[Video] DK PVP: Nooo, noo he wasn't ready!

Scrippie10

Just a few clips I put together of some of the shenanigans my DK gets in.

The real action starts at 0:27 but I recommend watching our bully circle. What would you do if a group of guys circled you and bashed you to death? Lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbBehy6kVSo
https://youtube.com/watch?v=AbBehy6kVSo

*Disclaimer there's one clip of my nightblade popping a batnado. I put it there cause she's a pretty Bih. (◡‿◡✿)

Enjoy!

Manoekin

@40 seconds, as if we needed more evidence of wrecking blow auto aiming and hitting from way outside its max range -_-

Ernest145

Pathetic how cyrodiil pvp is everyone just running one shot gank builds.

hammayolettuce

So i take it the DKs who cant magicka or stam just use this build now?

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Ernest145

hammayolettuce wrote: »

So i take it the DKs who cant magicka or stam just use this build now?

But doesn't asgari do the same but just with dual wield? Not saying he is a bad player I know he is good but it is just dumb how this is even possible in pvp. If zos was smart they would just get rid of camo hunter morph and change it to something else, attacking from stealth already provides more damage, a stun, and the ability to start the engagement when and how they want. Damage is already high enough, there is no reason at all for camo hunter.

kkravaritieb17_ESO

Oh look its another xeloki....what a surprise.

hammayolettuce

Ernest145 wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

So i take it the DKs who cant magicka or stam just use this build now?

But doesn't asgari do the same but just with dual wield? Not saying he is a bad player I know he is good but it is just dumb how this is even possible in pvp. If zos was smart they would just get rid of camo hunter morph and change it to something else, attacking from stealth already provides more damage, a stun, and the ability to start the engagement when and how they want. Damage is already high enough, there is no reason at all for camo hunter.

Im pretty sure Asgari isnt running a 1 shot build. It just so happens that DW heavy attacks can 1 shot vamps with camo hunter. What is in this video and what Asgari uses are two completely different builds and the only similar thing would be they are both stamina.

This build in this video is utterly useless when you arent in stealth for a 1 shot.

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Scrippie10

hammayolettuce wrote: »

So i take it the DKs who cant magicka or stam just use this build now?

kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »

Oh look its another xeloki....what a surprise.

Stamina builds don't have very many options. Especially stamina DK's. What skills would you like us to use?Honestly? I'm sure if ZOS gave stamina builds stamina morphs of what's already available people would not run similar builds.

Unfortunately that is not the case and most of us are forced to rely on 2H. As it provides the best damage.

I've experimented, I've used dual wield/2H. Dual wield/S&B, 2H/Bow. Check out my other videos, I normally run dual wiled/S&B in group play.

As for a Magicka DK in pvp... really? Playing a DK is like playing hard mode already, don't get me wrong I've seen some magicka DK' be able to pull it off but why would I want to bash my head further more in pvp? It's not optimal, especially not on a redguard XD

Ernest145

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Ernest145 wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

So i take it the DKs who cant magicka or stam just use this build now?

But doesn't asgari do the same but just with dual wield? Not saying he is a bad player I know he is good but it is just dumb how this is even possible in pvp. If zos was smart they would just get rid of camo hunter morph and change it to something else, attacking from stealth already provides more damage, a stun, and the ability to start the engagement when and how they want. Damage is already high enough, there is no reason at all for camo hunter.

Im pretty sure Asgari isnt running a 1 shot build. It just so happens that DW heavy attacks can 1 shot vamps with camo hunter. What is in this video and what Asgari uses are two completely different builds and the only similar thing would be they are both stamina.

This build in this video is utterly useless when you arent in stealth for a 1 shot.

When I compared them I meant how both builds can one shot players from stealth so they are both similar in that way also. I'm sure Asgari's build is made more towards 1vx situations, as I stated before I'm not talking bad about Asgari or his build. Just saying it's pretty stupid how this is possible even when you don't have to fully build towards one shotting.

hammayolettuce

Scrippie10 wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

So i take it the DKs who cant magicka or stam just use this build now?

kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »

Oh look its another xeloki....what a surprise.

Stamina builds don't have very many options. Especially stamina DK's. What skills would you like us to use?Honestly? I'm sure if ZOS gave stamina builds stamina morphs of what's already available people would not run similar builds.

Unfortunately that is not the case and most of us are forced to rely on 2H. As it provides the best damage.

I've experimented, I've used dual wield/2H. Dual wield/S&B, 2H/Bow. Check out my other videos, I normally run dual wiled/S&B in group play.

As for a Magicka DK in pvp... really? Playing a DK is like playing hard mode already, don't get me wrong I've seen some magicka DK' be able to pull it off but why would I want to bash my head further more in pvp? It's not optimal, especially not on a redguard XD

Stamina DK is not hardmode and I would put stamina DK in a class of easy mode. If you think its tough to play then it is a l2p issue. The difference between stamina DK and Magicka is worlds apart. The stamina variant has much better sustain and survability, along with the burst dmg needed to win fights consistently.

DK using the heavy attack silver shards combo is pure cheese and takes zero skill whatsoever to complete a kill.

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hammayolettuce

Ernest145 wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Ernest145 wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

So i take it the DKs who cant magicka or stam just use this build now?

But doesn't asgari do the same but just with dual wield? Not saying he is a bad player I know he is good but it is just dumb how this is even possible in pvp. If zos was smart they would just get rid of camo hunter morph and change it to something else, attacking from stealth already provides more damage, a stun, and the ability to start the engagement when and how they want. Damage is already high enough, there is no reason at all for camo hunter.

Im pretty sure Asgari isnt running a 1 shot build. It just so happens that DW heavy attacks can 1 shot vamps with camo hunter. What is in this video and what Asgari uses are two completely different builds and the only similar thing would be they are both stamina.

This build in this video is utterly useless when you arent in stealth for a 1 shot.

When I compared them I meant how both builds can one shot players from stealth so they are both similar in that way also. I'm sure Asgari's build is made more towards 1vx situations, as I stated before I'm not talking bad about Asgari or his build. Just saying it's pretty stupid how this is possible even when you don't have to fully build towards one shotting.

Its camo hunter that gives the chance to 1 shot in 98% of the times it occurs, its why I dont use vamp anymore and neither do a lot of the people I play with.

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kkravaritieb17_ESO

Heavy attack silver shards dk is the fotm build so plz dont pretend its difficult to play.

Ernest145

Scrippie10 wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

So i take it the DKs who cant magicka or stam just use this build now?

kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »

Oh look its another xeloki....what a surprise.

Stamina builds don't have very many options. Especially stamina DK's. What skills would you like us to use?Honestly? I'm sure if ZOS gave stamina builds stamina morphs of what's already available people would not run similar builds.

Unfortunately that is not the case and most of us are forced to rely on 2H. As it provides the best damage.

I've experimented, I've used dual wield/2H. Dual wield/S&B, 2H/Bow. Check out my other videos, I normally run dual wiled/S&B in group play.

As for a Magicka DK in pvp... really? Playing a DK is like playing hard mode already, don't get me wrong I've seen some magicka DK' be able to pull it off but why would I want to bash my head further more in pvp? It's not optimal, especially not on a redguard XD

It's the fact that you play stam dk as a ganker. Also, stam dk is one of the top play styles.

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Ernest145 wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Ernest145 wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

So i take it the DKs who cant magicka or stam just use this build now?

But doesn't asgari do the same but just with dual wield? Not saying he is a bad player I know he is good but it is just dumb how this is even possible in pvp. If zos was smart they would just get rid of camo hunter morph and change it to something else, attacking from stealth already provides more damage, a stun, and the ability to start the engagement when and how they want. Damage is already high enough, there is no reason at all for camo hunter.

Im pretty sure Asgari isnt running a 1 shot build. It just so happens that DW heavy attacks can 1 shot vamps with camo hunter. What is in this video and what Asgari uses are two completely different builds and the only similar thing would be they are both stamina.

This build in this video is utterly useless when you arent in stealth for a 1 shot.

When I compared them I meant how both builds can one shot players from stealth so they are both similar in that way also. I'm sure Asgari's build is made more towards 1vx situations, as I stated before I'm not talking bad about Asgari or his build. Just saying it's pretty stupid how this is possible even when you don't have to fully build towards one shotting.

Its camo hunter that gives the chance to 1 shot in 98% of the times it occurs, its why I dont use vamp anymore and neither do a lot of the people I play with.

I agree, pretty much makes vamp not viable at all for solo/small group play.

Ernest145

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Ernest145 wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Ernest145 wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

So i take it the DKs who cant magicka or stam just use this build now?

But doesn't asgari do the same but just with dual wield? Not saying he is a bad player I know he is good but it is just dumb how this is even possible in pvp. If zos was smart they would just get rid of camo hunter morph and change it to something else, attacking from stealth already provides more damage, a stun, and the ability to start the engagement when and how they want. Damage is already high enough, there is no reason at all for camo hunter.

Im pretty sure Asgari isnt running a 1 shot build. It just so happens that DW heavy attacks can 1 shot vamps with camo hunter. What is in this video and what Asgari uses are two completely different builds and the only similar thing would be they are both stamina.

This build in this video is utterly useless when you arent in stealth for a 1 shot.

When I compared them I meant how both builds can one shot players from stealth so they are both similar in that way also. I'm sure Asgari's build is made more towards 1vx situations, as I stated before I'm not talking bad about Asgari or his build. Just saying it's pretty stupid how this is possible even when you don't have to fully build towards one shotting.

Its camo hunter that gives the chance to 1 shot in 98% of the times it occurs, its why I dont use vamp anymore and neither do a lot of the people I play with.

I agree, pretty much makes vamp not viable at all for solo/small group play.[/quote]

sorry double post

Scrippie10

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Scrippie10 wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

So i take it the DKs who cant magicka or stam just use this build now?

kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »

Oh look its another xeloki....what a surprise.

Stamina builds don't have very many options. Especially stamina DK's. What skills would you like us to use?Honestly? I'm sure if ZOS gave stamina builds stamina morphs of what's already available people would not run similar builds.

Unfortunately that is not the case and most of us are forced to rely on 2H. As it provides the best damage.

I've experimented, I've used dual wield/2H. Dual wield/S&B, 2H/Bow. Check out my other videos, I normally run dual wiled/S&B in group play.

As for a Magicka DK in pvp... really? Playing a DK is like playing hard mode already, don't get me wrong I've seen some magicka DK' be able to pull it off but why would I want to bash my head further more in pvp? It's not optimal, especially not on a redguard XD

Stamina DK is not hardmode and I would put stamina DK in a class of easy mode. If you think its tough to play then it is a l2p issue. The difference between stamina DK and Magicka is worlds apart. The stamina variant has much better sustain and survability, along with the burst dmg needed to win fights consistently.

DK using the heavy attack silver shards combo is pure cheese and takes zero skill whatsoever to complete a kill.

The reason I think it's tougher compared to other classes is because we don't get as many options, I hardly use any of my class skills because it's not optimal. Call it whatever you want. Also feel free to give me suggestions as to something else/ other combos to run. I don't mind testing things out.

Plus this isn't my main build. I only run this in small group play.

Scrippie10

@Alcast do you get this much love on your posts? lol It's a pretty fun build btw.

Manoekin

I don't get the hate on the guys build I wish the video wasn't as much ganking and more actual fights, but it's whatever. No reason to bash the guy.

hammayolettuce

Manoekin wrote: »

I don't get the hate on the guys build I wish the video wasn't as much ganking and more actual fights, but it's whatever. No reason to bash the guy.

Forum PvP is much worse. Posting here comes at a price

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Mumyo

this isnt entertainig or good in any way.

Alcast

Scrippie10 wrote: »

@Alcast do you get this much love on your posts? lol It's a pretty fun build btw.

Nice kills haha, yep, some ppl are cheesy, I mean, just run radiant magelight and you will not get ganked, but I guess ppl find it more usefull to come on forum and QQ, clearly they need to l2p.

And people talking about easymode, the biggest easymode there is is magicka sorc and magicka NB which is 95% of the ESO community atm

Rylana

Alcast wrote: »

Scrippie10 wrote: »

@Alcast do you get this much love on your posts? lol It's a pretty fun build btw.

Nice kills haha, yep, some ppl are cheesy, I mean, just run radiant magelight and you will not get ganked, but I guess ppl find it more usefull to come on forum and QQ, clearly they need to l2p.

And people talking about easymode, the biggest easymode there is is magicka sorc and magicka NB which is 95% of the ESO community atm

Rylana - Stam DK
Kailiana - Stam NB
Victoria - Hybrid testbed sorc lowbie
Minerva - Magicka Templar
Believe what you like - level 3 mule
Lyzara - Magicka Sorc
Dannika - Magicka DK
Catman - Stamplar


Tell me again this 95 percent figure. Also, camo hunter double proc is ***, has been for months. Anyone who "relies" on it to get kills is just plain bad, pure and simple.

Meanwhile my Stamblade (who uses the evil hunter morph, screenshots can be provided) can single rotation gank just about anyone it comes across. Why? because stam builds dont need cheese camo hunter to be super effective.

Again, camo hunter crutchers are bad players.

Scrippie10

Rylana wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Scrippie10 wrote: »

@Alcast do you get this much love on your posts? lol It's a pretty fun build btw.

Nice kills haha, yep, some ppl are cheesy, I mean, just run radiant magelight and you will not get ganked, but I guess ppl find it more usefull to come on forum and QQ, clearly they need to l2p.

And people talking about easymode, the biggest easymode there is is magicka sorc and magicka NB which is 95% of the ESO community atm

Rylana - Stam DK
Kailiana - Stam NB
Victoria - Hybrid testbed sorc lowbie
Minerva - Magicka Templar
Believe what you like - level 3 mule
Lyzara - Magicka Sorc
Dannika - Magicka DK
Catman - Stamplar


Tell me again this 95 percent figure. Also, camo hunter double proc is ***, has been for months. Anyone who "relies" on it to get kills is just plain bad, pure and simple.

Meanwhile my Stamblade (who uses the evil hunter morph, screenshots can be provided) can single rotation gank just about anyone it comes across. Why? because stam builds dont need cheese camo hunter to be super effective.

Again, camo hunter crutchers are bad players.

Currently a large percentage of the PVP community runs a Sorc or NB. You can't deny that. Even if you have multiple characters, which is your main pvp character? It sounds like it may be the NB. But I may be wrong.

Alcast

Rylana wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Scrippie10 wrote: »

@Alcast do you get this much love on your posts? lol It's a pretty fun build btw.

Nice kills haha, yep, some ppl are cheesy, I mean, just run radiant magelight and you will not get ganked, but I guess ppl find it more usefull to come on forum and QQ, clearly they need to l2p.

And people talking about easymode, the biggest easymode there is is magicka sorc and magicka NB which is 95% of the ESO community atm

Rylana - Stam DK
Kailiana - Stam NB
Victoria - Hybrid testbed sorc lowbie
Minerva - Magicka Templar
Believe what you like - level 3 mule
Lyzara - Magicka Sorc
Dannika - Magicka DK
Catman - Stamplar


Tell me again this 95 percent figure. Also, camo hunter double proc is ***, has been for months. Anyone who "relies" on it to get kills is just plain bad, pure and simple.

Meanwhile my Stamblade (who uses the evil hunter morph, screenshots can be provided) can single rotation gank just about anyone it comes across. Why? because stam builds dont need cheese camo hunter to be super effective.

Again, camo hunter crutchers are bad players.

I guess then you are one of the "Special ones"

I could Wblow ppl easy up too, but then ppl would call me Wblow spamer, do you get the irony? No matter what I do ppl will always QQ

In the end it is simple, either the enemy is dead or I am dead. And believe it or not, i prefer to be alive if possibru. If you want fair fights then you are in the wrong game LOL

Rylana

Scrippie10 wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Scrippie10 wrote: »

@Alcast do you get this much love on your posts? lol It's a pretty fun build btw.

Nice kills haha, yep, some ppl are cheesy, I mean, just run radiant magelight and you will not get ganked, but I guess ppl find it more usefull to come on forum and QQ, clearly they need to l2p.

And people talking about easymode, the biggest easymode there is is magicka sorc and magicka NB which is 95% of the ESO community atm

Rylana - Stam DK
Kailiana - Stam NB
Victoria - Hybrid testbed sorc lowbie
Minerva - Magicka Templar
Believe what you like - level 3 mule
Lyzara - Magicka Sorc
Dannika - Magicka DK
Catman - Stamplar


Tell me again this 95 percent figure. Also, camo hunter double proc is ***, has been for months. Anyone who "relies" on it to get kills is just plain bad, pure and simple.

Meanwhile my Stamblade (who uses the evil hunter morph, screenshots can be provided) can single rotation gank just about anyone it comes across. Why? because stam builds dont need cheese camo hunter to be super effective.

Again, camo hunter crutchers are bad players.

Currently a large percentage of the PVP community runs a Sorc or NB. You can't deny that. Even if you have multiple characters, which is your main pvp character? It sounds like it may be the NB. But I may be wrong.

I play them all, there is no actual "main." My most /played char is my Stam DK. (stam before it was cool btw, switched it at the start of 1.5 when i rolled up the new magicka dk in DC)

The only reason my Sorc gets as much playtime as it does is because its my only EP char and my EP guild is my most active.

The "how many of each class" argument is a fallacy. Volume or quality is how I would retort. Sure, lots and lots of kitties and elves with sharp pointy stabstab. A bare sliver of them are actually a real threat, and most just buzz off the moment their opener does little more than tickle. Amazing what camo hunter does for them, i see more and more switching every day because of vids like this.

Therefore, my argument stands.

Alucardo

Scrippie10 wrote: »

Also feel free to give me suggestions as to something else/ other combos to run. I don't mind testing things out.

Plus this isn't my main build. I only run this in small group play.

This is becoming a problem. People are too scared to run particular builds because they don't want to be called out. I stopped using wrecking blow so often because of all the hate whispers. I enjoy the taste of salty tears but it's drying my mouth out now.

It's no longer play how you want, it's play how other people want. Do whatever you want to do - whatever works for you and don't listen to the complainers. Why fix something that isn't broken?

Rylana

Alucardo wrote: »

Scrippie10 wrote: »

Also feel free to give me suggestions as to something else/ other combos to run. I don't mind testing things out.

Plus this isn't my main build. I only run this in small group play.

This is becoming a problem. People are too scared to run particular builds because they don't want to be called out. I stopped using wrecking blow so often because of all the hate whispers. I enjoy the taste of salty tears but it's drying my mouth out now.

It's no longer play how you want, it's play how other people want. Do whatever you want to do - whatever works for you and don't listen to the complainers. Why fix something that isn't broken?

Nah youre seeing it from the wrong perspective.

Look at it this way, it will make more sense.

Broken, overpowered, out of scale ability, synergy, morph, or item is discovered on PTS or early in a patch

It remains mostly secret for some time, only a few people know how its done or works. Meanwhile they know full well its broken because who the heck would code something like this? However, instead of reporting it, they use it as much as they can to gain as much advantage and AP/Gold/items/kills/emperors/whatever as possible, knowing it will be fixed "someday" (see entire history of ESO for examples)

It starts being noticed more widely as word of mouth, youtube vids, and death recaps show more of it, but the first batch of people blame it on lag or something else silly.

People finally realize it for what it is, a blatant abused bug, exploit, or something horribly out of balance.

It is replicated eventually by someone with a really big guild or wide following

IT IS NOW META EVERYWHERE HOLY MOTHER OF GOD

The nerf calls, fix calls, shaming begin

The original users defiantly do everything in their power to justify or defend their cheese.

Much anger ensues as the large guilds and wide playerbases have adopted its practice in PvE or some other application, the sky is falling, rawr, its working as intended, dont ruinz our immershuns, everyone else does it, its just the new meta, l2p.

ZoS a couple months later finally fixes it, long long after it was first reported, the damage to the community irreparable.

The original users quietly go back into the shadows until next PTS

Repeat the last 10 or so steps. (and its usually the same people each time it starts)

Alcast

Alucardo wrote: »

Scrippie10 wrote: »

Also feel free to give me suggestions as to something else/ other combos to run. I don't mind testing things out.

Plus this isn't my main build. I only run this in small group play.

This is becoming a problem. People are too scared to run particular builds because they don't want to be called out. I stopped using wrecking blow so often because of all the hate whispers. I enjoy the taste of salty tears but it's drying my mouth out now.

It's no longer play how you want, it's play how other people want. Do whatever you want to do - whatever works for you and don't listen to the complainers. Why fix something that isn't broken?

Play how you want, who cares about the QQ from other players? People always find excuses, its simple.

NBs spam cloak, spam surprise attack
Sorcs spam bolt
Temps spam BoL
Dks spam Whip

Everybody spams something because DoTs are useless in this game because way too easy purgable. Ofcourse sb ends up spamming the skill that does the most damage.

@Rylana the only reason it does so much damage is because the build is full weap dmg/stam. I do have like 750 stam rec(https://i.gyazo.com/c7d923fb42d1c2b43232c3db8d09f8cb.png) There is sorcs that run full spelldmg/magicka with P det+curse+frag and the enemy is 100% RIP. Nobody complains about that.


Then Ppl call for Steel tornado nerf bc zergs run taht stuff 24/7 now, guess what, once that is nerfed they go over to bombard and realizse it is stronger than STornado. and so on...and so on...

Rylana

Alcast wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Scrippie10 wrote: »

Also feel free to give me suggestions as to something else/ other combos to run. I don't mind testing things out.

Plus this isn't my main build. I only run this in small group play.

This is becoming a problem. People are too scared to run particular builds because they don't want to be called out. I stopped using wrecking blow so often because of all the hate whispers. I enjoy the taste of salty tears but it's drying my mouth out now.

It's no longer play how you want, it's play how other people want. Do whatever you want to do - whatever works for you and don't listen to the complainers. Why fix something that isn't broken?

Play how you want, who cares about the QQ from other players? People always find excuses, its simple.

NBs spam cloak, spam surprise attack
Sorcs spam bolt
Temps spam BoL
Dks spam Whip

Everybody spams something because DoTs are useless in this game because way too easy purgable. Ofcourse sb ends up spamming the skill that does the most damage.

@Rylana the only reason it does so much damage is because the build is full weap dmg/stam. I do have like 750 stam rec(https://i.gyazo.com/c7d923fb42d1c2b43232c3db8d09f8cb.png) There is sorcs that run full spelldmg/magicka with P det+curse+frag and the enemy is 100% RIP. Nobody complains about that.


Then Ppl call for Steel tornado nerf bc zergs run taht stuff 24/7 now, guess what, once that is nerfed they go over to bombard and realizse it is stronger than STornado. and so on...and so on...

While you are clearly seeing the overall meta issue (gravitation towards optimal) youre still missing my point I think. That in the beginning of a development/testing cycle theres always "that guy" that finds the really broken thing (like camo hunter as the latest example) and tries to justify its use.

its obviously broken, since its proccing from multiple damage sources only requiring one ability/action to cause, multiple times. Some of us know the secrets, too, and while we try to get the actually BROKEN stuff fixed, guys like you applaud its use? cmon man, we might as well have damage immunity on breaches using caltrops again.

Manoekin

Rylana wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Scrippie10 wrote: »

Also feel free to give me suggestions as to something else/ other combos to run. I don't mind testing things out.

Plus this isn't my main build. I only run this in small group play.

This is becoming a problem. People are too scared to run particular builds because they don't want to be called out. I stopped using wrecking blow so often because of all the hate whispers. I enjoy the taste of salty tears but it's drying my mouth out now.

It's no longer play how you want, it's play how other people want. Do whatever you want to do - whatever works for you and don't listen to the complainers. Why fix something that isn't broken?

Play how you want, who cares about the QQ from other players? People always find excuses, its simple.

NBs spam cloak, spam surprise attack
Sorcs spam bolt
Temps spam BoL
Dks spam Whip

Everybody spams something because DoTs are useless in this game because way too easy purgable. Ofcourse sb ends up spamming the skill that does the most damage.

@Rylana the only reason it does so much damage is because the build is full weap dmg/stam. I do have like 750 stam rec(https://i.gyazo.com/c7d923fb42d1c2b43232c3db8d09f8cb.png) There is sorcs that run full spelldmg/magicka with P det+curse+frag and the enemy is 100% RIP. Nobody complains about that.


Then Ppl call for Steel tornado nerf bc zergs run taht stuff 24/7 now, guess what, once that is nerfed they go over to bombard and realizse it is stronger than STornado. and so on...and so on...

While you are clearly seeing the overall meta issue (gravitation towards optimal) youre still missing my point I think. That in the beginning of a development/testing cycle theres always "that guy" that finds the really broken thing (like camo hunter as the latest example) and tries to justify its use.

its obviously broken, since its proccing from multiple damage sources only requiring one ability/action to cause, multiple times. Some of us know the secrets, too, and while we try to get the actually BROKEN stuff fixed, guys like you applaud its use? cmon man, we might as well have damage immunity on breaches using caltrops again.

Explain further on the bolded topic.

Lexxypwns

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Ernest145 wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

So i take it the DKs who cant magicka or stam just use this build now?

But doesn't asgari do the same but just with dual wield? Not saying he is a bad player I know he is good but it is just dumb how this is even possible in pvp. If zos was smart they would just get rid of camo hunter morph and change it to something else, attacking from stealth already provides more damage, a stun, and the ability to start the engagement when and how they want. Damage is already high enough, there is no reason at all for camo hunter.

Im pretty sure Asgari isnt running a 1 shot build. It just so happens that DW heavy attacks can 1 shot vamps with camo hunter. What is in this video and what Asgari uses are two completely different builds and the only similar thing would be they are both stamina.

This build in this video is utterly useless when you arent in stealth for a 1 shot.

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So much this...

also, as far as your "bully circle" question, I'd have just rekt you scrubs...

Rylana

Manoekin wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Scrippie10 wrote: »

Also feel free to give me suggestions as to something else/ other combos to run. I don't mind testing things out.

Plus this isn't my main build. I only run this in small group play.

This is becoming a problem. People are too scared to run particular builds because they don't want to be called out. I stopped using wrecking blow so often because of all the hate whispers. I enjoy the taste of salty tears but it's drying my mouth out now.

It's no longer play how you want, it's play how other people want. Do whatever you want to do - whatever works for you and don't listen to the complainers. Why fix something that isn't broken?

Play how you want, who cares about the QQ from other players? People always find excuses, its simple.

NBs spam cloak, spam surprise attack
Sorcs spam bolt
Temps spam BoL
Dks spam Whip

Everybody spams something because DoTs are useless in this game because way too easy purgable. Ofcourse sb ends up spamming the skill that does the most damage.

@Rylana the only reason it does so much damage is because the build is full weap dmg/stam. I do have like 750 stam rec(https://i.gyazo.com/c7d923fb42d1c2b43232c3db8d09f8cb.png) There is sorcs that run full spelldmg/magicka with P det+curse+frag and the enemy is 100% RIP. Nobody complains about that.


Then Ppl call for Steel tornado nerf bc zergs run taht stuff 24/7 now, guess what, once that is nerfed they go over to bombard and realizse it is stronger than STornado. and so on...and so on...

While you are clearly seeing the overall meta issue (gravitation towards optimal) youre still missing my point I think. That in the beginning of a development/testing cycle theres always "that guy" that finds the really broken thing (like camo hunter as the latest example) and tries to justify its use.

its obviously broken, since its proccing from multiple damage sources only requiring one ability/action to cause, multiple times. Some of us know the secrets, too, and while we try to get the actually BROKEN stuff fixed, guys like you applaud its use? cmon man, we might as well have damage immunity on breaches using caltrops again.

Explain further on the bolded topic.

As opposed to standard min/max inherent of the individual testing and building on their own, groupthink and outside source strategy leads to metagaming for advantage in most MMOs, it is quite acute here as the perceived meta shifts much more rapidly (3-6 month turnover) as opposed to more established, long term games.

In other words, using any outside source (guides, word of mouth, raid lead telling you what to do, even using this forum for advice) is by hard definition, metagaming.

Ballgrouping is a perfect example. Looking at this game at stock level, indeed from the start, i strongly doubt, indeed i completely would never believe, anyone envisioned stacking on the crown tightly the way you see it today. It was a construct of organization outside of what the game's purported design had shown.

Most especially, voice communication counts as an external factor (at least in the PC version), as would any website, fansite, youtube, teamspeak, or any method of communicating or discussing in game strategy or mechanics outside of the game itself.

I never claimed metagaming to be a problem issue (though some aspects have their own issues to address), I was contrasting the difference in emergent gameplay vs exploitation of the broken/unintended. (ballgroups, steel tornado, etc are examples of metagaming and emergent gameplay, not exploits). Using a broken skill because it does something extra that is obviously unintentional (double proc camo hunter, caltrops on breach equating to zero taken damage, Twin sister set w/caltrops, the old UI bug that hid your character alliance shield and health bar on purpose no matter the other sides settings, etc) is moving into exploit territory. I dont know how clearer I can make it.



Defined: (source - wikipedia)

Metagaming is any strategy, action or method used in a game which transcends a prescribed ruleset, uses external factors to affect the game, or goes beyond the supposed limits or environment set by the game. Another definition refers to the game universe outside of the game itself. Metagaming differs from strategy in that metagaming is making decisions based upon out-of-game knowledge, whereas strategies are decisions made based upon in-game actions and knowledge.

In simple terms, it is the use of out-of-game information or resources to affect one's in-game decisions.