Unfair to sorc!!!!

flubber77

Well, streak do have double price if used within 4 sec? thats ok for me, but then u should do the same thing for gapcloser also, ambush and critical rush and all other gapcloser u can use to catch the streak.

Asherons_Call

Don't say the N word (rhymes with berf) or we will have to feed this thread to the mudcrabs

Kammakazi

No.

flubber77

i dont want nerf for this skills but i think its unfear, only way for sorc to get away from stamina build is streak, or die trying to wrecking blow. i did 10+ streak today and the same dude used critical rush and killed me. something needs to be done....

danno8

Can I use my gap closer without a target? Then sure.

Sithisvoid

Don't run. Stand and fight problem solved

NinjaMyk

flubber77 wrote: »

i dont want nerf for this skills but i think its unfear, only way for sorc to get away from stamina build is streak, or die trying to wrecking blow. i did 10+ streak today and the same dude used critical rush and killed me. something needs to be done....

First things that guy was timing his crit Rush perfectly to catch you it isn't just button mashing to get that right so he probably deserved to kill you.

Second you could try and escape without just streaking in a line for example streak, boundless storm, run a few secs, streak, dodge roll, streak. This would not empty your mag pool leaving you with defence if he really persistant. Or streak away then turn around streak through him for the stun drop mines and streak away if he crit rushed into your mines by time he break free you should be too far away

Alucardo

Streak isn't a gap closer. You can bolt around the map and out of danger without the need of a target. Sure, I can crit rush out of danger while in IC, but I have to zig zag through mobs to do it. Don't you dare nerf my gap closer.

Potenza

Sithisvoid wrote: »

Don't run. Stand and fight problem solved

Doesn't work that way and you know it. Light armor character standing and fighting a heavy armor, wrecking blow DK is just dumb.

Cathexis

I totally agree for ambush and it should have its cost increase exponentially with other players casting ambush nearby.

Lexxypwns

j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »

Sithisvoid wrote: »

Don't run. Stand and fight problem solved

Doesn't work that way and you know it. Light armor character standing and fighting a heavy armor, wrecking blow DK is just dumb.

eh, if its not an AMAZING player, a wb spam dk is gonna get dumpstered by even a decent magika sorc, let alone a good one, heavy armor or not

the scary DKs are the puncture,la,bash cancel ones with infinity sustain anyway

Lorkhan

@Wrobel , why i cant crit shields?

zornyan

flubber77 wrote: »

Well, streak do have double price if used within 4 sec? thats ok for me, but then u should do the same thing for gapcloser also, ambush and critical rush and all other gapcloser u can use to catch the streak.

You trolling brah?

Try playing a dk or templar , we have no streak, as in you literially have no way of escaping a fight.

Alucardo

zornyan wrote: »

Try playing a dk or templar , we have no streak, as in you literially have no way of escaping a fight.

No, we limp away with our weak as *** shields like real men!

UltimaJoe777

A gap closer and an escape skill are not the same thing.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Nerf gap closer so you can do what sorcs were doing pre-BE nerf and just zip between players for ever stunning.

Any one got a mallet think it's time to start breaking legs.

Solanum

This suggestion means that a sorcerer, thanks to better resource management, would be able to disengage from every fight whenever they want, for however long they want. And that gapclosers could never close the gap due to running out of resources.

After a few streaks, and the dark exchange the sorcerer can proceed to blow up whomever was foolish enough to follow him, because they are utterly out of resources.

MrGigglypants

flubber77 wrote: »

i dont want nerf for this skills but i think its unfear, only way for sorc to get away from stamina build is streak, or die trying to wrecking blow. i did 10+ streak today and the same dude used critical rush and killed me. something needs to be done....

No this isn't a game of escapes it's pvp. You shouldn't be able to just telephoto away Willie nilly, kill or be killed.

MrGigglypants

Lorkhan wrote: »

@Wrobel , why i cant crit shields?

Right.. or just nerf healing ward in pvp already. Healing ward is the real issue hardened is easy to go through but the 20k healing ward with 9k hardened to protect it till the health procs is what gives players trouble

Essiaga

flubber77 wrote: »

Well, streak do have double price if used within 4 sec? thats ok for me, but then u should do the same thing for gapcloser also, ambush and critical rush and all other gapcloser u can use to catch the streak.

It does seem unfair that you can be killed. Have you tried another class? I hear BOL is OP. Maybe try a Templar.

Ambush is the only gap closer that doesn't require a gap. Every other one requires distance and if you create the distance it has to be able to be closed other wise you are IMMORTAL! The issue is the Streak was (and arguably is still) OP and annoying to any not using it as there is no counter to it ... accept gap closers. I think something needs done about DPS as it counters BOL ... sounds silly when someone else says things like that.

Streak is an AOE STUN that doesn't require a target. It also does damage and can execute with class passive. It's exploited to no end in IC, despite its increasing cost. I honestly don't understand this frustration with being killed. If you must win 100% of the time why PVP?

flubber77 wrote: »

i dont want nerf for this skills but i think its unfear, only way for sorc to get away from stamina build is streak, or die trying to wrecking blow. i did 10+ streak today and the same dude used critical rush and killed me. something needs to be done....

10+ streaks? That's a lot of magicka. 10 of pretty much any attack should kill you. That's 2.5k damage per if you have 25k health, which most don't. Did you not have ward up?

Maybe adjust your builds. Many players Min/Max DPS and think that should mean "I win." You have DPS to spare. Lets use some crazy talk ... You could use S&B. You could Puncture to decrease his resistance and have more armor with shields and higher stats, etc ... but then you'd have to equip something other the DW. Stacking spell damage has it's downfalls. Min/max mentality is killing this game.

Against Crit Charge to WB ... curse, streak through with Wards up. Then attack. Both of those skills can proct CF when he crit rushes you with your 10-16k shields you're life won't be touched and you can pop CF in his face followed by ult and execute.

If your using a Staff you can use weapon attacks to regen magicka to up keep your shields and weave Force Pulse. You could also use impulse to drop his health by 15% making it easier for you to burst him down. That just off the top of my head. I feel Sorc is easy mode. I played my Sorc in PVP maybe twice as a v1 in vet. It feels like cheating to me and I'm a crappy Sorc.

The rest of us magicka builds have to block, dodge or attempt to walk out of the way of WB. Our major class attacks require melee range (Jabs, Whip, Concealed Weapon) so gap closers are important to us. for Templar and even DK they are our only form of in class mobility. With out them Streaking Sorcs with huge shields and amazing burst dps will be impossible to kill.

The increased cost is only if cast with in 4 seconds. That's it's limitation. I would understand if you asked for it changed to 3 second. Raising its cost in general would hurt Stam sorc's. It's as annoying as a NB spamming Ambush, DK spamming talons, or Templar spamming BOL, Or stam build spamming WB or bombard or Steel Tornado, etc.

Gap closers require a target and (aside from Ambush) require distance. Those are their limitations.

Everybody dies. Try another class. You'll see.

Emma_Overload

Gap closers don't need a nerf, but Streak and BoL need to be revamped and yes, BUFFED to fit the reality of PvP today.

Sorc killers use far less resources to close that distance than Sorcs spend trying to get away from them, and that's not right. In the IC, half the time you bolt into a wall or a banner boss... is it fair to pay expontially increased cost for such dubious performance? ZOS needs to remember that the original point of this spell is ESCAPE, hence the name "Bolt Escape". I can honestly say that Bolt FAILS as an escape tool in the Imperial City, so maybe it's time for a complete overhaul of this spell.

BigTone

The gap closer spam has been real lately. IMO spamming gap closers should have the same exponential penalty as spamming roll dodge, but this is not a sorc issue.

And I still go back to my original suggestion about the bolt escape cost increase: If you are spamming it to get away from a fight, then the cost should increase but if you are hitting players with it and causing damage then the cost should not increase.

acw37162

Cough, ****bulls$@t******* cough

Sorry this is another I can only streak four times before my blue bar empty so just make everyone miserable.

Scaling cost for streak and dodge roll is one of my least favorite additions to the game please stop asking for more of it.

It's like eating bad food and trying to give it to others because it so bad.

Artjuh90

funny to see people asking for BoL nerfs while magicka templars aren't even doing good in PvP xD. it is like the one thing they still got left

UltimaJoe777

BigTone wrote: »

The gap closer spam has been real lately. IMO spamming gap closers should have the same exponential penalty as spamming roll dodge, but this is not a sorc issue.

And I still go back to my original suggestion about the bolt escape cost increase: If you are spamming it to get away from a fight, then the cost should increase but if you are hitting players with it and causing damage then the cost should not increase.

Thing is Dodge Roll is an escape method too, hence the penalty.

BigTone

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

BigTone wrote: »

The gap closer spam has been real lately. IMO spamming gap closers should have the same exponential penalty as spamming roll dodge, but this is not a sorc issue.

And I still go back to my original suggestion about the bolt escape cost increase: If you are spamming it to get away from a fight, then the cost should increase but if you are hitting players with it and causing damage then the cost should not increase.

Thing is Dodge Roll is an escape method too, hence the penalty.

I'm not saying I don't like the dodge rolling penalty, it actually is effective. What I don't like is the gap closer spam, ambush and ambush on end or replace with crit rush. The fact is right now if you outnumber your opponent, you can just gap close him to death because of the mini stun built in. Its a bad game mechanic.

Either remove the mini stun lock built in to gap closers or make the cost increase exponentially.

tinythinker

Lexxypwns wrote: »

j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »

Sithisvoid wrote: »

Don't run. Stand and fight problem solved

Doesn't work that way and you know it. Light armor character standing and fighting a heavy armor, wrecking blow DK is just dumb.

eh, if its not an AMAZING player, a wb spam dk is gonna get dumpstered by even a decent magika sorc, let alone a good one, heavy armor or not

the scary DKs are the puncture,la,bash cancel ones with infinity sustain anyway

Two of my character are Sorcs. In all sincerity I would love to be able beat down non-scary DKs or other wrecking blow spammers. Any instruction on how that works with average to subpar gear would be much appreciated. When I'm on a Sorc I get hit --> CCed --> hit --> die

Kova

Nothing ending with exclamation marks has ever been a good idea unless you're trying to purposefully prove this statement wrong.


Wish I had my momentum back, though. Tired of freezing in the air.

AfkNinja

Streak is incredible, but if you streak in a strait line you deserve to get caught. You should have been trying to break line of sight so you could sneak away. Anyone will catch you if you just run in a strait line lol.

Detector

streak work without target! ambush and critical rush and all other gapcloser - need target. so close...

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Streak was nerfed because crying NBs and DKs didn't want to learn to play and learn how to use gap closers to catch them.

Note that this was back in the day when it actually took a bit of skill to use gap closer to catch a sorc. You had to time it just right. There was no mini-stun/root that GUARANTEED your gap closer would connect like there is now.

Now that gap closers hard counter streak 100% of the time, streak should be un-nerfed so that it doesn't punish you for using it.

No other skill in the game punishes you for spamming it. Either add cooldowns to all skills or make this game about resource management again.