Suggestion to buff - ahem, balance - DK shields

MrDerrikk

When talking about Obsidian Shield, I know of nobody who uses them for the actual shields. In fact, only the morph worth using is the Igneous Shields and only for the healing buff, therefore making the other morph useless.

What I suggest is making the other morph, instead of doing damage when broken should scale off Max Magicka/Stamina like the other shields in the game (Other than Sun Shield so far as I know).

Such a simple fix, as well as a buff to the amount of protection it gives could make the choice between them actually a choice, and not just a skill that's known by the name of a morph. There could also be put a limit on the amount of allies that it affects if this seems to OP for people though.

Artheiron

man when we ask them to buff or fix a certain ability instead they nerf it or break it. I'm too afraid to ask things for dk.

MrDerrikk

Artheiron wrote: »

man when we ask them to buff or fix a certain ability instead they nerf it or break it. I'm too afraid to ask things for dk.

Playing a DK is already being masochistic, so if they nerf it any more then I'm sure the main response will be more people leaving; ergo, less money for them.

I prefer the idea of buffing one class than nerfing another though.

Artheiron

MrDerrikk wrote: »

Artheiron wrote: »

man when we ask them to buff or fix a certain ability instead they nerf it or break it. I'm too afraid to ask things for dk.

Playing a DK is already being masochistic, so if they nerf it any more then I'm sure the main response will be more people leaving; ergo, less money for them.

I prefer the idea of buffing one class than nerfing another though.

I agree what you say on first post, but seriously, bigger picture looks creepy. let's remember the past

people complained about dodge roll
each class had a skill that went through the dodge roll instead fixing the counters, they nerfed abilities.

people complained about bolt escape
each class had a gap closer even magicka dks, sorcs had crazy shields and macro issues, they chose to nerf bolt escape.

people complained about fiery chain
they nerfed it and broke it. 1.5 years ago. still broken. it says target too high or low even if your target is 2 meters above you.

people complained about sorc shields
they gave us weird armor sets...

people complained about crazy hitpoints, one shots
they made the combat behaviour just like a mediocre mmorpg.

people complained about having no reason to stay human
when they can buff racial abilites and blocking them once you switch to vamp/ww instead they nerfed ww/vamp passives.

and now people complaining about take flight/keep walls stuff.
god save us all.

Anhedonie

One does not simply stops the nerfing hammer.

usmcjdking

All shields need to brought to a similar level of performance. Whether that's buffing or nerfing it doesn't matter.

UltimaJoe777

I myself prefer Igneous Shield on my DK as well, but I don't see the other one being so useless in comparison that no one would ever run it. Based on the fact Damage Shields are for survivability I agree additional healing received is generally the better deal but that's not to say no one runs the other, which explodes when the shield dies.

NovaShadow

Faced a lot of DK's in Cyrodiil today. Flap flapping, whip whipping, perma blocking all over. The class isn't dead by any means and is still super strong.

For PVE I can see how the shield needs help but in PVP it's practically useless with the shield nurf unless they buff the shield beyond the point of the nurf to make it actually useful.

Bashev

I see your point why you want a more powerful shield for DKs. Because this mechanic is super OP now. But if DKs have a powerful shield then they will look like Sorcs. Then why dont you play a Sorc?

I agree that DKs need a buff in their defense.

Originally the 4 classes were designed as:
Sorcs defense is shields
NBs defense is dodge chance + cloak
DKs defense was block + 30% miss chance + reflective scales + instant self heal
Templars defense was miss chance 50% + block + eclipse + instant self heal

Now:
Sorc shields are the same
NBs dodge chance is the same and cloak was buffed
DKs - no miss chance anymore, block heavily nerfed, reflective scales nerfed, heal nerfed
Templar - no miss chance anymore, block nerfed, eclipse nerfed, heal is the same

MrDerrikk

Bashev wrote: »

I see your point why you want a more powerful shield for DKs. Because this mechanic is super OP now. But if DKs have a powerful shield then they will look like Sorcs. Then why dont you play a Sorc?

I agree that DKs need a buff in their defense.

Originally the 4 classes were designed as:
Sorcs defense is shields
NBs defense is dodge chance + cloak
DKs defense was block + 30% miss chance + reflective scales + instant self heal
Templars defense was miss chance 50% + block + eclipse + instant self heal

Now:
Sorc shields are the same
NBs dodge chance is the same and cloak was buffed
DKs - no miss chance anymore, block heavily nerfed, reflective scales nerfed, heal nerfed
Templar - no miss chance anymore, block nerfed, eclipse nerfed, heal is the same

I do play a Sorc as well, but just find that any shield based on health is completely useless. Fragmented Shield doesn't really do enough damage to permit giving up 30% healing recieved, so unless they buff the damage on that a lot it's kinda useless.

Bashev

MrDerrikk wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

I see your point why you want a more powerful shield for DKs. Because this mechanic is super OP now. But if DKs have a powerful shield then they will look like Sorcs. Then why dont you play a Sorc?

I agree that DKs need a buff in their defense.

Originally the 4 classes were designed as:
Sorcs defense is shields
NBs defense is dodge chance + cloak
DKs defense was block + 30% miss chance + reflective scales + instant self heal
Templars defense was miss chance 50% + block + eclipse + instant self heal

Now:
Sorc shields are the same
NBs dodge chance is the same and cloak was buffed
DKs - no miss chance anymore, block heavily nerfed, reflective scales nerfed, heal nerfed
Templar - no miss chance anymore, block nerfed, eclipse nerfed, heal is the same

I do play a Sorc as well, but just find that any shield based on health is completely useless. Fragmented Shield doesn't really do enough damage to permit giving up 30% healing recieved, so unless they buff the damage on that a lot it's kinda useless.

Yes the fragmented shield morph was heavily nerfed. I think that ZoS has to bring it back the initial design. All shields should do damage not only the shield on the DK.

alainjbrennanb16_ESO

iam a magic dk with staff both have been nurfed to high hell please dont ask for more they will just take it away

MrDerrikk

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

iam a magic dk with staff both have been nurfed to high hell please dont ask for more they will just take it away

Me too mate, me too...although, I must admit he's the most fun I've had in ESO. My Sorc was a cut/paste build and was boring as anything.

Draxys

It is a pretty useless shield but making it scale with magicka would just make it same as sorcs. Strengthen the shield for sure, but it should continue to be a unique skill like it is right now.

MrDerrikk

Draxys wrote: »

It is a pretty useless shield but making it scale with magicka would just make it same as sorcs. Strengthen the shield for sure, but it should continue to be a unique skill like it is right now.

How about (and I can't believe I'm saying this as a magicka DK) it scales to max stamina? There are no other shields that do this, and it'd help out the stam chars a lot to have a useful stam class skill?

Draxys

MrDerrikk wrote: »

Draxys wrote: »

It is a pretty useless shield but making it scale with magicka would just make it same as sorcs. Strengthen the shield for sure, but it should continue to be a unique skill like it is right now.

How about (and I can't believe I'm saying this as a magicka DK) it scales to max stamina? There are no other shields that do this, and it'd help out the stam chars a lot to have a useful stam class skill?

Well the problem with that is if you make it scale off either stat, you remove that skill from the viable abilities available to the other type of build. So in my opinion, it should continue to scale with health but the shield value should be strengthened.

Draxys

Really, this problem stems from sorcerers shields being so strong. I'm not saying it should be nerfed, but the reason we have the shield debuff in cyrodiil is because of hardened ward (and barrier to an extent). This debuff makes all other shields very lackluster. Just yet another example of a blanket fix that causes more problems than it solves because zenimax is too lazy or inept or both to actually fix things in a way that makes the game better.

MrDerrikk

Draxys wrote: »

MrDerrikk wrote: »

Draxys wrote: »

It is a pretty useless shield but making it scale with magicka would just make it same as sorcs. Strengthen the shield for sure, but it should continue to be a unique skill like it is right now.

How about (and I can't believe I'm saying this as a magicka DK) it scales to max stamina? There are no other shields that do this, and it'd help out the stam chars a lot to have a useful stam class skill?

Well the problem with that is if you make it scale off either stat, you remove that skill from the viable abilities available to the other type of build. So in my opinion, it should continue to scale with health but the shield value should be strengthened.

I meant doing this to Fragmented Shield because it's by far the least used morph. This gives tanks Igneous, Stam DD's Fragmented (or whatever it woudl be called) and Magicka DD's the non-class shields that use magicka.