Elder Stamina Online - Is this game really so biased against Magicka?!?

Faugaun

OK, so we Know nirnhoned on armor increases spell resist by 18% here's proof!



but where is the equivalent to stamina based reduction?

I know it's been talked about tons.....but here's another!!!



I threw this buff on a test weapon and went out hunting. Here's my stats before:



and here's my stats after:



notice the only change is that my weapon damage goes up, in a way that will increase damage from ALL of my stamina based skills....but where's the equivalent glyph for magicka users?

Seriously, it's very frustrating as a magicka dps/off-healer in pvp/trials/other competitive areas when you need to compete against stamina and they get so much more love than magicka.....

/qqrant over

p.s. I need some ideas for a good weapon glyph on my magicka nb.....

zerosingularity

Use recover Magicka or an elemental damage glyph, they are the equivalents since the CP points buff them, and those same CP points aren't generally used by stamina classes. (Increase wpn damage glyphs are not super powerful.)

Also nirn got nerfed/fixed, people use it for research almost exclusively now.

Outside pvp, stam users are the ones who may need love.

Jura23

zerosingularity wrote: »

Use recover Magicka or an elemental damage glyph, they are the equivalents since the CP points buff them, and those same CP points aren't generally used by stamina classes. (Increase wpn damage glyphs are not super powerful.)

Also nirn got nerfed/fixed, people use it for research almost exclusively now.

Outside pvp, stam users are the ones who may need love.

Wpn dmg glyphs get buffed indirectly by Mighty from CP tree if I'm not mistaken. but I'm not arguing your point, just noting this.

Alucardo

Lemme just pop my hardened and healing ward then we can test.. oh wait, stamina, right

Matem

Lol this thread

RoyJade

The reinforced trait is better than the nirnhoned (armor) actually, so…
And both are useless.

The game where magicka based at his beginning, it was nearly stamina based in 1.6 (except magicka sorcerer), now it isn't as unequal as before. It's not perfect indeed (some weak speciality, some too powerful one…) but there isn't only one way to win.

Ellendil

I dont know if this thread is just pure trolling or serious.

Ruben

Is this for real?

Faugaun wrote: »

OK, so we Know nirnhoned on armor increases spell resist by 18% here's proof!



but where is the equivalent to stamina based reduction?

Reinforced. Fortified Nirncrux is so much cheaper than Potent Nirncrux because the bonus to spell damage is WAY better than the laughable bonus to spell resistance.

Faugaun wrote: »

Seriously, it's very frustrating as a magicka dps/off-healer in pvp/trials/other competitive areas when you need to compete against stamina and they get so much more love than magicka.....

I don't know. Maybe use any class skill, since you don't need to pick and choose between the 3 that have stamina morphs?

Xendyn

Had a little chuckle at this one, remembering in the beginning when it was called Elder Robes Online and literally, you had to have a stick and dress or get out.

CyrusArya

I would suggest you focus on improving your build before trying to make an accurate judgement of these things. With stats that low id be frustrated with my dps too...

In PvP, save for dk, every magicka class can be as powerful if not more than their stamina counterpart. While Stam might have more raw burst, it's justified because they have to fight at melee range. Meanwhile, magicka builds get exponentially more utility and the option to spam the powerful skills that define each class. In the actually hard and relevant part of PvE dps, I.e. Boss fights, magicka builds are far superior on every account except for maybe templar which is more equal. Don't need to look farther than vet maelstrom to see how stamina and magicka compare in PvE.

RoyJade

CyrusArya wrote: »

Don't need to look farther than vet maelstrom to see how stamina and magicka compare in PvE.

I disagree a little with this part. Yes, in solo, stamina classes have more trouble than magicka one, but in a group that's not exactly the same thing. With healing behind, tank in front and stamina-recuperation friendly skill (templars' one, master staff…), stamina classes are more or less equal with magicka one (depending on the class).
But I agree with the rest of your post.

Xantaria

completely wrong. competetive PvE endgame ---> Magicka or GTFO.

Since 1.7 Stamina is NOT viable in PvE endgame anymore. I mean why would I play Stamina for 24k dps when I can just go Magicka and do 30k?

And pre 1.7 Stamina was only viable because of Camoflaged Hunter and Armor Penetration being bugged.

Your arguments are also flawed.

Magicka has Nirn Weapons with an insane amount of penetration PLUS defense. Stamina has Sharpened ...

J2JMC

"off-healer"

Tell me more about all the stamina off-healers outhealing you. I'll wait.

Don't mind me. Just going to take my stamina templar and nightblade out to heal vWGT...

Alcast

best joke ever, that is why 90% of the population plays magicka lul

Lenikus

You know that Nirnhoned armor only increase the number related to That Piece of armor, right ?
Like, that robe doesn't increase your Spell Resistance in 18%, it increases teh ROBE's armor rating for spell resistance by 18%
Magicka is pretty much the meta right now. Also, magicka users can spam skills as much as they want and still have stamina for one or 2 dodge rolls, while stamina builds need to either have absurd regens, or manage very well

Strider_Roshin

Nirnhoned on a weapon gives spell penetration, and spell resistance. Sure would be nice if sharpened gave armor penetration and physical resistance, but it doesn't. You lose some and you win some in this game. In the end magicka has a much larger arsenal to choose from when it comes to skills.

Faugaun

CyrusArya wrote: »

I would suggest you focus on improving your build before trying to make an accurate judgement of these things. With stats that low id be frustrated with my dps too...

In PvP, save for dk, every magicka class can be as powerful if not more than their stamina counterpart. While Stam might have more raw burst, it's justified because they have to fight at melee range. Meanwhile, magicka builds get exponentially more utility and the option to spam the powerful skills that define each class. In the actually hard and relevant part of PvE dps, I.e. Boss fights, magicka builds are far superior on every account except for maybe templar which is more equal. Don't need to look farther than vet maelstrom to see how stamina and magicka compare in PvE.

yeah guess you didn't notice my weapon is a level 41 on a vr16 ... I'm pushing 3200 spell damage all the way geared but thanks for you're quick judgement call...

Forestd16b14_ESO

Really? Ok this game has been ran by magic users for how long? Any one mind giving me the answer?

Ch4mpTW

I love being a magicka-based sorcerer right now. And to be honest, I always loved it. And I do understand where you're coming from somewhat, OP. But, you gotta understand. Being a mage is pretty much "easy-mode" for us (magicka users) in regards to the game. Just smile and wave my friend. Smile and wave at the stamina nightblade mains.

grumlins

zerosingularity wrote: »

Use recover Magicka or an elemental damage glyph, they are the equivalents since the CP points buff them, and those same CP points aren't generally used by stamina classes. (Increase wpn damage glyphs are not super powerful.)

Also nirn got nerfed/fixed, people use it for research almost exclusively now.

Outside pvp, stam users are the ones who may need love.

Totally agree I especially hate how few options there are for stam because the physical attacks are offset by armor as much as they are and the attacks that are wrongly supported by magicka (like almost all of the bow shots that are worth anything doing poison or fire damage which are typically magicka based attacks) don't scale properly with stam in PVE.

grumlins

zerosingularity wrote: »

Use recover Magicka or an elemental damage glyph, they are the equivalents since the CP points buff them, and those same CP points aren't generally used by stamina classes. (Increase wpn damage glyphs are not super powerful.)

Also nirn got nerfed/fixed, people use it for research almost exclusively now.

Outside pvp, stam users are the ones who may need love.

Totally agree I especially hate how few options there are for stam because the physical attacks are offset by armor as much as they are and the attacks that are wrongly supported by magicka (like almost all of the bow shots that are worth anything doing poison or fire damage which are typically magicka based attacks) don't scale properly with stam in PVE.

Erynyes

sure i'll trade you those weak weapon damage glyph for a potent nirncrux that works for physical damage... BTW how do you like your argonian

MrGrimey

Go do vMA as a stamina build

Sharakor

Yup they even destroyed magicka nightblades

Faugaun

Erynyes wrote: »

sure i'll trade you those weak weapon damage glyph for a potent nirncrux that works for physical damage... BTW how do you like your argonian

Love my Argonian NB Just wish there was more water in cyrodil for my passive swim speed buff, would make for really interesting scroll running .... til I got encased in the water... but that's what potions are for

MrDerrikk

I chuckle every time I see this topic come to the top. As a die-hard Magicka fan I know how much ZOS seems to hate Stamina

Speely

It's tough, dude. As a Magicka build, all I get are GREAT heals and tons of utility options, plus lots of support options that obv don't matter because what does that do for ME??? Since the vast majority of all class skills are Magicka-based, I also have to deal with having to CHOOSE between all of them based upon what I want to do. The myriad choices really cut into the time I could be using to shred faces.

Thing is, at one point I foolishly thought that all I had to do to counteract the greater pure DPS capacity of some Stamina builds was to USE the greater utility at my disposal as a Magicka build to mitigate that brutal short-range, totally predictable damage output (or in group PvE to be able to fill more than one role.) Y'know, use the tools I had access to?

But then I thought about it, and nah. Why should I have to put more effort into a build with more options? I should just demand bigger numbers and hope ZOS forgets about my utility when they finally capitulate to my demands. Numbers are all that matter after all. If things like options mattered, we would all have to factor in player aptitude and adaptability, and that would be VILE.

So YEAH! Why do you hate us Magicka builds so much, ZOS???? Let us spam all our crazy shield, healing, and utility skills while having the same damage output as those with lesser shield, healing and utility options. Sounds good to me!

Callous2208

I have nothing to add to this discussion, but hope it stays near the top of the list so more people can read the op and start their day with a good laugh.

Stikato

As long as Healing Ward exists, magicka will never be underpowered.

Prospering

lol who tf uses nirn

MrDerrikk

Prospering wrote: »

lol who tf uses nirn

The weapons are still awesome, but not the armor.