Shieldbreaker! :)

olsborg

Yea you tought it would be another nerf thread.

Seriously I love this set. I recieve QQ everyday from sorcerors (but also other classes who uses healward) saying im a noob and I dont have any selfrespect using such a polarizing set etc. But tbh, all these sorcs fail to adapt, they still only have one heal slotted, namely healing ward. They slot 3x shields and expect to still be near unkillable (until stamina is out). Some even slot a heal, but they get so caught up in the spamming of this heal that they dont shield anymore, leaving their 7 light armored behind free for the burst. Yea I can partially agree that this set is too polarizing, but that is only if more then 1 ppl are using this set against you, in wich case you should be in trouble anyway, regardless of the presence of shieldbreaker or not.

I love this set. In some degree, it removes the OPness of shieldstacking. These people are now taking hits to their hp, and they (most of them) still cant deal with it properly. I have a sorc, played it exclusively up until a few months ago, shieldstacking is such bs. Im now mainly playing a stamina build, because its different and alot of fun.

Malmai

Its not op shield stacking is specially with CP points players have, and yes you sacrifice your build to counter sorcs...

Asmael

Question 1) Do you play stam NB?

Question 1)a) If the answer is yes, a set gets out that deals 2k unresistable damage to all cloaking users within 20 meters every 2 seconds (and uncloaks you at the same time), would you support this?

Question 2) Are you sure shield stacking is OP, isn't it shield SPAMMING?

Question 3) What do you think about making shields crit-able while tweaking shield breaker to increase damage against shields instead?

Question 4) Did you actually get to face 2 or 3 shield breaker users at once with a sorc solo, and win?

I might have other questions, but that's a good start.

Dracane

You have no skill, since all you do is spamming light attacks.
It's a cheap tactic, and a cheap mechanic. Shieldbreaker should deal good additional damage against shields, but not fully penetrate them. I agree, that things like healing ward spam are absolutely broken, it annoys me too. But the way this set is working, is just wrong in my opinion.

The most laughable thing about this set.... I know maaaany people who see me and then quickly slot shieldbreaker. Or they get killed and come back with shieldbreaker. Seems to me that every stamina nightblade has this set backup. Showing even more, how noobish and broken this set is. It's not okay, that Sorcerer is forced to use healing staff. I want build diversity, but it's not possible. All Magicka Sorcerers are FORCED to use healing staff now, even more than before. Zenimax, please reconsider. Let shieldbreaker deal high damage, but not irresistable.

Malmai wrote: »

Its not op shield stacking is specially with CP points players have, and yes you sacrifice your build to counter sorcs...

You sacrifise 1 setpiece..... 2-4 set traits of this set are awesome for stamina builds and not only Sorc use shields. I don't really think, this set is that big of a sacrifise. Not at all actually

F7sus4

I'd actually support making Minor/Major Shield buff instead of how shields are stacking at this moment and remove Shieldbreaker set from the game completely.

Vangy

Make shields crittable, dottable, and basically function the same as hp. Make shield breaker do x amount of extra damage to shields. Prevent insane shield spamming. Gg Wp problem solved.

Why does everything in this game have to be so convoluted. Making shields immune to crit and dots means zeni needs to think of other ways (not a good idea to make them do extra work. They seem to love to make things worse... Just look at shield breaker) to solve the problem brought about by weird mechanics in the first place.

DannyLV702

Make shield breaker require fully charged heavy attacks

Brrrofski

If it was melee only it wouldn't bother me. Easy to counter.

It's the bow light attack spammers that are the issue.

10k unresistable damage in 2-3 seconds from range is just ridiculous.

Nivzruo_ESO

Vangy wrote: »

Make shields crittable, dottable, and basically function the same as hp. Make shield breaker do x amount of extra damage to shields. Prevent insane shield spamming. Gg Wp problem solved.

Why does everything in this game have to be so convoluted. Making shields immune to crit and dots means zeni needs to think of other ways (not a good idea to make them do extra work. They seem to love to make things worse... Just look at shield breaker) to solve the problem brought about by weird mechanics in the first place.

This ^ .. make them crittable, I thought you could at least dot them thou idk.

ku5h

Dracane wrote: »

You have no skill, since all you do is spamming light attacks.
It's a cheap tactic, and a cheap mechanic. Shieldbreaker should deal good additional damage against shields, but not fully penetrate them. I agree, that things like healing ward spam are absolutely broken, it annoys me too. But the way this set is working, is just wrong in my opinion.

The most laughable thing about this set.... I know maaaany people who see me and then quickly slot shieldbreaker. Or they get killed and come back with shieldbreaker. Seems to me that every stamina nightblade has this set backup. Showing even more, how noobish and broken this set is. It's not okay, that Sorcerer is forced to use healing staff. I want build diversity, but it's not possible. All Magicka Sorcerers are FORCED to use healing staff now, even more than before. Zenimax, please reconsider. Let shieldbreaker deal high damage, but not irresistable.

Malmai wrote: »

Its not op shield stacking is specially with CP points players have, and yes you sacrifice your build to counter sorcs...

You sacrifise 1 setpiece..... 2-4 set traits of this set are awesome for stamina builds and not only Sorc use shields. I don't really think, this set is that big of a sacrifise. Not at all actually

First off, if you die to LA spam, you should really look at your skill first. If you cant CC burst ppl with your magica sorc, again look at yourself...
You have to use resto staff!? Omg its end of days, now you actually can take HP dmg, nerf it immediately...
What about my magica Nb having to use resto staff? You think NBs love to use resto staff? No we dont, but we dont cry about it since we are used to "having to compromise", unlike sorc, who are used to just drop couple of shields, and good to go... Stop crying and learn to deal with it...

P.S. I dont use this set personaly, but cant stand all this sorc tears about this set.. They finally have to rearange their build to survive, and now its all tears...By the way, talked to may sorcs in game, and most of them lol at this set, telling me you have to be really bad to die to it in 1v1 situations.

olsborg

The few 1v1 my stamina build with shieldbreaker has had against sorcs or other shieldspammers, has been rly nice, I use shieldbreaker as the final executioner with maybe 2-3 light attack weaves to get them dead if they dont have other healing....cause when they are 10% hp, they have around 20k shield

Sav72

I have watched Shield spamming Sorcerer's destroying groups over and over again, and getting away in full health.

I tried talking and suggestion fixes on forums and Sorcerer's response back to me was, and I quote "L2P"

Therefore, It gives me great joy and happiness to respond back about Shield Breaker........



L2P!

Dracane

ku5h wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

You have no skill, since all you do is spamming light attacks.
It's a cheap tactic, and a cheap mechanic. Shieldbreaker should deal good additional damage against shields, but not fully penetrate them. I agree, that things like healing ward spam are absolutely broken, it annoys me too. But the way this set is working, is just wrong in my opinion.

The most laughable thing about this set.... I know maaaany people who see me and then quickly slot shieldbreaker. Or they get killed and come back with shieldbreaker. Seems to me that every stamina nightblade has this set backup. Showing even more, how noobish and broken this set is. It's not okay, that Sorcerer is forced to use healing staff. I want build diversity, but it's not possible. All Magicka Sorcerers are FORCED to use healing staff now, even more than before. Zenimax, please reconsider. Let shieldbreaker deal high damage, but not irresistable.

Malmai wrote: »

Its not op shield stacking is specially with CP points players have, and yes you sacrifice your build to counter sorcs...

You sacrifise 1 setpiece..... 2-4 set traits of this set are awesome for stamina builds and not only Sorc use shields. I don't really think, this set is that big of a sacrifise. Not at all actually

First off, if you die to LA spam, you should really look at your skill first. If you cant CC burst ppl with your magica sorc, again look at yourself...
You have to use resto staff!? Omg its end of days, now you actually can take HP dmg, nerf it immediately...
What about my magica Nb having to use resto staff? You think NBs love to use resto staff? No we dont, but we dont cry about it since we are used to "having to compromise", unlike sorc, who are used to just drop couple of shields, and good to go... Stop crying and learn to deal with it...

P.S. I dont use this set personaly, but cant stand all this sorc tears about this set.. They finally have to rearange their build to survive, and now its all tears...By the way, talked to may sorcs in game, and most of them lol at this set, telling me you have to be really bad to die to it in 1v1 situations.

It always depends on the person who wields it.
There are bad shieldbreakers, too stupid to break CC, too stupid to dodge roll and no self heal.
But good shieldbreakers are a threat even in 1v1. It's impossible to burst down a slippery nightblade in such a short time.
Everyone can mess up. But when I cc them, they will break free before I can focus enough damage on them and then they instantly roll dodge.

All I want to say, is that you will not burst down a good player that easily, especially with the increased TTK.
I think, the way shieldbreaker is working is not fair and shouldn't have been added to the game. High damage against shields is good and actually describes this sets name better.

Ryuho

Vangy wrote: »

Make shields crittable, dottable, and basically function the same as hp. Make shield breaker do x amount of extra damage to shields. Prevent insane shield spamming. Gg Wp problem solved.

Why does everything in this game have to be so convoluted. Making shields immune to crit and dots means zeni needs to think of other ways (not a good idea to make them do extra work. They seem to love to make things worse... Just look at shield breaker) to solve the problem brought about by weird mechanics in the first place.

I agree with @Vangy Make shields crittable, dottable, make them work as extra HP pool. Still they would work great, and at the same time shieldbreaker could be removed or adjusted.. But till something like that is implemented, shieldbreaker must stay! Die filthy shieldstackers..

Dracane

Ryuho wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Make shields crittable, dottable, and basically function the same as hp. Make shield breaker do x amount of extra damage to shields. Prevent insane shield spamming. Gg Wp problem solved.

Why does everything in this game have to be so convoluted. Making shields immune to crit and dots means zeni needs to think of other ways (not a good idea to make them do extra work. They seem to love to make things worse... Just look at shield breaker) to solve the problem brought about by weird mechanics in the first place.

I agree with @Vangy Make shields crittable, dottable, make them work as extra HP pool. Still they would work great, and at the same time shieldbreaker could be removed or adjusted.. But till something like that is implemented, shieldbreaker must stay! Die filthy shieldstackers..

DoTs already work on shields now

Johngo0036

I actually tried shield breaker on my Nb and decided it was not worth using as i lose a load of Damage....

I honestly feel that it may not be the best solution to the problem.. like sticking a band aid on a bullet wound...

But with sorcs running around stacking every shield they can(not pointing fingers) but in lite armour you need them)
I have a sorc and hate playing her as every few seconds i need to refresh my shield..

I prefer playing on my NB, WITHOUT shield breaker..

Mojomonkeyman

olsborg wrote: »

Yea you tought it would be another nerf thread.

Seriously I love this set. I recieve QQ everyday from sorcerors (but also other classes who uses healward) saying im a noob and I dont have any selfrespect using such a polarizing set etc. But tbh, all these sorcs fail to adapt, they still only have one heal slotted, namely healing ward. They slot 3x shields and expect to still be near unkillable (until stamina is out). Some even slot a heal, but they get so caught up in the spamming of this heal that they dont shield anymore, leaving their 7 light armored behind free for the burst. Yea I can partially agree that this set is too polarizing, but that is only if more then 1 ppl are using this set against you, in wich case you should be in trouble anyway, regardless of the presence of shieldbreaker or not.

I love this set. In some degree, it removes the OPness of shieldstacking. These people are now taking hits to their hp, and they (most of them) still cant deal with it properly. I have a sorc, played it exclusively up until a few months ago, shieldstacking is such bs. Im now mainly playing a stamina build, because its different and alot of fun.

I feel the opposite. I always had the impression my fights (stam sorc) vs mag sorcs are somewhat equal. With shield breaker on it feels like I am cheating - means it gets considerably easier, to the point where I can effortlessly put enormous amounts of pressure on my opponent even in melee without doing "more".

It shifts balance and momentum, because it is faaaaar more difficult for my opponent to recover from my effortless SB powered pressure than to apply it.

Balance usually (in successful pvp games) measures the difficulty of applying an action versus the difficulty of countering that action. That`s so far off here, it`s almost a joke.

BalticBlues

The SB set breaks the game rules for NBs by
turning a positive skill (shield) into a negative damage amplifier.

I will never understand how a game designer knowingly breaks his game like that.
Even helping noob players by an OP set is no excuse for breaking game rules.

If there would be a similar Cloak Breaker set against NBs,
turning a positive skill (cloak) into a negative damage amplifier, this forum would burn.

Dracane

BalticBlues wrote: »

The SB set breaks the game rules by
turning a positive skill (shield) into a negative damage amplifier.

I will never understand how a game designer knowingly breaks his game like that.
Even helping noob players by an OP set is no excuse.

If there would be a similar Cloak Breaker set
turning a positive skill (cloak) into a negative damage amplifier, this forum would burn.

Exactly. You get punished for protecting yourself. Shields do not make you invisible, they don't block CC. They simply absorb damage and are only effective, if you use light armor, because they are freaking expensive otherwise. 1 right placed CC and a damage shield user is dead.

I can only repeat myself, shieldbreaker should never totally bypass shields. Now where they've made beams blockable AND dodgeable, they should get rid of irrestiable things like these entirely. Shield breaker needs to deal extra damage on shields, but not totally bypass them, that's unfair and broken. Shields have become much weaker and unreliable with this update, they don't need a counter set that is working this way.

Sav72

L2P...

kevlarto_ESO

Dracane wrote: »

You have no skill, since all you do is spamming light attacks.
It's a cheap tactic, and a cheap mechanic. Shieldbreaker should deal good additional damage against shields, but not fully penetrate them. I agree, that things like healing ward spam are absolutely broken, it annoys me too. But the way this set is working, is just wrong in my opinion.

The most laughable thing about this set.... I know maaaany people who see me and then quickly slot shieldbreaker. Or they get killed and come back with shieldbreaker. Seems to me that every stamina nightblade has this set backup. Showing even more, how noobish and broken this set is. It's not okay, that Sorcerer is forced to use healing staff. I want build diversity, but it's not possible. All Magicka Sorcerers are FORCED to use healing staff now, even more than before. Zenimax, please reconsider. Let shieldbreaker deal high damage, but not irresistable.

Malmai wrote: »

Its not op shield stacking is specially with CP points players have, and yes you sacrifice your build to counter sorcs...

You sacrifise 1 setpiece..... 2-4 set traits of this set are awesome for stamina builds and not only Sorc use shields. I don't really think, this set is that big of a sacrifise. Not at all actually

Lets see how is there any difference in spamming, steel tornado, spamming ambush, spamming crystal frags, spamming lava whip, spamming light attacks with overload, spamming biting jabs, the amount of friggin hypocrisy is off the hook, I see no skill in doing any of the listed spams. /shrug

Dracane

Sav72 wrote: »

L2P...

Learn to be respectfull.

Dracane

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

You have no skill, since all you do is spamming light attacks.
It's a cheap tactic, and a cheap mechanic. Shieldbreaker should deal good additional damage against shields, but not fully penetrate them. I agree, that things like healing ward spam are absolutely broken, it annoys me too. But the way this set is working, is just wrong in my opinion.

The most laughable thing about this set.... I know maaaany people who see me and then quickly slot shieldbreaker. Or they get killed and come back with shieldbreaker. Seems to me that every stamina nightblade has this set backup. Showing even more, how noobish and broken this set is. It's not okay, that Sorcerer is forced to use healing staff. I want build diversity, but it's not possible. All Magicka Sorcerers are FORCED to use healing staff now, even more than before. Zenimax, please reconsider. Let shieldbreaker deal high damage, but not irresistable.

Malmai wrote: »

Its not op shield stacking is specially with CP points players have, and yes you sacrifice your build to counter sorcs...

You sacrifise 1 setpiece..... 2-4 set traits of this set are awesome for stamina builds and not only Sorc use shields. I don't really think, this set is that big of a sacrifise. Not at all actually

Lets see how is there any difference in spamming, steel tornado, spamming ambush, spamming crystal frags, spamming lava whip, spamming light attacks with overload, spamming biting jabs, the amount of friggin hypocrisy is off the hook, I see no skill in doing any of the listed spams. /shrug

Because spamming light attacks, normally is weak. Because all of these skills cost something and require a slot on your bar. Light attacks don't require anything, are fast and free. That's the difference and that's why spamming light attacks with this set is just cheap and unskilled.

G0ku

Sav72 wrote: »

I have watched Shield spamming Sorcerer's destroying groups over and over again, and getting away in full health.

I tried talking and suggestion fixes on forums and Sorcerer's response back to me was, and I quote "L2P"

Therefore, It gives me great joy and happiness to respond back about Shield Breaker........

L2P!

as much as I think they should´ve come with a more elegant counter to shield spamming, this is true and funny at the same time

Dracane wrote: »

Sav72 wrote: »

L2P...

Learn to be respectfull.

reread your posting before then try again

zornyan

Dracane wrote: »

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

You have no skill, since all you do is spamming light attacks.
It's a cheap tactic, and a cheap mechanic. Shieldbreaker should deal good additional damage against shields, but not fully penetrate them. I agree, that things like healing ward spam are absolutely broken, it annoys me too. But the way this set is working, is just wrong in my opinion.

The most laughable thing about this set.... I know maaaany people who see me and then quickly slot shieldbreaker. Or they get killed and come back with shieldbreaker. Seems to me that every stamina nightblade has this set backup. Showing even more, how noobish and broken this set is. It's not okay, that Sorcerer is forced to use healing staff. I want build diversity, but it's not possible. All Magicka Sorcerers are FORCED to use healing staff now, even more than before. Zenimax, please reconsider. Let shieldbreaker deal high damage, but not irresistable.

Malmai wrote: »

Its not op shield stacking is specially with CP points players have, and yes you sacrifice your build to counter sorcs...

You sacrifise 1 setpiece..... 2-4 set traits of this set are awesome for stamina builds and not only Sorc use shields. I don't really think, this set is that big of a sacrifise. Not at all actually

Lets see how is there any difference in spamming, steel tornado, spamming ambush, spamming crystal frags, spamming lava whip, spamming light attacks with overload, spamming biting jabs, the amount of friggin hypocrisy is off the hook, I see no skill in doing any of the listed spams. /shrug

Because spamming light attacks, normally is weak. Because all of these skills cost something and require a slot on your bar. Light attacks don't require anything, are fast and free. That's the difference and that's why spamming light attacks with this set is just cheap and unskilled.

Except by using shield breaker they are giving up a huge amount of dps against anyone not using a shield...

G0ku

the first time I used shieldbreaker I went into the first battle after 5 minutes and was insulted so hard by a sorc after the fight that I used the report function ingame after a long long time again...

and yea, I´m one of those who got this in inventory as a backup set -> for IC when I do some daily and some annoying shielded misfit is bothering me over and over again although I don´t give TV or AP anymore.

If I quest I rush through not caring for TV or other players - but from time to time there is a sorc who seems to have the "kill enemy nightblades" quest. That´s the time when shieldbreaker shines...

And btw, good sorcs still manage to kill me. But many of these guys of which I thought they were good players in open pvp prepatch can´t seem to adapt. maybe they weren´t that good before?

Dracane

G0ku wrote: »

Sav72 wrote: »

I have watched Shield spamming Sorcerer's destroying groups over and over again, and getting away in full health.

I tried talking and suggestion fixes on forums and Sorcerer's response back to me was, and I quote "L2P"

Therefore, It gives me great joy and happiness to respond back about Shield Breaker........

L2P!

as much as I think they should´ve come with a more elegant counter to shield spamming, this is true and funny at the same time

Dracane wrote: »

Sav72 wrote: »

L2P...

Learn to be respectfull.

reread your posting before then try again

Done. Nothing has changed though

Sav72

@Dracane

Dracane wrote: »

Sav72 wrote: »

L2P...

Learn to be respectful.

Ooohhh!!! now, because you Sorcerer are in the shoes of everyone else, I have to learn to be respectful?

I was just quoting what you Sorcerers would reply too, when I was posting about Shields being addressed.

Now that you are in the loop....


L2P!


/ahh.... this feels good

Dracane

Sav72 wrote: »

@Dracane

Dracane wrote: »

Sav72 wrote: »

L2P...

Learn to be respectful.

Ooohhh!!! now, because you Sorcerer are in the shoes of everyone else, I have to learn to be respectful?

I was just quoting what you Sorcerers would reply too, when I was posting about Shields being addressed.

Now that you are in the loop....


L2P!


/ahh.... this feels good

No.

These L2P quotes are disrespectfull, that's all. If these Sorcs do the same, then they are just as bad.
People like you come by and write nothing but L2P right in the face of people.

You have no idea, if a person is a skilled player or not. Maybe you're not even that skilled yourself.
I would highly recommend avoiding such "arguments".
I myself don't tell people L2P only because they disagree with me or because they come up with (mostly even justified) complains.

Sav72

Dracane wrote: »

Sav72 wrote: »

@Dracane

Dracane wrote: »

Sav72 wrote: »

L2P...

Learn to be respectful.

Ooohhh!!! now, because you Sorcerer are in the shoes of everyone else, I have to learn to be respectful?

I was just quoting what you Sorcerers would reply too, when I was posting about Shields being addressed.

Now that you are in the loop....


L2P!


/ahh.... this feels good

No.

These L2P quotes are disrespectfull, that's all. If these Sorcs do the same, then they are just as bad.
People like you come by and write nothing but L2P right in the face of people.

You have no idea, if a person is a skilled player or not. Maybe you're not even that skilled yourself.
I would highly recommend avoiding such "arguments".
I myself don't tell people L2P only because they disagree with me or because they come up with (mostly even justified) complains.

I am 100% with you on this and TOTALLY agree!!!

But......


L2P

Dracane

Sav72 wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Sav72 wrote: »

@Dracane

Dracane wrote: »

Sav72 wrote: »

L2P...

Learn to be respectful.

Ooohhh!!! now, because you Sorcerer are in the shoes of everyone else, I have to learn to be respectful?

I was just quoting what you Sorcerers would reply too, when I was posting about Shields being addressed.

Now that you are in the loop....


L2P!


/ahh.... this feels good

No.

These L2P quotes are disrespectfull, that's all. If these Sorcs do the same, then they are just as bad.
People like you come by and write nothing but L2P right in the face of people.

You have no idea, if a person is a skilled player or not. Maybe you're not even that skilled yourself.
I would highly recommend avoiding such "arguments".
I myself don't tell people L2P only because they disagree with me or because they come up with (mostly even justified) complains.

I am 100% with you on this and TOTALLY agree!!!

But......


L2P

Unbelieveable....
You are outragous. If you want, we can meet in game and I show you, who needs to learn some lessons kiss kiss, lick lick.