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Own Fief
Frostbitte
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I wanted to also see the community's voice on this.
So at least on the DC story line, you work harder for the High King then pretty much all nobles and kings and queens alike. You remain just alone, and have no authority however. In real life I have a hard time understanding that, should a person like the players have a option after a lot of hard work to be granted a own fief, only open to them. To be able to manage a community of NPCs, within a story line as you work for the High King.
For example, in the DC story line in Rivenspire, you do EVERYTHING, and then somebody else becomes king/queen. They did nothing, like for real.
Or is this just the struggle of life basically where you do everything and somebody else gets on the credit? Because if that's it, I don't like how ESO is getting to realist.
So at least on the DC story line, you work harder for the High King then pretty much all nobles and kings and queens alike. You remain just alone, and have no authority however. In real life I have a hard time understanding that, should a person like the players have a option after a lot of hard work to be granted a own fief, only open to them. To be able to manage a community of NPCs, within a story line as you work for the High King.
For example, in the DC story line in Rivenspire, you do EVERYTHING, and then somebody else becomes king/queen. They did nothing, like for real.
Or is this just the struggle of life basically where you do everything and somebody else gets on the credit? Because if that's it, I don't like how ESO is getting to realist.
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GuyNamedSean✭✭✭✭Seems a lot more like real life than becoming the Thane of every hold in Skyrim or the Vampire Werewolf God member of every Great House and Ashlander tribe in Morrowind.
Really, though, I had somewhat of the same problem. I never liked being the random hero surrounded by people waiting for me to do all the work and then carrying on doing hero stuff somewhere else while they reap the benefits.
The Dominion story is much better about that. Sure, you're still the hero, but all the other people around you are just as important and are doing amazing things. Hell, Razum-dar saved my sorry hide from prison more times than I can count.Former Guildmaster of the Legion of Mournhold
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✭✭✭✭✭You're trying to use an imaginary system of inherited nobility in a multiplayer video game to somehow validate your butthurt over lacking achievements in real life?
We can't help your issues in real life. But if you want to be a princess in the game, sorry, you're not of royal blood and all the good deeds and gopher tasks in the world won't change that.
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FrostbitteSoul ShrivenGuyNamedSean wrote: »Seems a lot more like real life than becoming the Thane of every hold in Skyrim or the Vampire Werewolf God member of every Great House and Ashlander tribe in Morrowind.
Really, though, I had somewhat of the same problem. I never liked being the random hero surrounded by people waiting for me to do all the work and then carrying on doing hero stuff somewhere else while they reap the benefits.
The Dominion story is much better about that. Sure, you're still the hero, but all the other people around you are just as important and are doing amazing things. Hell, Razum-dar saved my sorry hide from prison more times than I can count.
Id agree with this, I mean I would be okay with maybe just even a little warriors outpost. Like the A'Sha'bah or Luki place, both which needed a leader, you saved them and did everything for them and then someone else gets leader. -
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✭✭✭✭✭I have to agree that the AD storyline is a bit better in that particular regard - as there you basically get a job as covert operative of the queen, and that kind of people do not get rewarded with lands and titles.
In DC, considering how much you help the high kind, a title and fiew -would- indeed be the logical reward.
EP... eh... Dunmer are a bit stuck up on the matter, all "family line" and "noble blood" and that sort of stuff... might have to marry some dunmeri noble to inherit a hold there. Argonians... not even sure if they have the concept of personal land, I would think they just consider the swamp free to use for any who would build themselves a hut somewhere... Nords... maaaaybe, though again I would think they are more into tradition and less into strangers getting granted lands.
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✭✭✭✭✭TheShadowScout wrote: »Nords... maaaaybe, though again I would think they are more into tradition and less into strangers getting granted lands.
"You have done a great service to our city, Dragonborn. By my right as Jarl, I name you Thane of Whiterun!" - Jarl Balgruuf
"Maybe they'll make you Thane of Whiterun? After all, they'll take anyone. - Holgunn
"In the Storyteller's name, I stand upon the bones of the world. I drink in the promise and power of nature's law, and breathe out my thanks."
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The reason that you don't become the leader of those factions is that there are people a hundred times more suited for the role than you are. I mean, in the case of the Ash'abah there is already a clear successor for Marimah. You can't seriously expect to become the leader of the inhabitants of Leki's Blade, considering what great emphasis they put on experience and wisdom, when you have only been a menber for 15 minutes.Frostbitte wrote: »GuyNamedSean wrote: »Seems a lot more like real life than becoming the Thane of every hold in Skyrim or the Vampire Werewolf God member of every Great House and Ashlander tribe in Morrowind.
Really, though, I had somewhat of the same problem. I never liked being the random hero surrounded by people waiting for me to do all the work and then carrying on doing hero stuff somewhere else while they reap the benefits.
The Dominion story is much better about that. Sure, you're still the hero, but all the other people around you are just as important and are doing amazing things. Hell, Razum-dar saved my sorry hide from prison more times than I can count.
Id agree with this, I mean I would be okay with maybe just even a little warriors outpost. Like the A'Sha'bah or Luki place, both which needed a leader, you saved them and did everything for them and then someone else gets leader.
I prefer realism over the "DRAGONBORN!" nonsense we got in Skyrim. It worked in Morrowind as almost everyone see you as an "N'wah" in the beginning. But then you start to climb the great slippery ladder and suddenly you are "Muthsera", it acrually felt important to be Saint Nerevar reborn as you had earned the trust of your once detractors.
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Gern_Verkheart✭✭✭✭elias.stormneb18_ESO wrote: »
I prefer realism over the "DRAGONBORN!" nonsense we got in Skyrim. It worked in Morrowind as almost everyone see you as an "N'wah" in the beginning. But then you start to climb the great slippery ladder and suddenly you are "Muthsera", it acrually felt important to be Saint Nerevar reborn as you had earned the trust of your once detractors.
Yes, being a reincarnated General from the past is certainly more realistic and believable than the Dragonborn.
The reason the Nords revere you so much for being the Dragonborn, is because it has far more of a religious component to it than the Nerevarine. In Nord mythology, the Dragonborn was directly blessed by Kyn, who is one of the primary deities in the Nord pantheon. It is also likely that Dragonborns are Shezarines, which makes them mortal reincarnations of Shor himself. So, the Nords revere you so much because you are their primary god walking amongst them.
Also because, you know, you murdered a freaking dragon and ate it's soul right in front of them. That has a tendency to impress. -
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Literally you npc companions do almost zero damage while you take on a full list of monsters with high damage
Than in the end, this guy gets crowns leader when you were literally the brains and muscle in the whole operationPlease vote in the console text chat thread so ZoS can see how many people want text chat
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✭✭✭✭✭elias.stormneb18_ESO wrote: »
The reason that you don't become the leader of those factions is that there are people a hundred times more suited for the role than you are. I mean, in the case of the Ash'abah there is already a clear successor for Marimah. You can't seriously expect to become the leader of the inhabitants of Leki's Blade, considering what great emphasis they put on experience and wisdom, when you have only been a menber for 15 minutes.Frostbitte wrote: »GuyNamedSean wrote: »Seems a lot more like real life than becoming the Thane of every hold in Skyrim or the Vampire Werewolf God member of every Great House and Ashlander tribe in Morrowind.
Really, though, I had somewhat of the same problem. I never liked being the random hero surrounded by people waiting for me to do all the work and then carrying on doing hero stuff somewhere else while they reap the benefits.
The Dominion story is much better about that. Sure, you're still the hero, but all the other people around you are just as important and are doing amazing things. Hell, Razum-dar saved my sorry hide from prison more times than I can count.
Id agree with this, I mean I would be okay with maybe just even a little warriors outpost. Like the A'Sha'bah or Luki place, both which needed a leader, you saved them and did everything for them and then someone else gets leader.
I prefer realism over the "DRAGONBORN!" nonsense we got in Skyrim. It worked in Morrowind as almost everyone see you as an "N'wah" in the beginning. But then you start to climb the great slippery ladder and suddenly you are "Muthsera", it acrually felt important to be Saint Nerevar reborn as you had earned the trust of your once detractors.
I think they did right with the accolades in Morrowind, but I actually have the reverse experience with Skyrim. Everyone was still completely disrespectful, even after the main quest was over. I'm over here kicking scale and saving boot, but two minutes later I'm in a bar, someone calls me a milk drinker, and then fights me to the death. Doing some side quests? No acknowledgement of your past deeds, same old insulting dialogue. It didn't help that with a maxed-out speechcraft your dialogue options were still just "I...", "Uh...." and "Hmmmmm". Skyrim had a lot of great things about it, but those two points really stuck out as mistakes for me.Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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"WELCOME TO REAL LIFE!"Frostbitte wrote: »For example, in the DC story line in Rivenspire, you do EVERYTHING, and then somebody else becomes king/queen. They did nothing, like for real.
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You could get a keep with some land after finishing main quest of zone, but yea i just loved how in EP campain i was no one even tho i saved pact 4 times.
Also i just Loled (in sad way) when after saving shadowfen in next zone Argonian delegate asked me "who are you that i should listen"
Over all game have alot of things to polish. I would say that it is extrymly good beta and promising game but.... yea... over all game is simply unpolished.For example Playing dark elf i go to vilige and see the guy, so i talk to him. Npc says to me "I do not like Pact being here, Dark elfs were always black sheep of elfs" you can find things like this around this game like... evrywhere. All you do seams while importent in world like a thing that nobody cares YOU did beside randome people that somehow know that i did evrything....
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Because you're watching the game from your point of view only. You didn't participate in 99% of potential things that were happening simulatenously, yet you want to get a credit for being "the main hero". Well, heroic fantasy is both childish and oldschool and definitely not a way to go in MMO where there are thousands of "Saviors of Nirn", "Pact Heros" etc. Ok, you saved the king, so you received 624 Gold and Diamong Ring of Spell Cost Reduction, 1 Skill Point and you're done there, move along.AronGrayblood wrote: »You could get a keep with some land after finishing main quest of zone, but yea i just loved how in EP campain i was no one even tho i saved pact 4 times.
Also i just Loled (in sad way) when after saving shadowfen in next zone Argonian delegate asked me "who are you that i should listen"
Over all game have alot of things to polish. I would say that it is extrymly good beta and promising game but.... yea... over all game is simply unpolished.For example Playing dark elf i go to vilige and see the guy, so i talk to him. Npc says to me "I do not like Pact being here, Dark elfs were always black sheep of elfs" you can find things like this around this game like... evrywhere. All you do seams while importent in world like a thing that nobody cares YOU did beside randome people that somehow know that i did evrything....
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Oh i do not mean to take all credits, i just want to get recognition that maters. For example Argonian claming "oh you helped as shadowfen k mate we are cool i will do as you ask its not that you require alot from me"
I do not really even like hero fantasy i would much more likly be a minor character in ESO world rather then the biggest most awesome hero but game certenly wants me to belive that i was doing main job and i am THE hero in this topic.
And it is hard to take it seriously when whenever you end quest it just goes to gj but it does no matter teritory. There are little things that would repair it, like quest character noticing what you have already done changing few lines in dialogue (depending on earlier action and soo on) and if you got acess to housing in zone as a reward for main quest, then why not?Edited by AronGrayblood on October 25, 2015 7:24PM -
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✭The NPCs actually do take a notice of your actions. However, it's not about saving the King's ass (a thing that all citizens are indisputably required to do so when needed), but completing (let's call it like that) difficult tasks. For example, once you finish veteran Crypt of Hearts, NPCs will start to recognize you as a person who did it and praise you. Fair enough for me. -
Tannakaobi✭✭✭✭✭Being a King or Queen is about blood or conquest and either way it is about getting plebs like you to do their bidding. So shut it and bow ***!
