Undaunted chest sick joke zos?

Mettaricana

So opened 6 pledge chests 3 gold 3 silver the other day... and got common ic enemy drop fodder on all 6 are you kidding zos given the difficulty finding groups much less ones that can finish the dungeon without rage quitting after first wipe. And I get stuff more common than the weakest enemy in ic can drop for the end reward. I'm sorry but there should be no excuse for trash fodder in a gold chest or silver. It should always be either a peice of random undaunted gear or item set peice or shoulders the chances of getting the pauldron we want are slim enough without crap decon materials with well fitted on them further clustering the chances. you made dungeons harder to do.. don't make the rewards even worse...

I'd have been happy getting an undaunted unweaver set oeice with well fitted or training vs this crap fodder....

tinythinker

There is a Champion System passive for better loot that might help. Not sure if it is worth it.

Flaminir

In the next update there will be a 50% chance to get a chapter of the new Mercenary motif in a silver chest, and a 60% chance in a gold chest.

There you go... moar lootz!

incite

Same thread different day

Vrienda

Flaminir wrote: »

In the next update there will be a 50% chance to get a chapter of the new Mercenary motif in a silver chest, and a 60% chance in a gold chest.

There you go... moar lootz!

Really? As high a chance as that? That's pretty awesome. I'll be happy to do the pledges on a daily basis in that case.

Jura23

Hear this - the day before yesterday I run 4 dungeons. 2 vet and 2 non vet including gold and silver pledge. I found 2 v16 monster shoulders and 1 v16 monster helmet. tratis: well-fitted, impenetrable 2x.

AlnilamE

Those items are good fi decon, so you can make your new gear.
Ir for selling the mats.

I don't mind those at all.

But as someone said, keep your keys till the update.

I did that on my sorc from V7 to V16. I had about 60 to open at once and that was a lot of fun.

Mettaricana

AlnilamE wrote: »

Those items are good fi decon, so you can make your new gear.
Ir for selling the mats.

I don't mind those at all.

But as someone said, keep your keys till the update.

I did that on my sorc from V7 to V16. I had about 60 to open at once and that was a lot of fun.

A single rubedite pauldron hardly counts as remotely worth it given the 20 I looted in the dungeon. Save tge fodder for the dungeon not the completion reward

Zilch

Considering how low the chance is, of getting the perfect monster shoulder set piece that you are looking for, I'm amazed that a gold key isn't guaranteeing a piece every time.

Keepercraft

RNG :P

Jura23

Zilch wrote: »

Considering how low the chance is, of getting the perfect monster shoulder set piece that you are looking for, I'm amazed that a gold key isn't guaranteeing a piece every time.

I'm even more amazed that people still do the grind despite of what you said. I couldn't care less.

F7sus4

With all the traits being random multiplied by the amount of Undaunted set pieces you might want, a 33% chance of getting random shoulder piece as a reward feels about right.

Zouni

Flaminir wrote: »

In the next update there will be a 50% chance to get a chapter of the new Mercenary motif in a silver chest, and a 60% chance in a gold chest.

There you go... moar lootz!

Probably be able to buy it in crown store otherwise.

Jura23

F7sus4 wrote: »

With all the traits being random multiplied by the amount of Undaunted set pieces you might want, a 33% chance of getting random shoulder piece as a reward feels about right.

Won't stop the crybabies demanding everything to be handed to them on a silver plate.

DracoBeowulf

Mettaricana wrote: »

So opened 6 pledge chests 3 gold 3 silver the other day... and got common ic enemy drop fodder on all 6 are you kidding zos given the difficulty finding groups much less ones that can finish the dungeon without rage quitting after first wipe. And I get stuff more common than the weakest enemy in ic can drop for the end reward. I'm sorry but there should be no excuse for trash fodder in a gold chest or silver. It should always be either a peice of random undaunted gear or item set peice or shoulders the chances of getting the pauldron we want are slim enough without crap decon materials with well fitted on them further clustering the chances. you made dungeons harder to do.. don't make the rewards even worse...

I'd have been happy getting an undaunted unweaver set oeice with well fitted or training vs this crap fodder....

I had the opposite happen. Opened 14 gold keys last week and i got monster set shoulders in every chest. No molag kena though.... Also still cant seem to get engine guardian or city of ash helm...

Flaminir

Zouni wrote: »

Flaminir wrote: »

In the next update there will be a 50% chance to get a chapter of the new Mercenary motif in a silver chest, and a 60% chance in a gold chest.

There you go... moar lootz!

Probably be able to buy it in crown store otherwise.

No probably about it....

It will be in the crown store after a period of time. Its cosmetic, and I think somebody has already data-mined the info if memory serves.

This just gives people some time to get it in game. And for a change ZoS have already come out and mentioned the drop rates which is a refreshing change. And they even said they are making it easier to get due to the complaints about the grind required to get the IC motifs.

Beesting

The first 60 gold pledges i did back in the day, i got one shoulder in every 11 keys on avarage

Now all this time later i have more shoulders than i care for because i did them almost daily

To come to the forums and complain about 3 gold keys is a bit OTT

Silver does not even count, it is more a bonus, dont expect anything with it

tist

I stopped doing them after a week straight of Rubedite junk. They should allow you to purchase a random undaunted piece after 3 gold keys. Or a specific piece with 10

Flaminir

tist wrote: »

I stopped doing them after a week straight of Rubedite junk. They should allow you to purchase a random undaunted piece after 3 gold keys. Or a specific piece with 10

Whilst I personally would like this it will never happen, & I kinda agree with ZoS on why it wouldn't...

Undaunted pledges are one of the only daily repeatable significant things to do in the game for a reward. If you took this away after just ten runs by giving somebody the perfect single piece they needed.... well nobody would run most of the dungeons again.

This would lead to more people saying they had nothing to do, and getting bored and leaving.

Like it or not... the daily undaunted grind keeps many people firmly on the hamster wheel engaged with going round and round and playing the game in the hope that maybe... just maybe.... this will be the day when they get that heavy Divines helm.... or the light divines shoulders they want.

What I do think would be reasonable though is to take the REALLY crappy traits away.... they did it with the trophy vaults in IC... should do the same for undaunted helms and shoulders. There's enough of a grind... they could improve it a bit in this way whilst keeping us pretty much on our hamster wheels.

reften

I'm just about convinced the more you do stuff, the lower your chances are of getting something worthwhile

It's in the RNG formula, they're just not telling us.

I rarely do undaunted gold keys. And when I do, I always get good loot, but hear stories like this over and over
I rarely turn in trophys, but the couple times I have, I've received agility ring, glass motifs, etc.

I do my provisioning writ every single day....and haven't seen a psijic piece drop since the first week it launched when I go two.

Going to test by stopping doing my provisioning writs for a week

Preyfar

Mettaricana wrote: »

So opened 6 pledge chests 3 gold 3 silver the other day... and got common ic enemy drop fodder on all 6...

I'm almost at 40 keys now without a single shoulder drop. Talk about discouraging... =/

ColtPython

The drop rate seems to have gone down significantly. After the update, I cashed in over 150 keys and had about 40-50% drop rate (some of the toons had the tresaure hunter passive some didnt). A couple weeks ago my friends noticed the drop rate had gone down considerably. I'm now getting more like a 1/10 shoulder/key.

So, I'll just be saving them again for the motif pages.

Islyn

Zilch wrote: »

Considering how low the chance is, of getting the perfect monster shoulder set piece that you are looking for, I'm amazed that a gold key isn't guaranteeing a piece every time.

V16 light molag kena shoulders divine on my first gold key back in game, blue medium molag kena shoulders divine on my first silver key back in game. My guild hates me.

LordMcSwagger

It's RNG, the point is to grind, it is what it is.

The RNG is not strong with you. In a deck of cards you can pull out 4 aces or no aces. It's all chance and luck.

Nighn_9

Flaminir wrote: »

In the next update there will be a 50% chance to get a chapter of the new Mercenary motif in a silver chest, and a 60% chance in a gold chest.

There you go... moar lootz!

how do u know this?

Nighn_9

If your a subscriber you get shoulders almost every other day. i havent got anything good from undaunted chest in a very long time

Scyantific

Saved up 100 keys on my nightblade, opened them up the moment I hit v16, first five were:

-Divines Molag Kena Medium
-Divines Molag Kena Light
-Divines Valkyn Skoria Light
-Divines Engine Guardian Medium
-Heavy Blood Spawn Divines


I see no problem with the chests.

Kessra

Nighn_9 wrote: »

If your a subscriber you get shoulders almost every other day. i havent got anything good from undaunted chest in a very long time

I'm a subscriber but from the 42 gold-keys I turned in after I hit V16 on the first day the DLC came out, I got like 4 shoulders (3 light, 1 medium armor with meh traits). Now I have like 1 shoulder per week on average - sometimes more, sometimes less. But I started to collect the keys again in order to turn them in when Orsinium goes live to increase chances on the motifs. I therefore guess that, like in dungeons, the drop chance for a set-shoulder is like 10 % as well. Would be nice to know if, with the increased drop chance (up to 30%) in Orsinium DLC, this will also affect pledge chests as well.

Crazy RNG holds also true for tamper alloys - before the patch I was able to collect like 60 in like 2-3 month, now I'm able to get like 5 per month (including crafting dailies; and I farm a lot of nodes), though got 3 from refining like 160 ingots yesterday (2 weeks in a row none).

I also know ppl who got their ICP/WGT gear in perfect traits in less than a week while others can't even get more than 3 pieces - though running these dungeons almost constantly. RNG is RNG - on the long run, it is not good. The badges now obtainable by killing bosses are a step in the right direction to give players the opportunity to actually farm their gear in a further way when they have bad luck. In the face of all logic though, the loot is also random again, which shows up the absurdity of the loot system.

Nikkor

The rng for 9/10 people I talk to has gotten so much worse since ic.

I used to get shoulders out of 2/3's the chests I opened. Now I get a set of shoulders about 1/8 keys.

The helms are even worse.

I have ran on average two or three vet pledges everyday since the update. Some days I've run 10. I have gotten two v16 helms. And wouldn't you know when I helped a low level friend on vet 2 two nights in a row I got two more. I literally have run 25/30 ver dungeons since my last helm drop. This is not in line with the supposed percentage. It's taking a lot of the fun that was left in running these things out of it.

Zilch

tist wrote: »

I stopped doing them after a week straight of Rubedite junk. They should allow you to purchase a random undaunted piece after 3 gold keys. Or a specific piece with 10

They could up it to 50-100 gold keys for a specific piece for all I care. At least I would be guaranteed the piece I wanted in the long run. People could gamble if they feel lucky, but a way to be guaranteed an item, with X amount of keys would be a very nice change.

Flaminir

Nighn_9 wrote: »

Flaminir wrote: »

In the next update there will be a 50% chance to get a chapter of the new Mercenary motif in a silver chest, and a 60% chance in a gold chest.

There you go... moar lootz!

how do u know this?

Here you go:

MSchroeder wrote: »

There’s been a lot of discussion about the Mercenary motif since it appeared on the PTS yesterday, and we’d like to clear up some misconceptions and answer some questions.

First, we’ve seen your concerns about the time and effort it’s going to take to obtain all the chapters of the motif. We’re aware that some of you feel that the other recently-released motifs are too grueling to get, so we wanted Mercenary to be more easily obtained. Bronze chests will drop a chapter 40% of the time; Silver chests, 50% of the time; Gold chests, 60% of the time.

We’ve also seen some confusion when we say that the Laurels (the style item required to craft a piece of gear in the Mercenary style) are Bind on Pickup. To be clear, when we say ‘Bind on Pickup’, we mean it binds to your account, not your character. This means that any of your characters can earn a Laurel, bank it, and let any of your other characters use it.

Finally, we’ve seen lots of talk about how the Laurels will only drop for characters who know at least one chapter of the style. One thing we didn’t mention in the patch notes, however, is that this is not a simple 0%-100% scale – while knowing zero chapters of the style does mean you won’t ever see a Laurel, having just one chapter means that final bosses from Veteran Dungeon will have a 50% chance to drop a Laurel for you. From there, it scales up linearly to 100% (approx. +4% per chapter). Note that the drop rate of Laurels from final bosses in Normal Dungeons Laurel is always 1/4th of their Veteran counterparts.

If you’re concerned that you now have to get your crafting character suited up and ready for dungeons, consider this: With just one chapter under your belt – likely obtained after only a day’s worth of Pledges – your most Undaunted character will be getting a Laurel about every other run through a Veteran Dungeon.