@zos close thread turning into a troll hunting ground lol.

Mettaricana

Some players skip the entire game just to pvp all day. Some players never set foot in cyrodil. Now monster helms are coming to pvp to buy with ap and gold etc right? so if pvp is getting access to pve stuff the pve players should get access to the pvp stuff in a new way.
My suggestion is finish the storyline beacuse technically your serving the alliance your fighting ep ad and dc enemies at every turn while working for your alliance just in pve mode. Now option two would be unlock a rank per each zone and vet zone you complete doing cadwells. So not only do You get the alliance skills for pve but it gives players a reason to do cadwells rather than groaning at a month of pvp they can groan through a month of cadwell.

Discuss?

laksikus

you know, you talking about gear on the one hand and skills on the other.

fact is: PVEers HAD access to pvp gear the whole time, pvp gear is bound on equip, so it was bought from PVPers for AP, and solt to PVEers for gold (at guild merchants or in Zone) same with the akaviri motif.
So PVEers had acces to pvp gear the whole time.

The new thing is, that PVPers will get access to PVE gear soon, from merchants. but that isnt the whole thing. In fact, even PVEers can buy those PVE gear now for gold.

So as it is PVEers still have the bigger advantage, they can buy pvp gear for gold, they can buy pve gear for gold, and they can get pve gear from farming.

AS PVP player you can only do 2 of those things xD
So stop the whole gear vs skill thing in threadss, its getting old and boring, and doesnt change the fact that you want to change gear for skills, which is totally crap from the start.

Mettaricana

laksikus wrote: »

you know, you talking about gear on the one hand and skills on the other.

fact is: PVEers HAD access to pvp gear the whole time, pvp gear is bound on equip, so it was bought from PVPers for AP, and solt to PVEers for gold (at guild merchants or in Zone) same with the akaviri motif.
So PVEers had acces to pvp gear the whole time.

The new thing is, that PVPers will get access to PVE gear soon, from merchants. but that isnt the whole thing. In fact, even PVEers can buy those PVE gear now for gold.

So as it is PVEers still have the bigger advantage, they can buy pvp gear for gold, they can buy pve gear for gold, and they can get pve gear from farming.

AS PVP player you can only do 2 of those things xD
So stop the whole gear vs skill thing in threadss, its getting old and boring, and doesnt change the fact that you want to change gear for skills, which is totally crap from the start.

Its not about gear its about trade off both pvp and pve have something the other wants with no desire to do each others content.and giving both a trade off to get what they want. Monster helms are coming to pvp vendors and pve still nothing but rngesus.

Brrrofski

They're not comparable.

A way to get PvP gear like shadow walkker, arch mage etc would be the equivalent, not skills. But those sets are boe so can still be bought off others anyway

laksikus

so you say to me, pvpers dont want the untaunted skills?
like 6% more stats is nothing.
Quit joking.

Without the IC willpower juwelry, most magikca dps, owuld still want cyrodiil rings very much, so only becouse IC did have a better impact on PVE, than on pvp, it doesnt negate the fact that gear is gear and skill is skill

Brrrofski

Mettaricana wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

you know, you talking about gear on the one hand and skills on the other.

fact is: PVEers HAD access to pvp gear the whole time, pvp gear is bound on equip, so it was bought from PVPers for AP, and solt to PVEers for gold (at guild merchants or in Zone) same with the akaviri motif.
So PVEers had acces to pvp gear the whole time.

The new thing is, that PVPers will get access to PVE gear soon, from merchants. but that isnt the whole thing. In fact, even PVEers can buy those PVE gear now for gold.

So as it is PVEers still have the bigger advantage, they can buy pvp gear for gold, they can buy pve gear for gold, and they can get pve gear from farming.

AS PVP player you can only do 2 of those things xD
So stop the whole gear vs skill thing in threadss, its getting old and boring, and doesnt change the fact that you want to change gear for skills, which is totally crap from the start.

Its not about gear its about trade off both pvp and pve have something the other wants with no desire to do each others content.and giving both a trade off to get what they want. Monster helms are coming to pvp vendors and pve still nothing but rngesus.

Undaunted skills and passives are wanted by most yet PvP only players can't them either.

You can buy undaunbted sets with gold. If people only spend time in pve they should be swimming in gold

laksikus

And before you come to me and say "you are a pvper, so you only want pve gear for pvp"
i tell you, I got my perfect gear for pvp already. i got a kena divine helmet, i have my spell power cure set, i do more vet PVE than PVP, and STILL got my alliance war skills.

If you want them work for it

Volkodav

Brrrofski wrote: »

Mettaricana wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

you know, you talking about gear on the one hand and skills on the other.

fact is: PVEers HAD access to pvp gear the whole time, pvp gear is bound on equip, so it was bought from PVPers for AP, and solt to PVEers for gold (at guild merchants or in Zone) same with the akaviri motif.
So PVEers had acces to pvp gear the whole time.

The new thing is, that PVPers will get access to PVE gear soon, from merchants. but that isnt the whole thing. In fact, even PVEers can buy those PVE gear now for gold.

So as it is PVEers still have the bigger advantage, they can buy pvp gear for gold, they can buy pve gear for gold, and they can get pve gear from farming.

AS PVP player you can only do 2 of those things xD
So stop the whole gear vs skill thing in threadss, its getting old and boring, and doesnt change the fact that you want to change gear for skills, which is totally crap from the start.

Its not about gear its about trade off both pvp and pve have something the other wants with no desire to do each others content.and giving both a trade off to get what they want. Monster helms are coming to pvp vendors and pve still nothing but rngesus.

Undaunted skills and passives are wanted by most yet PvP only players can't them either.

You can buy undaunbted sets with gold. If people only spend time in pve they should be swimming in gold

I do only PvE and am not swimming in gold.The constant repairing,the cots to improve,etc,takes most of it. XD

Mettaricana

Generic pvper respond.

laksikus

i think i was faster with negating your reply, than you typing, typical pvp respond. AND your point isnt valid at all

Brrrofski

Volkodav wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Mettaricana wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

you know, you talking about gear on the one hand and skills on the other.

fact is: PVEers HAD access to pvp gear the whole time, pvp gear is bound on equip, so it was bought from PVPers for AP, and solt to PVEers for gold (at guild merchants or in Zone) same with the akaviri motif.
So PVEers had acces to pvp gear the whole time.

The new thing is, that PVPers will get access to PVE gear soon, from merchants. but that isnt the whole thing. In fact, even PVEers can buy those PVE gear now for gold.

So as it is PVEers still have the bigger advantage, they can buy pvp gear for gold, they can buy pve gear for gold, and they can get pve gear from farming.

AS PVP player you can only do 2 of those things xD
So stop the whole gear vs skill thing in threadss, its getting old and boring, and doesnt change the fact that you want to change gear for skills, which is totally crap from the start.

Its not about gear its about trade off both pvp and pve have something the other wants with no desire to do each others content.and giving both a trade off to get what they want. Monster helms are coming to pvp vendors and pve still nothing but rngesus.

Undaunted skills and passives are wanted by most yet PvP only players can't them either.

You can buy undaunbted sets with gold. If people only spend time in pve they should be swimming in gold

I do only PvE and am not swimming in gold.The constant repairing,the cots to improve,etc,takes most of it. XD

Well i've been playing since Xbox launch. I play both pve and PvP. I have easily made 3-4 million in the game. So I don't know how people who only pve don't have stacks of money

FriedEggSandwich

Can I have a way to unlock undaunted mettle without doing dungeons? No? Then no you shall not have a way to unlock alliance skills without pvping.

laksikus

laksikus wrote: »

And before you come to me and say "you are a pvper, so you only want pve gear for pvp"
i tell you, I got my perfect gear for pvp already. i got a kena divine helmet, i have my spell power cure set, i do more vet PVE than PVP, and STILL got my alliance war skills.

If you want them work for it

@Mettaricana
dont abandon your threat now, becouse you cant type fast enough.

Llyw

Mettaricana wrote: »

Generic pvper respond.

Generic and typical Entitlement response to a point one can no longer defend when presented with counter points.

Volkodav

Brrrofski wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Mettaricana wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

you know, you talking about gear on the one hand and skills on the other.

fact is: PVEers HAD access to pvp gear the whole time, pvp gear is bound on equip, so it was bought from PVPers for AP, and solt to PVEers for gold (at guild merchants or in Zone) same with the akaviri motif.
So PVEers had acces to pvp gear the whole time.

The new thing is, that PVPers will get access to PVE gear soon, from merchants. but that isnt the whole thing. In fact, even PVEers can buy those PVE gear now for gold.

So as it is PVEers still have the bigger advantage, they can buy pvp gear for gold, they can buy pve gear for gold, and they can get pve gear from farming.

AS PVP player you can only do 2 of those things xD
So stop the whole gear vs skill thing in threadss, its getting old and boring, and doesnt change the fact that you want to change gear for skills, which is totally crap from the start.

Its not about gear its about trade off both pvp and pve have something the other wants with no desire to do each others content.and giving both a trade off to get what they want. Monster helms are coming to pvp vendors and pve still nothing but rngesus.

Undaunted skills and passives are wanted by most yet PvP only players can't them either.

You can buy undaunbted sets with gold. If people only spend time in pve they should be swimming in gold

I do only PvE and am not swimming in gold.The constant repairing,the cots to improve,etc,takes most of it. XD

Well i've been playing since Xbox launch. I play both pve and PvP. I have easily made 3-4 million in the game. So I don't know how people who only pve don't have stacks of money

Maybe because they arent that interested in just grinding for "3-4 million" gold.Some people just make large sums and some people dont.I dont focus on the amount of gold I have,and my bank account reflects that.Not a problem for me. I think PvPers make a lot more gold than PvErs.I wouldnt know for sure,but the people with the millions I have noticed are usually PvPers.
I'm sure someone will comment that this isnt true,but this is just my opinion.

Mettaricana

Curious on what you mean threat I said discuss? I'm not a pvper after bout two hours had enough of live action fast travel sim from keep to keep.

Point was a trade off. It wasn't all trade offs just the ones mentioned not undaunted skills passives. Not you vr14 pvp gear just the two most wanted of both skill lines and helms.

So far it mainly seems your another player who doesn't like change that feels any change to the way something is earned effects you in some way so you attack it or anyone who mentions it? Since you flew off the handle on the first reponse to topic.

Dubhliam

A quick forum search (relevant) results:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/154234/one-last-plea-for-the-new-alliance-skills
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/159480/cp-alts-and-alliance-skills
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/236779/level-alliance-war-skill-line-in-imperial-city
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/149569/make-alliance-rank-account-wide
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/150883/suggestion-account-shared-alliance-ranks
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/228988/alliance-war-skill-line-the-bar-doesnt-move-at-all
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/150726/please-allow-alliance-ranks-to-be-account-wide-its-an-even-longer-grind-than-veteran-levels
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/146374/account-wide-alliance-ranks
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/234893/pandoras-box-since-pvpers-will-be-able-to-skip-pve-to-get-gear/p1
Please! For the love of Meridia, stop making new threads.

Mettaricana

Nah man keep em goin noone said you have to click each one to read.

Alucardo

I'm so tired of this "If PVP is getting pve gear then we want your skills". They are completely different things and need to remain that way.
If you want our PVP gear like Ravager for example, by all means, I'm for that. But leave the alliance skills where they are.

Tomato

No

Volkodav

Mettaricana wrote: »

Nah man keep em goin noone said you have to click each one to read.

Yup.So true.XD

Pchela

Trust me, I see you PVE'rs getting your AP for the crap you want... the stamina builds spamming mutagen is a dead give away.

Volkodav

Pchela wrote: »

Trust me, I see you PVE'rs getting your AP for the crap you want... the stamina builds spamming mutagen is a dead give away.

Pchela wrote: »

Trust me, I see you PVE'rs getting your AP for the crap you want... the stamina builds spamming mutagen is a dead give away.

Ok,..this is REALLY gonna seem dumb,but I'll ask anyway.I see the term "mutagen" all the time,and wonder what it means.Can someone tell me without trying to make me seem like an idiot? I use Stamina builds,so it would be a good thing to know about,I think. :}

Docmandu

Mettaricana wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

you know, you talking about gear on the one hand and skills on the other.

fact is: PVEers HAD access to pvp gear the whole time, pvp gear is bound on equip, so it was bought from PVPers for AP, and solt to PVEers for gold (at guild merchants or in Zone) same with the akaviri motif.
So PVEers had acces to pvp gear the whole time.

The new thing is, that PVPers will get access to PVE gear soon, from merchants. but that isnt the whole thing. In fact, even PVEers can buy those PVE gear now for gold.

So as it is PVEers still have the bigger advantage, they can buy pvp gear for gold, they can buy pve gear for gold, and they can get pve gear from farming.

AS PVP player you can only do 2 of those things xD
So stop the whole gear vs skill thing in threadss, its getting old and boring, and doesnt change the fact that you want to change gear for skills, which is totally crap from the start.

Its not about gear its about trade off both pvp and pve have something the other wants with no desire to do each others content.and giving both a trade off to get what they want. Monster helms are coming to pvp vendors and pve still nothing but rngesus.

The monster sets will be sold for gold or AP.. so you too, as a PvE player can get them.

Pchela

Volkodav wrote: »

Pchela wrote: »

Trust me, I see you PVE'rs getting your AP for the crap you want... the stamina builds spamming mutagen is a dead give away.

Pchela wrote: »

Trust me, I see you PVE'rs getting your AP for the crap you want... the stamina builds spamming mutagen is a dead give away.

Ok,..this is REALLY gonna seem dumb,but I'll ask anyway.I see the term "mutagen" all the time,and wonder what it means.Can someone tell me without trying to make me seem like an idiot? I use Stamina builds,so it would be a good thing to know about,I think. :}

Mutagen is a skill from the restoration staff line. Many people will use it to 'tag' players to leech their AP, and not even be a healing spec. There have been fights where I've seen more mutagen going out than DPS...

daemonios

Volkodav wrote: »

Pchela wrote: »

Trust me, I see you PVE'rs getting your AP for the crap you want... the stamina builds spamming mutagen is a dead give away.

Pchela wrote: »

Trust me, I see you PVE'rs getting your AP for the crap you want... the stamina builds spamming mutagen is a dead give away.

Ok,..this is REALLY gonna seem dumb,but I'll ask anyway.I see the term "mutagen" all the time,and wonder what it means.Can someone tell me without trying to make me seem like an idiot? I use Stamina builds,so it would be a good thing to know about,I think. :}

It's a morph of a resto staff skill, the other morph being rapid regen.

On topic, I wish ZOS would leave the game as is. If necessary, fiddle with drop rates and BoE/BoP, but I'm happy with PvP and PvE having their own zones and content.

Signed,
Someone who PvEs 99% of the time.

Volkodav

Thanks ,guys,for letting me know.I use a destruction staff,as the restro one seems rather squishy to me.I'll have to check out the rest staff then.
(dont worry,I wont misuse it.)

HebrewHatchet

Mutagen is a morph of the skill "regeneration" in the restoration staff skill line. It's used for farming AP.

laksikus

OP is pissed cos he is talking ***^^
talking about enxt update, and talking about v14 pvp gear in the same sentance.

talking about skills and gear, and wants to trade them.
and then is pissed after you tell him exactly how it is.

laksikus

btw. i think most pvpers that really wanted monster helmets, have them already. if you dont have alliance skills, just means youa re lazy xD

And i bet, that there will be as many Buys from PVEers as from PVPers, when the merchant comes

Mettaricana

laksikus wrote: »

OP is pissed cos he is talking ***^^
talking about enxt update, and talking about v14 pvp gear in the same sentance.

talking about skills and gear, and wants to trade them.
and then is pissed after you tell him exactly how it is.

I'm not pissed just stopped caring after overwhelming negativity