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Stam Morph for C. Frags

Pepper8Jack
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Stam sorcs could really use a class dps ability and let's be real, no one is running crystal blast (I main a sorc and had to look up the name...), so why not trade blast for a stam morph?

I'd prefer something unique and interesting over a stam-scaled C. Frags, but either way would be better than nothing.

Thoughts? Ideas?
  • dday3six
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    I'll basically re-post what I said about Stamina Sorc in another thread.

    Stam Sorc is going to need a lot of help more than a Stamina based in class repeatable to be viable in group PVE. They already perform well in PVP.

    Stamina Sorc is mostly a PVP build. Players wanted the Magicka utility of the class' skills, combined with the benefits of being a Stamina build. Utility is very handy in PVP. However it's less beneficial in PVE where engagements are more controlled.
  • Forestd16b14_ESO
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    And I want a Stamina version spiked armor or stamina version of chocking talons but all the magicka users QQ don't want stamina user have any power.
  • Warraxx
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    stam farg is stoopid, as stupid as magika WB
  • NobleNerd
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    More and more this whole stamina/magicka based abilities on every single class is causing a huge identity crisis for the classes!

    Instead of going deeper and deeper into the abyss of every single class playing so similar to every single class.... let's pull out of it by removing any resource scaling on any ability. Let's give each class it's own identity and have physical damage/spellpower be achieved through other options (i.e enchanting, potions, set bonuses, etc).

    #BringBackClassIdentity

    Edited by NobleNerd on December 30, 2015 9:38PM
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  • Tamanous
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    LOL!

    Could you even imagine? A juiced up bow opener out of stealth followed by an instant cast stam frag?

    Cause instant killing people in pvp needs a buff!
  • Forestd16b14_ESO
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    NobleNerd wrote: »
    More and more this whole stamina/magicka based abilities on every single class is causing a huge identity crisis for the classes!

    Instead of going deeper and deeper into the abyss of every single class playing so similar to every single class.... let's pull out of it by removing any resource scaling on any ability. Let's give each class it's own identity and have physical damage/spellpower be achieved through other options (i.e enchanting, potions, set bonuses, etc).

    #BringBackClassIdentity

    Or maybe let more skills have a stamina option morph. Such as DKs chocking talons it deals physical damage which is what stamina needs and it scales off weapon yet cost magicka.
  • Alucardo
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    Wrecking blow, then crystal frag to the face
  • CamBam370
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    If frag gets stam, then the wip should get stam.
  • Alucardo
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    Honestly though, I'd love to see a morph of crystal frags for stamina. Though hopefully it'd be more like a crystal sword without the need to proc it.
    Dark Magic goes unused by stamina sorcs currently because there's nothing worth getting at all. Which kind of sucks, because I'd love to make use of the Blood Magic passive which heals you when an enemy is hit with a dark magic skill.
    If it were to be added, Exploitation would need to include minor savagery to increase weapon critical as well.
  • Tomato
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    DK needs to get fixed first. Welcome to the bottom of the list
  • CamBam370
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    Alucardo wrote: »
    Wrecking blow, then crystal frag to the face

    I would quit
  • SmalltalkJava
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    I love crystal blast. Why wouldn't anyone like a version of wrecking blow that is aoe and long range? I just don't understand.
  • CP5
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    I love crystal blast. Why wouldn't anyone like a version of wrecking blow that is aoe and long range? I just don't understand.

    Thing is, the dark magic tree is dominated by skills that require large magicka pools and thus any sorc not stacking magicka can't really get much out of the tree, including blood magic. Also, mild splash damage v.s. a 35% chance to do 20% more damage at half the cost with no cast time, blast is just, eh. Several skills suffer from the 'mild aoe' morph. Also why does everyone think people want a stam morph to be a ranged wb? Haven't people read past suggestions?
  • Jar_Ek
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    This has been discussed quite a lot in the past... the fact it keeps reappearing probably means that stamina sorcerers feel pretty strongly on the subject. As for my preference? Direct damage morph of mages fury and a morph of mines - both stamina ;). Well actually an overhaul of all classes stamina and magicka morphs and how magicka/stamina are used.
    I.e. I would like resources to be resources and damage to come from weapon / spell power... then health becomes useful again and resource stacking would not be everything.
  • tennant94
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    Just use wrecking blow, it does more dps.
  • Alucardo
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    tennant94 wrote: »
    Just use wrecking blow, it does more dps.

    Does "more" DPS.. than what exactly? What else is there for a stam sorc to use for you to compare WB to? Truth is, DPS with WB can be abysmal. It's hard to land, so you dance around your target actually losing DPS while they slam you with insta-cast DD abilities.
    WB is sluggish and should be used sparingly.
  • Emma_Overload
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    Stam Sorcs need a heal or a shield even MORE than we need a damage morph... but yeah, we need that, too!

    Edited by Emma_Overload on December 31, 2015 7:50PM
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  • catalyst10e
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    So wait.. you chose the stamina route on a class designed for magicka and now you want to be the same as a magicka build? Wheres the line? That's supposed to be a drawback of choosing stam over magicka.
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  • CP5
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    Stam Sorcs need a heal or a shield even MORE than we need a damage morph... but yeah, we need that, too!

    If they made crystal blast something stam sorcs could frequently use they would get a heal, blood magic's 8% max health heal.

    Also @catalyst10e, this is ESO, classes aren't supposed to be confined to small roles. And if you look at past elder scrolls lore sorcerer's have been heavy armor weapon specialist that acted as magicka sponges, not the 'pure caster' arch-type that many seem to think.
  • catalyst10e
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    CP5 wrote: »
    Stam Sorcs need a heal or a shield even MORE than we need a damage morph... but yeah, we need that, too!

    If they made crystal blast something stam sorcs could frequently use they would get a heal, blood magic's 8% max health heal.

    Also @catalyst10e, this is ESO, classes aren't supposed to be confined to small roles. And if you look at past elder scrolls lore sorcerer's have been heavy armor weapon specialist that acted as magicka sponges, not the 'pure caster' arch-type that many seem to think.

    Oh I know its not a defines role, but this is an MMO, and looking at the sorc abilities it's clear they're built for a magicka user. choosing to instead run stamina when your abilities don't compensate for that is the player accepting the risk and drawbacks of that decision. I think it's great we have the different playstyles of magicka and Stamina, but (I personally feel) there should be an identity within those playstyles. Would you really want to be slammed by WB from stealth with a follow up frag? pretty sure this type of thing would just cause us all to be mixed into a single build that everyone would use and kill the diversity.
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  • Ampnode
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    So wait.. you chose the stamina route on a class designed for magicka and now you want to be the same as a magicka build? Wheres the line? That's supposed to be a drawback of choosing stam over magicka.

    Thank you for having a brain.
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  • Vaoh
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    I love to play on my Magicka Sorc. Tried out Crystal Blast to see how it looks, and went back to Crystal Fragments immediately. That morph is completely useless and could definitely become a great stamina ability.

    The new morph could go like this: Allow it to be an ability that procs (smaller or larger chance based on its damage) just like Crystal Fragments, but is melee range and slashes the enemy with some sort of crystal blade, possibly doing some AoE as well which Crystal Blast failed at doing. Scale off Max Stamina and Weapon Damage, cause Minor or Major Weapon Critical. I can see some happy stam sorcs!
  • SmalltalkJava
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    Doncellius wrote: »
    I love to play on my Magicka Sorc. Tried out Crystal Blast to see how it looks, and went back to Crystal Fragments immediately. That morph is completely useless and could definitely become a great stamina ability.

    The new morph could go like this: Allow it to be an ability that procs (smaller or larger chance based on its damage) just like Crystal Fragments, but is melee range and slashes the enemy with some sort of crystal blade, possibly doing some AoE as well which Crystal Blast failed at doing. Scale off Max Stamina and Weapon Damage, cause Minor or Major Weapon Critical. I can see some happy stam sorcs!

    Crystal blast useless?? /boggle. long range wrecking blow useless???
  • CP5
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    CP5 wrote: »
    Stam Sorcs need a heal or a shield even MORE than we need a damage morph... but yeah, we need that, too!

    If they made crystal blast something stam sorcs could frequently use they would get a heal, blood magic's 8% max health heal.

    Also @catalyst10e, this is ESO, classes aren't supposed to be confined to small roles. And if you look at past elder scrolls lore sorcerer's have been heavy armor weapon specialist that acted as magicka sponges, not the 'pure caster' arch-type that many seem to think.

    Oh I know its not a defines role, but this is an MMO, and looking at the sorc abilities it's clear they're built for a magicka user. choosing to instead run stamina when your abilities don't compensate for that is the player accepting the risk and drawbacks of that decision. I think it's great we have the different playstyles of magicka and Stamina, but (I personally feel) there should be an identity within those playstyles. Would you really want to be slammed by WB from stealth with a follow up frag? pretty sure this type of thing would just cause us all to be mixed into a single build that everyone would use and kill the diversity.

    All classes on release supported magicka playstyles almost exclusively. I chose to run my first character as a sorcerer because of the skills and passives I saw, saying the skills are 'clearly made for magicka users' just shows ZOS did to little in letting people get any kind of build variety in (read, the daedric and dark magic trees both hinge on large magicka pools and little else). Also, why does everyone think sorcs still want a ranged wb? As if NB's can't already pull that kind of burst, how dare stamina sorcs ask for a way to reliably use the dark magic tree.

    Also SmalltalkJava, do you really like crystal blast that much? For that small aoe it offers over frags procs?
  • catalyst10e
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    Yes, how dare they. They chose to use stamina abilities over Magicka ones, why should a skill line so heavily dependant on Magicka have to be altered just to pander to their decision? Where does it end? Does every morph get changed to having a Magicka and stamina version? Should the destruction staff have stamina morphs as well so everyone is happy? Part of the trade off of a stamina sorcery is a smaller move pool, or you split your abilities.
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  • Alucardo
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    Yes, how dare they. They chose to use stamina abilities over Magicka ones, why should a skill line so heavily dependant on Magicka have to be altered just to pander to their decision? Where does it end? Does every morph get changed to having a Magicka and stamina version? Should the destruction staff have stamina morphs as well so everyone is happy? Part of the trade off of a stamina sorcery is a smaller move pool, or you split your abilities.

    Stam sorcs are asking for one morph. Considering there is nothing in the entire tree for them, I think it's acceptable.
  • Emma_Overload
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    I like Crystal Blast in PvE, but it has very limited use in PvP because it's VERY rare that you get to just stand there and lob Blasts uninterrupted. Everyone who has been on the forums a long time knows I vouch for Crystal Blast, BUT.....

    ... Crystal Blast is not worth anywhere near what a Stamina morph of Frags would be worth to Sorcs.

    I do not and never have understood the knee-jerk resistance from some Sorcs to Stamina morphs! Seriously, why do YOU care if Stam Sorcs get some love? What does it cost you? Nothing.

    And what's all this HOGWASH about "you should have to suffer the consquences of your decision to choose Stamina, blah blah blah blah..."??? Do you hear Nightblades whining about Surprise Attack? Do you hear Templars grudging against Biting Jabs? NO, you don't hear any such thing, because those morphs have only made their respective classes STRONGER.

    Edited by Emma_Overload on January 1, 2016 3:03AM
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  • found1779
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    I like Crystal Blast in PvE, but it has very limited use in PvP because it's VERY rare that you get to just stand there and lob Blasts uninterrupted. Everyone who has been on the forums a long time knows I vouch for Crystal Blast, BUT.....

    ... Crystal Blast is not worth anywhere near what a Stamina morph of Frags would be worth to Sorcs.

    I do not and never have understood the knee-jerk resistance from some Sorcs to Stamina morphs! Seriously, why do YOU care if Stam Sorcs get some love? What does it cost you? Nothing.

    And what's all this HOGWASH about "you should have to suffer the consquences of your decision to choose Stamina, blah blah blah blah..."??? Do you hear Nightblades whining about Surprise Attack? Do you hear Templars grudging against Biting Jabs? NO, you don't hear any such thing, because those morphs have only made their respective classes STRONGER.

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  • found1779
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    I also would love to see a stamina morph of magicka detnation
  • catalyst10e
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    I like Crystal Blast in PvE, but it has very limited use in PvP because it's VERY rare that you get to just stand there and lob Blasts uninterrupted. Everyone who has been on the forums a long time knows I vouch for Crystal Blast, BUT.....

    ... Crystal Blast is not worth anywhere near what a Stamina morph of Frags would be worth to Sorcs.

    I do not and never have understood the knee-jerk resistance from some Sorcs to Stamina morphs! Seriously, why do YOU care if Stam Sorcs get some love? What does it cost you? Nothing.

    And what's all this HOGWASH about "you should have to suffer the consquences of your decision to choose Stamina, blah blah blah blah..."??? Do you hear Nightblades whining about Surprise Attack? Do you hear Templars grudging against Biting Jabs? NO, you don't hear any such thing, because those morphs have only made their respective classes STRONGER.

    It's not just about one sorc telling another sorc he cant have nice things. If you change one morph that opens the gates for all of the morphs. As suggested in this topic, why not then have a stamina morph or magicka det, and a magicka morph for vigor? why not change Whirling Blades to magicka?

    Don't act as if collectively all the stam sorc got together and decided they JUST want the one morph from crystal frag. The truth of the matter is you're not doing the damage you want to, an want the game to alter its own mechanics to satisfy your need. I chose a sorcerer to cast spells, that locks me out of effectively using the 2 handed skill line, should I get a magicka morph on one of the abilities? It wouldn't effect YOU. It;s a pandora's box that doesnt need to be opened. You would also effectively screw over any currently players (primarily PVEers) who use blast instead of frag. Do those people get a free pass to reset their morph and force them into using frag? Should I be concerned that suddenly my mage;s wrath might turn stamina?

    I'm well aware it's not the most popular opinion, what with stamina ruling the meta, I just dont feel the game should have to compensate for a player based decision, and I fear that should something like this happen, the flood gates will open, every skill will need to be looked at.
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