter which morph you take of this two abilities , they will always deal magical damage even the stamina morph . Since you usually use suprise attack as main damage ability on a stamblade and ultimates are always magical damage is it better to increase magic pen and magic damage in cp as a stamblade?
What do you think? Thanks for all answers

I recommend reading the skill description again. Surprise attack and ambush both deal physical damage. But it can still be usefull to put some points in thaumaturge as a stamina nb, since your ultimates, killers blade (and power extraction in case you use it) deal magic damage.

For me it says magic damage and also my foundry tactical combat shows it as magical damage but i have seen on youtube that for some people it is physical damage . Dont know why^^

Your tooltip is clearly bugged to hell but those two are the only useful Nightblade Stamina morph as the do the right kind of damage.

lolo_01b16_ESO

Guffel001 wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Guffel001 wrote: »

So i have noticed that no matter which morph you take of this two abilities , they will always deal magical damage even the stamina morph . Since you usually use suprise attack as main damage ability on a stamblade and ultimates are always magical damage is it better to increase magic pen and magic damage in cp as a stamblade?
What do you think? Thanks for all answers

I recommend reading the skill description again. Surprise attack and ambush both deal physical damage. But it can still be usefull to put some points in thaumaturge as a stamina nb, since your ultimates, killers blade (and power extraction in case you use it) deal magic damage.

For me it says magic damage and also my foundry tactical combat shows it as magical damage but i have seen on youtube that for some people it is physical damage . Dont know why^^

Which language do you use?
Do you have any addons that change your skill tooltips?

Guffel001

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Guffel001 wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Guffel001 wrote: »

So i have noticed that no matter which morph you take of this two abilities , they will always deal magical damage even the stamina morph . Since you usually use suprise attack as main damage ability on a stamblade and ultimates are always magical damage is it better to increase magic pen and magic damage in cp as a stamblade?
What do you think? Thanks for all answers

I recommend reading the skill description again. Surprise attack and ambush both deal physical damage. But it can still be usefull to put some points in thaumaturge as a stamina nb, since your ultimates, killers blade (and power extraction in case you use it) deal magic damage.

For me it says magic damage and also my foundry tactical combat shows it as magical damage but i have seen on youtube that for some people it is physical damage . Dont know why^^

Which language do you use?
Do you have any addons that change your skill tooltips?

My game is on german but i'm patching it on english now could be that we will see .

Lenikus

They BOTH deal Physical damage on the stamina morphs
Killer's blade, the execute, and that sap power (sap essence morph) skills are the only ones that still do magic damage when morphed to stamina

OdinForge

Guffel001

Lenikus wrote: »

They BOTH deal Physical damage on the stamina morphs
Killer's blade, the execute, and that sap power (sap essence morph) skills are the only ones that still do magic damage when morphed to stamina

Oh , ok well thanks then , seems to be a bugged tooltip for me.

Septimus_Magna

The mistake was caused by ElderScrollsWiki in my case, see picture below..

I55UE5

So let me get this right.. If an ability deals MAGIC damage, but scales off weapon damage\stamina.. MIGHTY will increase its dmg?

If this is the case.. That is very misleading

I've put most of my points in Blade Expert just because I was too lazy to test and confirm

Guffel001

I55UE5 wrote: »

So let me get this right.. If an ability deals MAGIC damage, but scales off weapon damage\stamina.. MIGHTY will increase its dmg?

If this is the case.. That is very misleading

I've put most of my points in Blade Expert just because I was too lazy to test and confirm

I think Killers Blade and Power Extraction don't but Suprise Attack and Ambush do. So it's not for all stam morphs the same

Lenikus

I55UE5 wrote: »

ability deals Physical damage

fixed.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

I55UE5 wrote: »

So let me get this right.. If an ability deals MAGIC damage, but scales off weapon damage\stamina.. MIGHTY will increase its dmg?

If this is the case.. That is very misleading

I've put most of my points in Blade Expert just because I was too lazy to test and confirm

No the damage will but higher with Magic Stamina attack then magic Magicka based attacks but will be weaker then Physical Stamina attacks