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I don't understand why I , as a crafter, hafta put up with running the same old boring pledges just to have to pick up some laurels so I can help other players who might want mercenary gear...seems like a simple attempt to foster interest in a dead end...
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✭✭I don't understand why I , as a crafter, hafta put up with running the same old boring pledges just to have to pick up some laurels so I can help other players who might want mercenary gear...seems like a simple attempt to foster interest in a dead end...
they wanna encourage you to use your crafters as more than just some skill dump so you aren't master of combat on one and master of cradts on anotherPLEASE REPLY TO ME WITH @dsalter otherwise i'm likely to miss the reply if its not my own thread
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I don't understand why I , as a crafter, hafta put up with running the same old boring pledges just to have to pick up some laurels so I can help other players who might want mercenary gear...seems like a simple attempt to foster interest in a dead end...
they wanna encourage you to use your crafters as more than just some skill dump so you aren't master of combat on one and master of cradts on another
Very true....exampled in the DLC as well requiring players to have all skill points in line to receive vet 15/16 materials....1 -
riverdragon72✭✭✭✭✭Whitebrad25 wrote: »I don't understand why I , as a crafter, hafta put up with running the same old boring pledges just to have to pick up some laurels so I can help other players who might want mercenary gear...seems like a simple attempt to foster interest in a dead end...
they wanna encourage you to use your crafters as more than just some skill dump so you aren't master of combat on one and master of cradts on another
Very true....exampled in the DLC as well requiring players to have all skill points in line to receive vet 15/16 materials....
Yeah.... play how you want...right?Meh...**** it..7 -
It's still a fun game, but, yes...there is some gentle guiding in several aspects of this game. All in all, I am very happy with the game being my first MMO anyway.1
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✭✭✭✭✭Whitebrad25 wrote: »It's still a fun game, but, yes...there is some gentle guiding in several aspects of this game. All in all, I am very happy with the game being my first MMO anyway.
Not to be a jerk but... it might be because you don't know any better.
The game isn't terrible, but there are a lot of choices made which every veteran MMO player is left scratching their head wondering what's going on at ZOS. Taking a game which was all about freedom of choice and play the way you want then adding everything is BoP to make people play new content is one of the biggest ones.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
"Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves."5 -
I am familiar with BoP and I do dislike this as well...but it is an MMO...it isn't a game that should allow for everything to be so readily obtainable, no matter how much I prefer it...I don't like how much grinding this game forces (which contradicts my above statement as well). It is true, I am not a 'gamer' and I haven't delved into other MMO's and that I do dislike BoP for how many items have it these days.
All to say that, with this game, I am well aware of what I am speaking of. I read these forums often (reason I joined), watch the videos and keep up with the future content and info they make. This is going too off-topic for this thread though.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭You can send laurels to people via deconnable gear. Craft a Mercenary iron dagger, send it to them, have them decon it. It's not a perfect transfer, but it's a way around the bind.
I've deconned lots of Merc gear (stuff I crafted for testing purposes) and have also sent people laurels since I have so many from farming vWGT. Between all these decons, we've collectively recovered 18 laurels out of 25 gear pieces.
Of course, as with all things RNG, YMMV.Edited by code65536 on December 7, 2015 8:43AMNightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
Dungeons and Trials:Personal best scores:- Dragonstar Arena: 46817 (NA)
- Maelstrom Arena: 600526 (NA)
- Blackrose Prison: 99274 (EU) (Unchained)
- Maw of Lorkhaj: 165227 (EU)
- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
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nordsavage✭✭✭✭✭Mercenary motifs come as a reward for running undaunted dungeon pledges so gaining the laurel from a dungeon run makes sense. The same as the pvp earned motifs and materials require pvp play to obtain. Really laurel is not hard by any means to gain especially if you had the wherewithal to save excess keys instead of burning them in between updates to gain the chapters to buff the drop rates. Once you get the ball rolling you will have too much laurel. I am sitting pretty with a stockpile having four alts with all chapters and I do not even run pledges often as of late.Edited by nordsavage on December 7, 2015 9:15AMI didn't choose tank life, tank life chose me.2 -
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✭✭✭✭So....
Has anyone gotten a laurel out of a non-vet dungeon?
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Aquanova✭✭✭✭✭At the very least, they could add laurels to the Crown Store so we can buy them, like they did with glass shards.NA/PC0
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✭✭✭✭✭newtinmpls wrote: »So....
Has anyone gotten a laurel out of a non-vet dungeon?
Yes, every few days, I do get a Laurel out of the nonvet pledge.Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
Dungeons and Trials:Personal best scores:- Dragonstar Arena: 46817 (NA)
- Maelstrom Arena: 600526 (NA)
- Blackrose Prison: 99274 (EU) (Unchained)
- Maw of Lorkhaj: 165227 (EU)
- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
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Johngo0036✭✭✭✭✭I have to admit,
I have all the mercenary motifs read and studied but will never make one piece...
I bought the motifs as I HATE the daily pledges so i would have the achievement...
Its a Real pity as i like some of the gear..
Hope zenni will put up a kiosk in stormhaven where i can buy them,
like they will be doing with monster helms and gear.....
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✭✭✭✭✭Mettaricana wrote: »Umm at complete motif is 100% drop rate if you actually run the dungeon
Only for vet mode. Nonvet mode drop rate is 1/4 that of vet mode.Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
Dungeons and Trials:Personal best scores:- Dragonstar Arena: 46817 (NA)
- Maelstrom Arena: 600526 (NA)
- Blackrose Prison: 99274 (EU) (Unchained)
- Maw of Lorkhaj: 165227 (EU)
- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
Extended Journal Add-Ons: Item Set Browser ― Loot Log ― Character Knowledge ― Collectibles Tracker ― RaidificatorPC/Console Add-Ons: Combat Alerts ― Group Buff PanelsOther Add-Ons: Deconstruction Junk Marker ― Purge Tracker ― Asylum Status Panel ― Smart Looter ― Improved Companion Rapport Information0 -
Palidon✭✭✭✭✭
✭I don't understand why I , as a crafter, hafta put up with running the same old boring pledges just to have to pick up some laurels so I can help other players who might want mercenary gear...seems like a simple attempt to foster interest in a dead end...
They want you to repeat the same content over and over again and hope you get a laurel or two for your efforts. ZOS is all about repeatable content.
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✭✭✭✭✭Mettaricana wrote: »Umm at complete motif is 100% drop rate if you actually run the dungeon
I will have to keep notes, but I'm not sure my crafter (who knows the full motif) get a laurel every time she runs a vet dungeon.
I think one of the things that need to be considered is this: ZOS said they made laurels bound because they wanted to offer them int he crown store eventually. That essentially encourages the trade of real money for in-game gold, as a crafter who does not run dungeons would buy the laurels from the crown store and then take gold for crafting the gear.
They may want to rethink that.
As for the PvP gear comparison, the Ancient Scales (which can be bought with AP) are not bound. Only the Golden Scale is (like the Malachite)The Moot Councillor0 -
ThisOnePosts✭✭✭✭✭They should sell them at vendors, like other style materials. Dungeons only is definitely silly. I mean I have enough, but the method to get them is meh. It wasn't thought out so well imo.1 -
NinjaApacHe✭✭✭✭newtinmpls wrote: »So....
Has anyone gotten a laurel out of a non-vet dungeon?
Yes, rarely but yes.CP 2120+Lord Yakhin- Magicka NB - High Elf - DC Jack Templar - Stamina Templar - Dark Elf - DC Darth Morbius - Stamina Sorcerer - Dark Elf - DC Bloody Merril - Stamina Vampire NB - Redguard - DC Master Kun - Stamina DK - Redguard - DC Exarch Kun - Magicka Vampire NB - High Elf - DC Ace Bollah - Stamina Warden - Dark Elf - DC Icy Jack - Stamina Warden - Nord - DC Prior Tedas - Stamina NB - High Elf - DC 10 traits Woodworker - lvl 50 Enchanter - lvl 50 Alchemist - 10 traits Clothier & Smither - 10 traits jewelcrafterProud member of the Band of Daggers - www.bandofdaggers.eu0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Johngo0036 wrote: »I have to admit,
I have all the mercenary motifs read and studied but will never make one piece...
I bought the motifs as I HATE the daily pledges so i would have the achievement...
Its a Real pity as i like some of the gear..
Hope zenni will put up a kiosk in stormhaven where i can buy them,
like they will be doing with monster helms and gear.....
Well, technically you can buy crafted mercenary items and deconstruct them... Not the best way, but I saw some people buying them in /z.Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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rez0055✭✭✭It's a bit silly that deconstructing mercenary or glass armor wont give you a malachite or laurel for 100 %. I mean, I had one malachite and used it to craft a helmet for my char, but just to experiment with it and test it. Then I deconstruct it and I noticed I didn't receive the malachite, I was really bummed by it. But I noticed as well that deconstructing xivkyn gear gives you your charcoal of remorse back for 100 %. I tested it with 5 pieces of armor. So hopefully they change that for glass armor, merc, or any other armor in the future.Characters
- Only-Drinks-With-Templars: Lvl 50 Argonian Magica Templar
- Bialozar: Lvl 50 Khajitt Stamina Nightblade
- Rez the Bald Sorceror: Lvl 50 Dark Elf Magica Sorceror
- Gerard Snow: Lvl 50 Dark Elf Magica Dragonknight
- Dorothea Black: Lvl 50 Imperial Stamina Templar
- Demon Cleaver: Lvl 50 Orc Stamina Warden
- Lord of BØnes: Lvl 50 Breton Magica Necromancer
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✭✭The merc motiff is so cheap you can learn it on your non-crafter that you run pledges with. The Laurels are bound to account but you can still bank them for use on your crafter.PC/EU DC0 -
AlnilamE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The merc motiff is so cheap you can learn it on your non-crafter that you run pledges with. The Laurels are bound to account but you can still bank them for use on your crafter.
Yes, but not everybody is into doing pledges religiously. Some people just like doing other stuff, like crafting writs and harvesting and crafting gear. The dungeons are not for everyone.The Moot Councillor1 -
purple-magicb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I don't understand why I , as a crafter, hafta put up with running the same old boring pledges just to have to pick up some laurels so I can help other players who might want mercenary gear...seems like a simple attempt to foster interest in a dead end...
they wanna encourage you to use your crafters as more than just some skill dump so you aren't master of combat on one and master of cradts on another
this^ yeah, I noticed they stopped saying "play as you want" or was it "play your way"? anyway, you get the idea.Edited by purple-magicb16_ESO on December 14, 2015 2:12PMI don't comment here often but when I do, I get [snip]0 -
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✭✭The merc motiff is so cheap you can learn it on your non-crafter that you run pledges with. The Laurels are bound to account but you can still bank them for use on your crafter.
Yes, but not everybody is into doing pledges religiously. Some people just like doing other stuff, like crafting writs and harvesting and crafting gear. The dungeons are not for everyone.
I'm just not the type that thinks that everything should be available to everyone no matter what they want to do. To me it is always an issue of where to draw the line of "play how you want" People want laurels, but don't want to do dungeons. People want PvP skills but don't want to PvP. People want Undaunted passives, but don't want to do dungeons. People want Maelstrom weapons, but don't want to do VMA. How many alternative ways of giving things to people do we do before we just give everything away all the time. Is nothing worth working for anymore?PC/EU DC2 -
AlnilamE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The merc motiff is so cheap you can learn it on your non-crafter that you run pledges with. The Laurels are bound to account but you can still bank them for use on your crafter.
Yes, but not everybody is into doing pledges religiously. Some people just like doing other stuff, like crafting writs and harvesting and crafting gear. The dungeons are not for everyone.
I'm just not the type that thinks that everything should be available to everyone no matter what they want to do. To me it is always an issue of where to draw the line of "play how you want" People want laurels, but don't want to do dungeons. People want PvP skills but don't want to PvP. People want Undaunted passives, but don't want to do dungeons. People want Maelstrom weapons, but don't want to do VMA. How many alternative ways of giving things to people do we do before we just give everything away all the time. Is nothing worth working for anymore?
And I actually agree with you in most instances. But having a trait stone be bound when the motif pages are not is a bit silly. In many cases, someone who is a "professional" crafter is crafting this stuff for other people, and if they want merc armor, they should be able to farm the laurels and hand them to the crafter.The Moot Councillor1 -
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✭✭The merc motiff is so cheap you can learn it on your non-crafter that you run pledges with. The Laurels are bound to account but you can still bank them for use on your crafter.
Yes, but not everybody is into doing pledges religiously. Some people just like doing other stuff, like crafting writs and harvesting and crafting gear. The dungeons are not for everyone.
I'm just not the type that thinks that everything should be available to everyone no matter what they want to do. To me it is always an issue of where to draw the line of "play how you want" People want laurels, but don't want to do dungeons. People want PvP skills but don't want to PvP. People want Undaunted passives, but don't want to do dungeons. People want Maelstrom weapons, but don't want to do VMA. How many alternative ways of giving things to people do we do before we just give everything away all the time. Is nothing worth working for anymore?
And I actually agree with you in most instances. But having a trait stone be bound when the motif pages are not is a bit silly. In many cases, someone who is a "professional" crafter is crafting this stuff for other people, and if they want merc armor, they should be able to farm the laurels and hand them to the crafter.
True. I don't know how many professional crafters there are though. I craft all my own stuff. I'd honestly be fine with it being sellable, and I don't really like using a slippery slope argument. I'm just kind of tired of people complaining that everything they want to do should award them with everything they want. The recent threads for PvP skills to be attainable in other ways have maybe rubbed me the wrong way.PC/EU DC1 -
wrathofrraath✭✭✭Shucks i have about 50 laurels id give them to you if i could : /Vokul Lovaas - V16 Magicka Dragonknight
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✭✭The merc motiff is so cheap you can learn it on your non-crafter that you run pledges with. The Laurels are bound to account but you can still bank them for use on your crafter.
Yes, but not everybody is into doing pledges religiously. Some people just like doing other stuff, like crafting writs and harvesting and crafting gear. The dungeons are not for everyone.
True, dungeons are not for everyone. But for those who are intimidated by dungeons, the Laurels and motifs are a good incentive to stretch their game experience and try new things. As in real life, new experience leads personal growth. I mostly avoided dungeons, even as a v16. I wanted to do them for Undaunted skill passives, but Laurels gave me extra incentive. Now I do pledges almost daily, and have a good stash of Laurels. As a result of this dungeon experience, I'm now getting into PVP. I have a long way to go for Caltrops and Vigor, but I'm enjoying the PVP, even though I die OFTEN.
Bottom-line: embrace the new. I'm glad they did Laurels the way they did.PC/NA/DCBreton Sorcerer Maester.White - BB meets GoT >Master Crafter< { 9 Traits completed 4/23/15 }
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