Will vet maelstrom be completable on console?

HPDark

I only have a redguard nb with 175 champion points. I won't be able to level a sorc in time, as a stamina user I'll have a hard time, luckily I have a nb. But with that being said is it possible with low CP to finish vet? Or are they going to lower the difficulty some?

Function

I recommend looking at the threads and videos that @Alcast has created. This thread he created specifically talks about what you can do to help on stamina classes - http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/229469/vet-maelstrom-arena-with-stamina-classes-explanation-gear-skills#latest

Nifty2g

ill be surprised if they bring it to console how it is instead of adjusting it

Reznique

It will be TOUGH af if you dont have at least 300 CP

Ariisen

I plan to get the DLC at launch but I won't enter MSA before I can get some more CP's (I have 183 now), and as currently I'm working on levelling my alts and picking my main only to help friends for helmet runs I don't think I'll try it before the incoming nerf...

I would have liked to get kicked around a bit tough, I hope it stays as hard as it is.

HPDark

I have read all of alcast threads, I will study the videos closer to release. I have max gear prov alch pots ets so it's going to boil down entirely to champion points. It would be rediculous if only mag sorc and nb and pc transfers can complete it

Eleusian

It's kinda like the 9 trait sets most can not craft if day 1 console player. Unless mix matching armor types. Contents not for us just buy it and be happy. Jk

Artjuh90

why the need to finish it day 1?
you can finish it later or am i saying something strange

HPDark

Why release it day 1 if it cant be beat day 1? If I need 200 more champion points and 2 and a half months of grinding just to beat it the next update will be out. They'll have to tone it down for console players it doesn't make any sense.

Artjuh90

cause there is more content then the arena?
and you have something to work for to achief.
rome wasn't build in a day phrase comes to mind

nine9six

HPDark wrote: »

Why release it day 1 if it cant be beat day 1?

I'd hate to have to work towards something...

iamnotweakrwb17_ESO

Don't even bother trying to do Vet maelstrom with low CP. You'll just be throwing your gold away and pissing yourself off for no good reason. Vet maelstrom is intended for people who are at or near the CP cap and have decent gear.

Brrrofski

I have a VR16 sorc with level 16/14 gold gear which I will try it with. I'm pretty happy with the setup.

I'm around 230 CP.

So I'll see how it goes.

I might do better when I have mats for a 16 set of julianos for it.

Higher crit means more heals, which will be a huge help I'm sure.

I have a few days off when it's out. So I'll be giving it a good go.

Alcast

HPDark wrote: »

I only have a redguard nb with 175 champion points. I won't be able to level a sorc in time, as a stamina user I'll have a hard time, luckily I have a nb. But with that being said is it possible with low CP to finish vet? Or are they going to lower the difficulty some?

First of all, EVERY Stamina user has a horrible time in there, not mainly because of the difficulty, mainly because of the huge amount of BUGS that make your day really bad. I had to calm down for 3h after I started a run yday and got killed by stranglers broken pull mechanic.

That being said, stamina NB has the "easiest" time of all Stamina Classes. Lucky you are a redguard which helps a lot with sustain.

I do not know how the movement is on console with a controller.

With what setup would you go in there? Skills/Gear?

HPDark

I have my bars set up as yours was got them all leveled up, I have 5 hundings divines, 3 nightmothers divines, 1 impenetrable heavy molag kena, 3 robust agil jewelry with wep dmg I can change out if needed. Double daggers 1 Sharpened 1 precise wep dmg and reduce armor enchant with a 2h mace. I might make double maces for the arena. And my cp are where you put everything except 1/3 because I was unsure on optimization

Alcast

HPDark wrote: »

I have my bars set up as yours was got them all leveled up, I have 5 hundings divines, 3 nightmothers divines, 1 impenetrable heavy molag kena, 3 robust agil jewelry with wep dmg I can change out if needed. Double daggers 1 Sharpened 1 precise wep dmg and reduce armor enchant with a 2h mace. I might make double maces for the arena. And my cp are where you put everything except 1/3 because I was unsure on optimization

Y thats nice, the good thing about NB, and that is also why it has a huge adantage over others, is with bolstering darkness you get a 60% dmg reduction and you could add another 15% from Shadow Image. Also Surprise attack adds Major Fracture on all the mobs which is a huge dmg boost + reapers mark if you use ith 25% dmg boost after a mob is dead. Siphoning strikes basically gives back so much resources its crazy.

Make sure to have caltrops up at all the times, it ALWAYS gives back more resources than it costs already with only 1 mob standing in caltrops.

Samphaa

I think the thing I'm going to struggle with most is keeping my buffs up, not that I don't keep them up, but I tend to overcast things which leads to a lack of resources as I have no timer to tell me when my buffs are coming off.

jd_newell_ESO

Players on the consoles will be able to beat it for sure.

The question is will most even bother?

The *** poor BoP loot, huge gold & time sink, and lets not forget the slim chance of getting a weapon at the end, ( not to mention the even slimmer chance of a decent trait rolling on it), and you will have console players basically just giving it a pass.

The holiday season is here and too many games are releasing for many to grind the same content over and over for little or no reward.

DRXHarbinger

Still don't get this champ point complaining, seriously if 4% of whatever makes that much of a difference then you need to stop rushing to the end game and work on it properly, cycling though 100 points is no easy feat to just raise one pony little stat by a minute difference, quicker to farm for better gear.

danno8

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Still don't get this champ point complaining, seriously if 4% of whatever makes that much of a difference then you need to stop rushing to the end game and work on it properly, cycling though 100 points is no easy feat to just raise one pony little stat by a minute difference, quicker to farm for better gear.

100 cp's makes a much bigger difference than just "4%" of a stat.

For example, going from 100cp's to 200 cp's gives you 7.5% more damage, 7.5% less elemental damage and reduce your costs by an extra 4%. That is just if you are stacking 3 stars. If you spread them out you can get more passives instead.

Get to 215 cp's and you can have 3 more passives added to that list above. It makes a big difference, more than gear does stat-wise anyways. You should really not dismiss it.

LadyNalcarya

HPDark wrote: »

Why release it day 1 if it cant be beat day 1? If I need 200 more champion points and 2 and a half months of grinding just to beat it the next update will be out. They'll have to tone it down for console players it doesn't make any sense.

Where's the point in beating everything at the first try? Even in simpliest games, like tag or rock-paper-scissors you're not supposed to win instantly.

Colosso-monstro

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

HPDark wrote: »

Why release it day 1 if it cant be beat day 1? If I need 200 more champion points and 2 and a half months of grinding just to beat it the next update will be out. They'll have to tone it down for console players it doesn't make any sense.

Where's the point in beating everything at the first try? Even in simpliest games, like tag or rock-paper-scissors you're not supposed to win instantly.

There has to be a reasonable expectation that a decent amount of consumers can finish the content and that others will be able to in time. Otherwise, why even buy the content?

LadyNalcarya

Colosso-monstro wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

HPDark wrote: »

Why release it day 1 if it cant be beat day 1? If I need 200 more champion points and 2 and a half months of grinding just to beat it the next update will be out. They'll have to tone it down for console players it doesn't make any sense.

Where's the point in beating everything at the first try? Even in simpliest games, like tag or rock-paper-scissors you're not supposed to win instantly.

There has to be a reasonable expectation that a decent amount of consumers can finish the content and that others will be able to in time. Otherwise, why even buy the content?

Well, this dlc includes much more than just 1 arena. It's not even 10% of it actually.
And the game should cater to every category of players.

HPDark

Grind what better gear? Only thing I can improve is med divines kena. And if I have that then the new public dungeons are useless, there's no upgrades for me. Champion points are the only improvement I can make. If it's not doable for 99% of console players what's the point. It's only use would be for pc transfers who quit playing pc. And I'm not saying I want to beat it one try, I just want to know that it's possible I can even beat it. I'd be ok with trying for a week or 2 but not if I'm only going to find out its impossible you know?

elium85

Yeah, a lot of us Console players already have BiS gear/builds and don't really need much from the Arena. We just want to clear it and and have a semi-enjoyable process. That being said, I sit at 240 CP and it would take me 2 months, even with the catchup mechanic to grind the last 260. So, if that's how long it will take before I can clear it, that is really annoying.

Hiero_Glyph

Honestly the hardest thing for console players to overcome will be the lack of information about remaining health (are they in execute range), which buffs or debuffs are active (no timers of any kind), and general damage optimization (lack of damage numbers). When you are trying to learn a mechanic, having this information makes it so much easier as you can actually see the effects of your strategy. If you switch a skill or try a different set you won't know how much it benefits you without playing for a significant amount of time since a small gain or loss never really shows until you finish your run. I mean the only thing we will know is our score and clear time; that's rubbish!

EDIT: Imagine trying to optimize crit chance/damage using CP, mundus, gear and skills just based on score and clear time?

elium85

@Hiero_Glyph Haha, the struggle is real.

HPDark

I agree whole-heartedly. I heard we will get numbers in a future patch though. It's almost the moment of truth. If you xbox players can let us know tomorrow about difficulty

MrGrimey

I'm going to pass on this DLC and focus on getting proxy det for my sorc and farming wgy and imperial prison instead. In fact, I probably won't buy another DLC unless it has some pvp content

FizzOnly

MrGrimey wrote: »

I'm going to pass on this DLC and focus on getting proxy det for my sorc and farming wgy and imperial prison instead. In fact, I probably won't buy another DLC unless it has some pvp content

tbh wgt/ip droprates seem to fishy to be real.there is no way the current droprates are 25% like ZoS said.cant even count my runs anymore,prolly over 250.Since Orsinium dropped,rates got worse.

HPDark

It might be 25% per group as opposed to per player but I have no idea. Some people are trying to figure out how loot tables work and they say people are receiving deconstructed loot so hold on to all your drops in the bank.

Also any pc to xbox players any word on difficulty? I haven't read the patch notes yet today.

On a third, unrelated note, ever since I heard about the patch it sounded like the arena was mostly going to be used as data collection on a class by class basis disguised as a content add on. So they can use it to fine tune classes for future updates if they ever decided to include pvp arenas or just class balance in general.