Is the Racechange coming soon?

Murmeltier

Hi,

i looked into the newest Eso Live, in the Hope to catch some Infos about the Racechange. I dont found anything new about it, maybe i missed some new Infos. I waited a Long Time for this Feature, like many other Players and some Infos would be really nice.

So, is the Racechange coming soon, maybe this Year?

ladyonthemoon

Changing race in the middle of a play through would make a mess of your character, stats wise.

Arthur_Spoonfondle

Character choices should be meaningful, not a throwaway choice that can be changed at whim, whether or not for a fee.

Draxys

ladyonthemoon wrote: »

Changing race in the middle of a play through would make a mess of your character, stats wise.

Not really. You can respec everything your character has invested in for under 10k.

Muizer

Murmeltier wrote: »

Hi,

i looked into the newest Eso Live, in the Hope to catch some Infos about the Racechange. I dont found anything new about it, maybe i missed some new Infos. I waited a Long Time for this Feature, like many other Players and some Infos would be really nice.

So, is the Racechange coming soon, maybe this Year?

No new info. In fact, afaik the only thing ZoS have ever said about race change is that they were not saying it would never happen. That is, you may hope it will happen some day, but there are no plans (short or long term) to add this to the game.

AGrz5585

I'm pretty sure ZoS said this will be coming alongside the barbershop. I'm hoping to see both ingame around the thieves den DLC

dday3six

Arthur_Spoonfondle wrote: »

Character choices should be meaningful, not a throwaway choice that can be changed at whim, whether or not for a fee.

Yet this line of thinking hampers a developers ability to alter racial passives or even introduce new races. Expecting players to predict the future or re-roll if the reason the choose their race gets changed down the road is terribly off-putting.

TheShadowScout

Last info I have is still nothing definite.
But...
We know character recustomization feature is coming, possibly as soon as thieves guild.
And we know a lot of people are screaming for race change to get that last percentage point of super-effectiveness for their character.
And we know many of those people would also be willing to pay good crowns for that.
And we know ZOS likes to make money, like every other business.
Thus...
The logical conclusion is that race change may come with, or in wake of, the character recustomization feature.

So we likely will know more... "soon™"

Decado

Arthur_Spoonfondle wrote: »

Character choices should be meaningful, not a throwaway choice that can be changed at whim, whether or not for a fee.

so you'd rather they just left the Passives alone? Because if they didn't offer a race change I can't see them ever making any big changes too the Passives.

Also what about all those poor argonian Templars who right at the start of the game saw the resto experise and quick too mend Passives and thought they would make good healers? Should they be stuck with that race because a mistake they made on day 1? Or should I just delete him and make a new Templar losing all the progress They may have made to some of the longer skill lines (undaunted/alliance war/ legerdemain) not too mention the time too make it.

And Ofcourse there's the changing play style from magicka too stamina, either because you want a different play style or because your old build doesn't work anymore (magicka DK in pvp?)

I can see lots of reasons too change doesn't make it a whim. I understand people who fear "flavour of the month builds" but I see them anyway these players who want flavour of he month will grind it up, and it doesn't take them all that long to do either.

TiberX

No, they dint say anything about race change toghether or after barbershop. I hope race change never come, because then some races will dissapear and every one will be high elf, dunmer or some 10% other choices. On the other hand with the removal of VR it will be easier to make a char with the race of your likeing.

JamilaRaj

Why race change? Sounds to me lore breaking and out of place even in a world where magic is common.

mtwiggz

WTB Race Change!

I believe race changes will be included when they change the passives, as they stated somewhere before. Not sure if it'll be something offered to all races, only to those who had their racial passives changed, or whatever. Perhaps it'll be something everyone could enjoy.

Catblade

JamilaRaj wrote: »

Why race change? Sounds to me lore breaking and out of place even in a world where magic is common.

So are pumpkinhead players running around yet it made the game.

TheShadowScout

JamilaRaj wrote: »

Why race change? Sounds to me lore breaking and out of place even in a world where magic is common.

Play some more. Pay attention to some quests.
The Dunmer in Greenshade you bring alchemy ingredients so he can finish a potion that is supposed to turn him into a Khajiit, but turns him Argonian instead because he didn't get the mix right?
Bing - race change.
The quest to recover the emerald chalice in Rivenspire that turns everyone who drinks from it into a Goblin?
Bing - race change.
The alchemist in Sentinel who sells potions that can turn an Orc into a monkey or Redguards into rats and dogs?
Bing - race change. (okay, not the kind we are talking about here but... still... )
Point being, it -IS- in the lore.
One could even add Orsimer and Dunmer, who once were different yet got their race changed by daedric intervention...

So the lore is no hindrance.
The main question is, will the powers that be add it to the character recustomization options or not.
Since they like making profit, and there are people who'd pay good crowns for it... economical logic would indicate they will, sooner or later.

zornyan

TheShadowScout wrote: »

JamilaRaj wrote: »

Why race change? Sounds to me lore breaking and out of place even in a world where magic is common.

Play some more. Pay attention to some quests.
The Dunmer in Greenshade you bring alchemy ingredients so he can finish a potion that is supposed to turn him into a Khajiit, but turns him Argonian instead because he didn't get the mix right?
Bing - race change.
The quest to recover the emerald chalice in Rivenspire that turns everyone who drinks from it into a Goblin?
Bing - race change.
The alchemist in Sentinel who sells potions that can turn an Orc into a monkey or Redguards into rats and dogs?
Bing - race change. (okay, not the kind we are talking about here but... still... )
Point being, it -IS- in the lore.
One could even add Orsimer and Dunmer, who once were different yet got their race changed by daedric intervention...

So the lore is no hindrance.
The main question is, will the powers that be add it to the character recustomization options or not.
Since they like making profit, and there are people who'd pay good crowns for it... economical logic would indicate they will, sooner or later.

Poor dunmer, if only they knew what almalexia had in store for them come morrowind times....

Justice31st

I hope ZOS charges atleast 5,000 crowns per race change. Your character is the biggest element of playing a mmo. Nothing like people rerolling to the fotm.

AngryNord

Justice31st wrote: »

I hope ZOS charges atleast 5,000 crowns per race change. Your character is the biggest element of playing a mmo. Nothing like people rerolling to the fotm.

10,000 crowns, all achievements, quests, skillpoints and CP wiped, and you start at level 1 in the Coldharbour prison. Pretty much the only way to do it without messing things up.

eNumbra

ladyonthemoon wrote: »

Changing race in the middle of a play through would make a mess of your character, stats wise.

No it wouldn't

Arthur_Spoonfondle wrote: »

Character choices should be meaningful, not a throwaway choice that can be changed at whim, whether or not for a fee.

Then Zenimax should have offered a Race change when they originally implemented Stamina morphs, because I'm not going to reroll my main with all his achievements, nirnhoned researched and motifs known after zenimax pulled the rug out from under him 6 *** months after I made him.

JamilaRaj wrote: »

Why race change? Sounds to me lore breaking and out of place even in a world where magic is common.

No it's not.



All of your excuses for why race change shouldn't happen have been used before and all of them have been logically dissected every time this thread pop up.

bertenburnyb16_ESO

No pls, just buff the UP racials, or have a couple of options of passives per race to chose from or somethin

TheShadowScout

Justice31st wrote: »

I hope ZOS charges atleast 5,000 crowns per race change. Your character is the biggest element of playing a mmo. Nothing like people rerolling to the fotm.

Now... the price, that is something that can be arguend about. Personally I would hope they do not make it too cheap... 5000 crowns like one of the rare styles would seem in line with the rest of the crown store. (and I know well enough that if they did it at that price, a lot of FotM chasers would whine about it being too expensive...) Maybe less if they are feeling generous, but hopefully not too much less...
As has been mentioned, choices should have -meaning- and redoing those choices should have a decent -cost-

AngryNord wrote: »

10,000 crowns, all achievements, quests, skillpoints and CP wiped, and you start at level 1 in the Coldharbour prison. Pretty much the only way to do it without messing things up.

I hate to trell you this... but that is "making an alt" not "race change", and noone would pay that much crowns for making an alt
Yes, I get it, some people really hate the very idea of race change.
Can't say I don't understand them, because I do... I would see no reason to change the race of any of mine at this point after all.
But... many more people want this, and would pay for it... so one had to consider it likely to appear. As much as many of us will hate some people for using it to chase the FotM.
The point of "race change option" is changing the race of your character, either in an lore-conform in-character way through sufficiently advanced magic, or in an out-of-character, "backstory retcon" kind of way, without loosing any of the other things you spent so much time playing for. Personally I prefer former, but then, I would always prefer ways that involve one in the game world...

I guess in the end, we'll see how it goes.

Junkogen

If you're worried about FOTM, blame ZOS for making the passives so imbalanced that people would want a race change. If this game was like other Elder Scrolls games, your racial choice didn't matter much. In this game, they made it matter.

How about reducing the bonus from racial passives drastically? Then it wouldn't be such a big deal, like 1% or 2% bonuses instead of 10% or 12%, or the ridiculous 21% regen that Bosmers get. WTF, ZOS. How is that balanced with the turds you gave Argonians? The devs must have gotten bitten by lizards as children or something. It's really bizarre how they've gone about assigning the passives.

Starshadw

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Last info I have is still nothing definite.
And we know a lot of people are screaming for race change to get that last percentage point of super-effectiveness for their character.

This is just another reason why I dislike games that encourage min-maxing in how their mechanics work. Feh.

Catblade

Changing race wouldn't mess anything up racial passive are unlocked by level. Stop hating. And there's nothing wrong with min/maxing. Show me a stat and i'll show you a guy who is going to try to get it as high as possible

Shader_Shibes

I have a suspicion this will come with next major update. Infact i think zos will be mad not to make this one of their priorities, as a lot of people will use it. I know i have 3 chars which i would change race, very reluctantly though on my khajiit nb, but i probably would anyway, min-max ftw ^^

khele23eb17_ESO

JamilaRaj wrote: »

Why race change? Sounds to me lore breaking and out of place even in a world where magic is common.

Being able to wipe your character's brain and muscle memory of all the skills and talents and then learn new ones within mere minutes doesnt sound lore breaking? Please. If you can one I dont see much problems with having the other.

I would however prefer them making some sort of quest based way of changing your racials. Like embarking on a journey to a Khajit monastery where you do some dailies for a week or three as part of your training. Afterwards youd be rewarded with unlocking one or all kitty passives.

kylerjalen

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

JamilaRaj wrote: »

Why race change? Sounds to me lore breaking and out of place even in a world where magic is common.

Being able to wipe your character's brain and muscle memory of all the skills and talents and then learn new ones within mere minutes doesnt sound lore breaking? Please. If you can one I dont see much problems with having the other.

I would however prefer them making some sort of quest based way of changing your racials. Like embarking on a journey to a Khajit monastery where you do some dailies for a week or three as part of your training. Afterwards youd be rewarded with unlocking one or all kitty passives.

Wow... I kinda like that idea!

grumlins

ladyonthemoon wrote: »

Changing race in the middle of a play through would make a mess of your character, stats wise.

That's why they have respec duh

Dualrifle

I still think race change is a bit out of places.

But then again I probably would pay 5000 crown to have my class changed, I feel like being a Templar will be more fun than being NB....

And last time I check on Eso lore, there are generally no class, except if you are dragonborn... Then you are a class on your own...

dday3six

Dualrifle wrote: »

I still think race change is a bit out of places.

But then again I probably would pay 5000 crown to have my class changed, I feel like being a Templar will be more fun than being NB....

And last time I check on Eso lore, there are generally no class, except if you are dragonborn... Then you are a class on your own...

Well iirc Skyrim was the first Elder Scrolls title to not have classes.

AngryNord

dday3six wrote: »

on Eso lore, there are generally no class, except if you are dragonborn... Then you are a class on your own...

Well iirc Skyrim was the first Elder Scrolls title to not have classes. [/quote]

Correct. I dunno where these people get their lore from, Shoddycast and/or Wikia I guess...

TheShadowScout

AngryNord wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Well iirc Skyrim was the first Elder Scrolls title to not have classes.

Correct. I dunno where these people get their lore from, Shoddycast and/or Wikia I guess...

Yeah, those of us who started before TES:Skyrim, like, say... with TES:Daggerfall, and then played all the ones in between know better.
Though truth to be told, the classes in the TES solo player titles meant less then the ones in ESO. No surprise really, since the solo player games did have no need to be balanced builds for pvP, nor did they have such a high focus on flashy special effect "class ability" spells...
So in pre-skyrim TES games, there were classes, but those were more of a starting point, and every character could theoretically learn every skill if they really wanted to. There just were no special effects to the skills.
ESO replicates a lot of that feeling with how they don't limit us in armor or weapon selection.
And then we have classes here, for the MMO "rock-paper-scissors"... or maybe "tank-healer-DPS"... balance issue.
-shrugs-
It's a MMO thing. Most of them are like that. Especially the fantasy MMOs.
Most of all... classes are here to stay, they are not going to discard all their work and rewrite their whole game at this point. If they did, they'd be asking the suits in charge to pull the plug.
So deal with it.

In some ways, "class change" is more unrealistic then race change. There is lore precedent in the game for latter. Sufficiently advanced magic can plausibly change someones body, to the extent of making them a different race.
But someone suddenly deciding to forget everything they know and learn something else from scratch? Not very likely. (except in storyline driven "oh, noes, I lost mah memories" plotlines, and ESO usually goes with the "ex-prisoner" theme instead... this time with an added "oh, noes, I lost mah soul" flavor! )
Personally I would prefer some class specialization on top of the current ones to reflect the possibility of someone changing the direction of their training, but hey, we'll see what the future may bring with classes...