Is this game now BETTER than Heavensward?

Roco32373

Now that the two new DLC/expansions have come out, and many of the bugs/complaints dealt with, is this game now better than FFXIV with its latest release Heavensward?

I found Heavensward to be very good and cool...although FFXIV still has its Japanese/feminine factor, which is hard for me to swallow. The aesthetics, I realize, are just a matter of personal opinion.

JD2013

They are two very different MMO's.

Whereas I enjoyed FF XIV for a short burst, the cartoony elements just got too much for me. Though I do love a Chocobo.

The reason I will always stick here is because it is Elder Scrolls. There is no game lore that is more fascinating to me.

Ra'Shtar

Roco32373 wrote: »

just a matter of personal opinion.

Right there is the anwser, as always we have salty people fanboys and meh people

Arkadius

meh

dday3six

It depends. The best thing FFXIV has going for it is that it, is it knows what it is, (a standard MMORPG) and plays well to it.

ESO on the other hand has an identity crisis.

PKLdude

Well since I have played both I'll chime in, it is just a matter of taste. But in my opinion FFXIV has a way more polished game and listens to its customer base way more than ZOS ever has, *** for a year the director gave letters to its loyal fan base detaling what was coming, changes that was going to be made and listened to the feedback of the people. How awesome is that to have a company that ultimatley is out for the dollars, but did it right. I mean with that game they have AWESOME customer communication and that spoke volumes. How many games can rise from the ashes like FFXIV has done? Complete rehaul and because they were open and honest people were willing to join in and come back. ZOS will never do that, they are a company that only sees the consumer as something to be consumed. Their UI, [snip] unbewievable, so many options, that each player can tune to how they like it, and no one can say "IT IS BREAKING MUH IMMERZIONZZZZ." Why do you ask? Because it is an OPTION which people have the OPTION to turn on or off. I mean come on giving the customers who purchase the game the ability to choose how they want to play UNCANNY *rolls eyes*. For the style, I am able to say so long as the art is good I like it, so if it is cartoony but well done I am please, if it is realisitic and well dont I am happy. So for me FFXIV was a slam dunk. In fact as silly as this sounds when ESO was coming out my Elezen was greyish blue in colour and I was trying to play off that my Dunmer character was someone shipwrecked from Eorzea and was going to play that way, LOL I know silly. I played a Scholar and loved them to pieces. But the game to me was too cut up small zoned, fate training to max level, shout in town hub based, token grind pile of crap that even behind all the polish I still was unhappy.

ESO has a beautiful world, well crafted, it feels like a world that I am exploring, honestly I have the feeling of hugeness at times that I had when I played FFXI with no chocobo. Well maybe not that huge, the run to Jeuno was pretty angry and goblins chase you pretty damn far. Just because you are level 15 and mobs in that game are level 12 don't get it twisted they'll still beat your ass. But for as much *** as I love about this game their is an equal amount of hate and I'll give the hate a bit more weight. Between they disparity between PC and Console, which FFXIV/Square kept in check, I already feel like a second class consumer. Also the lack of UI option is a joke and only points to sheer laziness. Top it off they have the most single player MMO I have ever experiencesd, *** half the time I think I am playing a single player rpg. I mean no text chat, come on, not even an option, seriously, all them morons saying "MUH IMMURZIONS BE RUINED," are *** stupid. Had ZOS gone the route of making it an option then no one would be saying *** right now but ZOS is too damn stupid and would rather say "WE WANT TO BE THE UNIQUE BUTTERFLY (and *** everything up) SO THAT WE CAN BE UNIQUE AND SPECIAL (in the head)." instead of listening to the consumers.

So honestly in my opinion if you want and MMO that feels like and MMO, where there is polish and no playerbase be it console or PC feels second, top it off with *** INCREADIBLE COMPANY COMMUNICATION then go with SquareEnix. However, if you want an MMO that feels like a single player game, with very little polish and a company that makes both crouds feel second playce (PC cries saying they are the BETA testers, Consoles cry saying they get the shaft), and a company with *** ass *** horrible damn terribad communication to its' customers then go with ZOS.

PKLdude

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MrDerrikk

@PKLdude

I think you should have created a new topic for that one, instead of taking this simple opinion topic downhill. But hey, that's just my opinion

Xsorus

Well...it depends on how much ya like a 2.5 GCD on virtually every skill in the game...I personally don't care for it..hence why i don't play FF

dday3six

Xsorus wrote: »

Well...it depends on how much ya like a 2.5 GCD on virtually every skill in the game...I personally don't care for it..hence why i don't play FF

2.5 GCD is the baseline. It's lowered by stats and abilities, some jobs can get it close to 1s in fact. There are also several off-GCD skills that are on independant CD's.

gilbegger

PKLdude wrote: »

Well since I have played both I'll chime in, it is just a matter of taste. But in my opinion FFXIV has a way more polished game and listens to its customer base way more than ZOS ever has, *** for a year the director gave letters to its loyal fan base detaling what was coming, changes that was going to be made and listened to the feedback of the people. How awesome is that to have a company that ultimatley is out for the dollars, but did it right. I mean with that game they have AWESOME customer communication and that spoke volumes. How many games can rise from the ashes like FFXIV has done? Complete rehaul and because they were open and honest people were willing to join in and come back. ZOS will never do that, they are a company that only sees the consumer as something to be consumed. Their UI, [snip] unbewievable, so many options, that each player can tune to how they like it, and no one can say "IT IS BREAKING MUH IMMERZIONZZZZ." Why do you ask? Because it is an OPTION which people have the OPTION to turn on or off. I mean come on giving the customers who purchase the game the ability to choose how they want to play UNCANNY *rolls eyes*. For the style, I am able to say so long as the art is good I like it, so if it is cartoony but well done I am please, if it is realisitic and well dont I am happy. So for me FFXIV was a slam dunk. In fact as silly as this sounds when ESO was coming out my Elezen was greyish blue in colour and I was trying to play off that my Dunmer character was someone shipwrecked from Eorzea and was going to play that way, LOL I know silly. I played a Scholar and loved them to pieces. But the game to me was too cut up small zoned, fate training to max level, shout in town hub based, token grind pile of crap that even behind all the polish I still was unhappy.

ESO has a beautiful world, well crafted, it feels like a world that I am exploring, honestly I have the feeling of hugeness at times that I had when I played FFXI with no chocobo. Well maybe not that huge, the run to Jeuno was pretty angry and goblins chase you pretty damn far. Just because you are level 15 and mobs in that game are level 12 don't get it twisted they'll still beat your ass. But for as much *** as I love about this game their is an equal amount of hate and I'll give the hate a bit more weight. Between they disparity between PC and Console, which FFXIV/Square kept in check, I already feel like a second class consumer. Also the lack of UI option is a joke and only points to sheer laziness. Top it off they have the most single player MMO I have ever experiencesd, *** half the time I think I am playing a single player rpg. I mean no text chat, come on, not even an option, seriously, all them morons saying "MUH IMMURZIONS BE RUINED," are *** stupid. Had ZOS gone the route of making it an option then no one would be saying *** right now but ZOS is too damn stupid and would rather say "WE WANT TO BE THE UNIQUE BUTTERFLY (and *** everything up) SO THAT WE CAN BE UNIQUE AND SPECIAL (in the head)." instead of listening to the consumers.

So honestly in my opinion if you want and MMO that feels like and MMO, where there is polish and no playerbase be it console or PC feels second, top it off with *** INCREADIBLE COMPANY COMMUNICATION then go with SquareEnix. However, if you want an MMO that feels like a single player game, with very little polish and a company that makes both crouds feel second playce (PC cries saying they are the BETA testers, Consoles cry saying they get the shaft), and a company with *** ass *** horrible damn terribad communication to its' customers then go with ZOS.

PKLdude

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Ill take that as a no....and just skip reading it.

ItsGlaive

Not played Heavensward, but I did play the base game (A Realm Reborn) to level cap.

While FFXIV is beautiful and buttery smooth, the combat is old fashioned tab targeting, and many of the zones are so walled in, and the quests so linear that the whole thing feels like it's on rails.

That said, they've got great crafting and I loved riding the fate train

As for ESO, while still a themepark, it's got more of a sandboxy, explorative feel to it. I'm not a fan of 'zones' (the lobby game feeling I got with IC was the worst zoning I've experienced in a while), I prefer a wide open world like AA or BDO, but the zones in general here are pretty huge. The combat here is also better imo, although it feels a little clunky at times. It's also equally a gorgeous game.

As for voice acting, FFXIV wins there I think, in ESO the voice acting is all too wooden, which isn't helped at all by the wooden character animations. Which reminds me... when are we going to see the rest of the improvements to character animations? Over a year ago that was demo'd at Quakecon!

Xsorus

dday3six wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Well...it depends on how much ya like a 2.5 GCD on virtually every skill in the game...I personally don't care for it..hence why i don't play FF

2.5 GCD is the baseline. It's lowered by stats and abilities, some jobs can get it close to 1s in fact. There are also several off-GCD skills that are on independant CD's.

Having played a level 50 paladin in that game, I can tell you the amount of abilities not on the gcd was small, and there was no way to really lower the GCD back then..the game felt incredibly slow and painful to play.

Shadesofkin

No arguing tastes.

That is the best answer you can give/get to/from anyone.

pronkg

I played FF once, closed it down in a couple of hours and uninstalled it. Not gonna explain why

Matter of taste yeh

pronkg

Not saying FF is a bad game btw It just didn't feel right for me and I used to be a big ff fan

dday3six

Xsorus wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Well...it depends on how much ya like a 2.5 GCD on virtually every skill in the game...I personally don't care for it..hence why i don't play FF

2.5 GCD is the baseline. It's lowered by stats and abilities, some jobs can get it close to 1s in fact. There are also several off-GCD skills that are on independant CD's.

Having played a level 50 paladin in that game, I can tell you the amount of abilities not on the gcd was small, and there was no way to really lower the GCD back then..the game felt incredibly slow and painful to play.

Skill/Spell Speed and a Monk's Greased Lightning.

kkampaseb17_ESO

For me any MMO coming out or even competing with ESO atm should have action based combat. GW2 and ESO really ruined it for me with tab targeting. I cannot stomach it anymore. I think I played Archeage a total of 5 hours due to that....

So yea it is a matter of taste...but it is towards action based combat. You can identify if a person playing for long this game by the way he reacts. You can actually develop player skills instead of just a statwall. And no, skill rotation while avoiding red circles doesn't cut it as player skill.

MercyKilling

This game, even in its current pathetic state is better than any Final Fantasy MMO.

At least in my opinion.

anaelwolf

Well, I play both games and really like them, but I spend much more time in FFXIV than ESO.
In Final fantasy you can have all classes, jobs, craft and gathering professions on one character. Of course, it will take a lot of time to get all max lvl, but it's interesting system. Besides that I find very fascinating main storyline and mini-stories for classes. And FFXIV has cyrillic chat support (I'm russian so it is really important for me ^_^). This game isn't non-target and more PvE than PvP (only 3 or 4 battlegrounds and up to hour waiting for group). I think ESO has more PvP content than FFXIV... XD There are many things you can do except default set of pvp/pve/craft such as housing, Gold Saucer mini-games (like Triple Triad or Chocobo racing), completing Challenge log duties, etc.

On the other side, there is great lore base in ESO. All these books, legends and historical facts... They make world more bright and lively I suppose. Also I like ESO skill system when you can become tank, healer or dd regardless of class. I can't fail to mention that locations here are really beautiful. Yesterday I have logged in and just walked around in Orsinium and Auridon without doing any quests or hunting monsters. One more thing I like is craft. Crafted weapons and armor are comparable with drop items (feature you can't see often in mmo). Finally what I like most in ESO is its battle system: you attack, block and dodge by yourself, you should choose skills and weapon for each battle.

Summing up I can say that both games are worth playing. ESO just need more time for development and evolution. I hope one or two years later ESO will become a great game

Dual.sphereeb17_ESO

PKLdude wrote: »

Well since I have played both I'll chime in, it is just a matter of taste. But in my opinion FFXIV has a way more polished game and listens to its customer base way more than ZOS ever has, *** for a year the director gave letters to its loyal fan base detaling what was coming, changes that was going to be made and listened to the feedback of the people. How awesome is that to have a company that ultimatley is out for the dollars, but did it right. I mean with that game they have AWESOME customer communication and that spoke volumes. How many games can rise from the ashes like FFXIV has done? Complete rehaul and because they were open and honest people were willing to join in and come back. ZOS will never do that, they are a company that only sees the consumer as something to be consumed. Their UI, [snip] unbewievable, so many options, that each player can tune to how they like it, and no one can say "IT IS BREAKING MUH IMMERZIONZZZZ." Why do you ask? Because it is an OPTION which people have the OPTION to turn on or off. I mean come on giving the customers who purchase the game the ability to choose how they want to play UNCANNY *rolls eyes*. For the style, I am able to say so long as the art is good I like it, so if it is cartoony but well done I am please, if it is realisitic and well dont I am happy. So for me FFXIV was a slam dunk. In fact as silly as this sounds when ESO was coming out my Elezen was greyish blue in colour and I was trying to play off that my Dunmer character was someone shipwrecked from Eorzea and was going to play that way, LOL I know silly. I played a Scholar and loved them to pieces. But the game to me was too cut up small zoned, fate training to max level, shout in town hub based, token grind pile of crap that even behind all the polish I still was unhappy.

ESO has a beautiful world, well crafted, it feels like a world that I am exploring, honestly I have the feeling of hugeness at times that I had when I played FFXI with no chocobo. Well maybe not that huge, the run to Jeuno was pretty angry and goblins chase you pretty damn far. Just because you are level 15 and mobs in that game are level 12 don't get it twisted they'll still beat your ass. But for as much *** as I love about this game their is an equal amount of hate and I'll give the hate a bit more weight. Between they disparity between PC and Console, which FFXIV/Square kept in check, I already feel like a second class consumer. Also the lack of UI option is a joke and only points to sheer laziness. Top it off they have the most single player MMO I have ever experiencesd, *** half the time I think I am playing a single player rpg. I mean no text chat, come on, not even an option, seriously, all them morons saying "MUH IMMURZIONS BE RUINED," are *** stupid. Had ZOS gone the route of making it an option then no one would be saying *** right now but ZOS is too damn stupid and would rather say "WE WANT TO BE THE UNIQUE BUTTERFLY (and *** everything up) SO THAT WE CAN BE UNIQUE AND SPECIAL (in the head)." instead of listening to the consumers.

So honestly in my opinion if you want and MMO that feels like and MMO, where there is polish and no playerbase be it console or PC feels second, top it off with *** INCREADIBLE COMPANY COMMUNICATION then go with SquareEnix. However, if you want an MMO that feels like a single player game, with very little polish and a company that makes both crouds feel second playce (PC cries saying they are the BETA testers, Consoles cry saying they get the shaft), and a company with *** ass *** horrible damn terribad communication to its' customers then go with ZOS.

PKLdude

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I see lot's of complaints about communication, but I should point out that FFXIV has a reason for it's name. A REALM REBORN (yes, followed by Heavensward). The first game was so bad it got entirely redone. Thus why the "director" of the game spoke so much with the playerbase. Yes, they screwed up, fixed it and the game is actually great now. But never forget, that communication wouldn't be there if wasn't for this. ( Hell, Summoner's are still using pocket summons instead of proper ones, despite the community complaining about it for ages now).

Yes, the console part with the chat was a miss, but the rest of the game is solid as hell.

In all honesty, I love FF and it's theme, I really enjoyed FFXIV and Heavens, it's a GREAT game. Wasn't for the sub, I would probably still be playing. But it does, and I don't think it's worth the price .

Eso gives me a LOT to do, almost as much as WoW does, at no sub price.


Bottom line, for the op, and in my honest opinion , they're both in the same league now and it boils down to a matter of preference on the art style and the willingness to pay a sub.

Malmai

Wait for Black Desert.

Volkodav

PKLdude wrote: »

Well since I have played both I'll chime in, it is just a matter of taste. But in my opinion FFXIV has a way more polished game and listens to its customer base way more than ZOS ever has, *** for a year the director gave letters to its loyal fan base detaling what was coming, changes that was going to be made and listened to the feedback of the people. How awesome is that to have a company that ultimatley is out for the dollars, but did it right. I mean with that game they have AWESOME customer communication and that spoke volumes.
"ZOS will never do that, they are a company that only sees the consumer as something to be consumed."

And the saddest part is that they are using Bethesda's signature game series to do it.

dday3six

Malmai wrote: »

Wait for Black Desert.

Yeah Black Desert and Dragon's Dogma Online (if released in the West) might be some serious competition for ESO.

zornyan

I played ff heavens ward and I'm a huge huge ff fan, but I really couldn't get on with it, it felt I dunno. Really really over the top japaneseish and the combat just felt really boring and slow. But that's just my opinion

TheShadowScout

Better? That's a lot like "beautiful" isn't it - all depending on the point of view.

In any case, I am here for the TES lore, not chasing the "best game".
If one enjoys the lore, ESO might be best.
For those who don't care about the lore, other games may be better.

For me, its better then any others I have seen so far.
Most could not even tempt me to try them.

Check out those that might tempt -you-.
Perhaps try some that look like they might be good for -you-.
Find the one best for -you-.

deucalionsb

I think they both have their own ups and downs. That being said YoshidaP is one helluva director, one who is very active in the community, both in JP NA and EU.

LadyNalcarya

dday3six wrote: »

Malmai wrote: »

Wait for Black Desert.

Yeah Black Desert and Dragon's Dogma Online (if released in the West) might be some serious competition for ESO.

Black Desert is already released in my country... Yeah, at first it might seem interesting, but actually its a boring grindfest (seriously, all eso grinds cannot compete with grindyness of that game) and p2w. Also this game is pretty low in Asian mmo charts already and it has very bad reputation in Russia because the developer apparently sold the license to some scammers and havent done anything to solve that situation.

dday3six

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Malmai wrote: »

Wait for Black Desert.

Yeah Black Desert and Dragon's Dogma Online (if released in the West) might be some serious competition for ESO.

Black Desert is already released in my country... Yeah, at first it might seem interesting, but actually its a boring grindfest (seriously, all eso grinds cannot compete with grindyness of that game) and p2w. Also this game is pretty low in Asian mmo charts already and it has very bad reputation in Russia because the developer apparently sold the license to some scammers and havent done anything to solve that situation.

Ah, too bad. I heard it's console release was support to be a completely different type of game. C'est la vie...

j.d.elyb14a_ESO

Not here to make anyone mad but I am sure I will. I have been here since beta. Have the monkey to prove. The game was so buggy then you couldn't go alot of places in starter islands and not find a group trying to finish a quest. Now it has improved ten fold. I have played Rift and FFIV and WoW and Tera and a few other MMO'S. I am ADD/ADD and games lose my interest easily. ESO holds my attention the most. The art the play style questing PvP the community in game. If you dislike cartoonish mmo's then ESO is a good choice. Catapults and trebuchet and battering rams really don't fit in the others nor would ESO races. So I will stay with ESO.

Dual.sphereeb17_ESO

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Malmai wrote: »

Wait for Black Desert.

Yeah Black Desert and Dragon's Dogma Online (if released in the West) might be some serious competition for ESO.

Black Desert is already released in my country... Yeah, at first it might seem interesting, but actually its a boring grindfest (seriously, all eso grinds cannot compete with grindyness of that game) and p2w. Also this game is pretty low in Asian mmo charts already and it has very bad reputation in Russia because the developer apparently sold the license to some scammers and havent done anything to solve that situation.

welcome to the life of an Asian MMO.

Same happened with Tera, Same with Aion, same with Archeage.

They try, and they look really good, but the appeal for our market just isn't there.

Dual.sphereeb17_ESO

j.d.elyb14a_ESO wrote: »

Not here to make anyone mad but I am sure I will. I have been here since beta. Have the monkey to prove. The game was so buggy then you couldn't go alot of places in starter islands and not find a group trying to finish a quest. Now it has improved ten fold. I have played Rift and FFIV and WoW and Tera and a few other MMO'S. I am ADD/ADD and games lose my interest easily. ESO holds my attention the most. The art the play style questing PvP the community in game. If you dislike cartoonish mmo's then ESO is a good choice. Catapults and trebuchet and battering rams really don't fit in the others nor would ESO races. So I will stay with ESO.

Rift got me good for almost a year and half, apart from WoW and ESO, it was the only MMO to ever do it ( with paid sub to boot!).

Yes the game was buggy at start, for sure, but it also didn't deserve half the flak it got. Looking back however, even if it did hurt ZOS from a financial point of view ( and reputation ), it was a good thing, since they endured it and built an even better game out of it. The only other game that was ever able to do this was FFXIV .

Eso is an amazing game and I'm glad I got to experience it from the start !