[Video] so i made a dk

Shelgon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5EQaHp87Mk


and I absolutely love it.

wrecking blow spam is for chumps

All I need is vigor and I'm pretty much set.

Maulkin

Stamina DKs are beasts. No one is doubting that. It's the magicka variety that is struggling with lack of burst, a good magicka gap closer and some decent non-resto heals. Stamina DK has all of the above and is very fun to play.

Enjoy your DK

Shelgon

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Stamina DKs are beasts. No one is doubting that. It's the magicka variety that is struggling with lack of burst, a good magicka gap closer and some decent non-resto heals. Stamina DK has all of the above and is very fun to play.

Enjoy your DK

I said nothing about stamina or magicka dk's nor was i trying to disprove those dissatisfied with the magicka dk in the current patch, i was just showcasing the fact that I made a dk ̶c̶u̶z̶ ̶i̶m̶ ̶a̶c̶t̶u̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ ̶p̶r̶e̶t̶t̶y̶ ̶i̶n̶s̶e̶c̶u̶r̶e̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶i̶ ̶n̶e̶e̶d̶ ̶o̶t̶h̶e̶r̶s̶ ̶a̶p̶p̶r̶o̶v̶a̶l̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶m̶y̶ ̶a̶c̶t̶i̶o̶n̶s̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶i̶ ̶w̶a̶n̶t̶ ̶p̶e̶o̶p̶l̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶b̶e̶ ̶d̶i̶s̶a̶p̶p̶o̶i̶n̶t̶e̶d̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶m̶e̶ ̶b̶e̶c̶a̶u̶s̶e̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶c̶o̶m̶p̶l̶e̶x̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶b̶l̶e̶m̶s̶ ̶i̶ ̶s̶u̶f̶f̶e̶r̶e̶d̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶a̶ ̶c̶h̶i̶l̶d̶

Galalin

Shelgon wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Stamina DKs are beasts. No one is doubting that. It's the magicka variety that is struggling with lack of burst, a good magicka gap closer and some decent non-resto heals. Stamina DK has all of the above and is very fun to play.

Enjoy your DK

I said nothing about stamina or magicka dk's nor was i trying to disprove those dissatisfied with the magicka dk in the current patch, i was just showcasing the fact that I made a dk ̶c̶u̶z̶ ̶i̶m̶ ̶a̶c̶t̶u̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ ̶p̶r̶e̶t̶t̶y̶ ̶i̶n̶s̶e̶c̶u̶r̶e̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶i̶ ̶n̶e̶e̶d̶ ̶o̶t̶h̶e̶r̶s̶ ̶a̶p̶p̶r̶o̶v̶a̶l̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶m̶y̶ ̶a̶c̶t̶i̶o̶n̶s̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶i̶ ̶w̶a̶n̶t̶ ̶p̶e̶o̶p̶l̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶b̶e̶ ̶d̶i̶s̶a̶p̶p̶o̶i̶n̶t̶e̶d̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶m̶e̶ ̶b̶e̶c̶a̶u̶s̶e̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶c̶o̶m̶p̶l̶e̶x̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶b̶l̶e̶m̶s̶ ̶i̶ ̶s̶u̶f̶f̶e̶r̶e̶d̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶a̶ ̶c̶h̶i̶l̶d̶

In that case nice RUN v X vid bro

DK SCRUB OUT

Shelgon

Galalin wrote: »

Shelgon wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Stamina DKs are beasts. No one is doubting that. It's the magicka variety that is struggling with lack of burst, a good magicka gap closer and some decent non-resto heals. Stamina DK has all of the above and is very fun to play.

Enjoy your DK

I said nothing about stamina or magicka dk's nor was i trying to disprove those dissatisfied with the magicka dk in the current patch, i was just showcasing the fact that I made a dk ̶c̶u̶z̶ ̶i̶m̶ ̶a̶c̶t̶u̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ ̶p̶r̶e̶t̶t̶y̶ ̶i̶n̶s̶e̶c̶u̶r̶e̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶i̶ ̶n̶e̶e̶d̶ ̶o̶t̶h̶e̶r̶s̶ ̶a̶p̶p̶r̶o̶v̶a̶l̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶m̶y̶ ̶a̶c̶t̶i̶o̶n̶s̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶i̶ ̶w̶a̶n̶t̶ ̶p̶e̶o̶p̶l̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶b̶e̶ ̶d̶i̶s̶a̶p̶p̶o̶i̶n̶t̶e̶d̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶m̶e̶ ̶b̶e̶c̶a̶u̶s̶e̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶c̶o̶m̶p̶l̶e̶x̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶b̶l̶e̶m̶s̶ ̶i̶ ̶s̶u̶f̶f̶e̶r̶e̶d̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶a̶ ̶c̶h̶i̶l̶d̶

In that case nice RUN v X vid bro

DK SCRUB OUT

RUN v X is best v X

reclaimervii.sierra117ub17_ESO

Wrekcing Blow is for low lives nice combo BUDDDAY :^()

Galalin

reclaimervii.sierra117ub17_ESO wrote: »

Wrekcing Blow is for low lives nice combo BUDDDAY :^()

Lol butt hurt much? Somebody got rolled over by WB...

DK SCRUB OUT

Alcast

Magicka DK 20k Heavy Attacks is not enough

But ye, lets end up all spamming instant skill abilities, much fun, much good.

Mainly bc ZOS pvp balance sucks making DoTs 100% useless + noncritable shields in pewpew

Derra

Alcast wrote: »

Magicka DK 20k Heavy Attacks is not enough

But ye, lets end up all spamming instant skill abilities, much fun, much good.

Mainly bc ZOS pvp balance sucks making DoTs 100% useless + noncritable shields in pewpew

Well critable shields would have to be readjusted in value. The problem with this would be:

Do you adjust the shields for someone with low or "normal" average crit chance? Then shieldusers would be steamrolled by ppl running really high critbuilds because they don´t have mitigation on shields and pretty much every build can oneshot a shield.
If you adjust them to combat high crit builds - well the low crit builds have the problem where they would be unable to break a shielduser. I think no mitigation no crit is a decent mechanic currently.

The problem is stacking multiple shields which sadly is not solveable without changing atleast three spells. Given zos past of lazy bandaid fixes we´ll never see non stackable shields and will instead get a new stamina ability to combat shields - because stamina builds need them in the firstplace...

babanovac

Thank you for having brought to our attention the WORST SONG EVER CREATED BY MAN!

Alcast

Derra wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Magicka DK 20k Heavy Attacks is not enough

But ye, lets end up all spamming instant skill abilities, much fun, much good.

Mainly bc ZOS pvp balance sucks making DoTs 100% useless + noncritable shields in pewpew

Well critable shields would have to be readjusted in value. The problem with this would be:

Do you adjust the shields for someone with low or "normal" average crit chance? Then shieldusers would be steamrolled by ppl running really high critbuilds because they don´t have mitigation on shields and pretty much every build can oneshot a shield.
If you adjust them to combat high crit builds - well the low crit builds have the problem where they would be unable to break a shielduser. I think no mitigation no crit is a decent mechanic currently.

The problem is stacking multiple shields which sadly is not solveable without changing atleast three spells. Given zos past of lazy bandaid fixes we´ll never see non stackable shields and will instead get a new stamina ability to combat shields - because stamina builds need them in the firstplace...

True, tho why dont they give shields an armor value? Not even sure why I keep asking myself questions, after all its ZOS..lol

ItsRejectz

Alcast wrote: »

Magicka DK 20k Heavy Attacks is not enough

But ye, lets end up all spamming instant skill abilities, much fun, much good.

Mainly bc ZOS pvp balance sucks making DoTs 100% useless + noncritable shields in pewpew

20k magika heavy attacks??? How the ##%k lol

Rylana

ItsRejectz wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Magicka DK 20k Heavy Attacks is not enough

But ye, lets end up all spamming instant skill abilities, much fun, much good.

Mainly bc ZOS pvp balance sucks making DoTs 100% useless + noncritable shields in pewpew

20k magika heavy attacks??? How the ##%k lol

build a DK like a spell damage/magicka sorc. literally light armor destro everything into magicka and spell damage, all champs into bless spell pen and theurma

molten armaments + entropy + fully charged heavy = 12k, 20k or so if it crits. (it can go over 40k vs low health NPCS and over 20k vs low health players on a crit)




All that being said, the build is extremely fragile, the true glass cannon, and is utterly trash outside of PvE DPS meter padding. Try that in PvP and youre going to have a bad time. Even if youre smart enough to use reflective scales to ensure you cant get it reflected back. Someones going to sneeze at you and kill you.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

Rylana wrote: »

ItsRejectz wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Magicka DK 20k Heavy Attacks is not enough

But ye, lets end up all spamming instant skill abilities, much fun, much good.

Mainly bc ZOS pvp balance sucks making DoTs 100% useless + noncritable shields in pewpew

20k magika heavy attacks??? How the ##%k lol

build a DK like a spell damage/magicka sorc. literally light armor destro everything into magicka and spell damage, all champs into bless spell pen and theurma

molten armaments + entropy + fully charged heavy = 12k, 20k or so if it crits. (it can go over 40k vs low health NPCS and over 20k vs low health players on a crit)




All that being said, the build is extremely fragile, the true glass cannon, and is utterly trash outside of PvE DPS meter padding. Try that in PvP and youre going to have a bad time. Even if youre smart enough to use reflective scales to ensure you cant get it reflected back. Someones going to sneeze at you and kill you.

Using the argument that it makes you a glass canon line doesn't work for Nightblades read any post about players being owned by glass canons. It will however get Battle Sprite changed to counter that build.

Maulkin

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

ItsRejectz wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Magicka DK 20k Heavy Attacks is not enough

But ye, lets end up all spamming instant skill abilities, much fun, much good.

Mainly bc ZOS pvp balance sucks making DoTs 100% useless + noncritable shields in pewpew

20k magika heavy attacks??? How the ##%k lol

build a DK like a spell damage/magicka sorc. literally light armor destro everything into magicka and spell damage, all champs into bless spell pen and theurma

molten armaments + entropy + fully charged heavy = 12k, 20k or so if it crits. (it can go over 40k vs low health NPCS and over 20k vs low health players on a crit)




All that being said, the build is extremely fragile, the true glass cannon, and is utterly trash outside of PvE DPS meter padding. Try that in PvP and youre going to have a bad time. Even if youre smart enough to use reflective scales to ensure you cant get it reflected back. Someones going to sneeze at you and kill you.

Using the argument that it makes you a glass canon line doesn't work for Nightblades read any post about players being owned by glass canons. It will however get Battle Sprite changed to counter that build.

This is a DK thread. No one mentioned NBs until now. NBs are different to DKs because they have 2 escape skills. DKs don't. Being a glass cannon magicka DK, you will absolutely get owned in PvP. Try it if you think otherwise.

Shelgon

Man, people like to turn things into an a heated discussion about game mechanics with anything that gets posted on the forums.

that being said

Alcast wrote: »

Magicka DK 20k Heavy Attacks is not enough

But ye, lets end up all spamming instant skill abilities, much fun, much good.

Mainly bc ZOS pvp balance sucks making DoTs 100% useless + noncritable shields in pewpew

my unstable flame dot hit mobs for about 2.8 - 4k a tick, on people around 1-3k, considering the amount of damage im packing with heavy attacks, it's a good thing to throw on them to drop their health/shields a little bit so my heavy attack can get some real damage going.

Rylana wrote: »

ItsRejectz wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Magicka DK 20k Heavy Attacks is not enough

But ye, lets end up all spamming instant skill abilities, much fun, much good.

Mainly bc ZOS pvp balance sucks making DoTs 100% useless + noncritable shields in pewpew

20k magika heavy attacks??? How the ##%k lol

build a DK like a spell damage/magicka sorc. literally light armor destro everything into magicka and spell damage, all champs into bless spell pen and theurma

molten armaments + entropy + fully charged heavy = 12k, 20k or so if it crits. (it can go over 40k vs low health NPCS and over 20k vs low health players on a crit)




All that being said, the build is extremely fragile, the true glass cannon, and is utterly trash outside of PvE DPS meter padding. Try that in PvP and youre going to have a bad time. Even if youre smart enough to use reflective scales to ensure you cant get it reflected back. Someones going to sneeze at you and kill you.

Dude, it's PvP, you have to build for damage and sustainability, of course you'd get rekt running that in pvp. And before someone says "Well you can run that on a NB or Sorc and get away with it." Yeah, you can, and you'd be an idiot for doing that. If you have escape, avoidance of damage, or mitigation of damage capabilities, you aren't a glass cannon, in the name of the build that is.

Having a Magicka NB glass cannon means running without cloak and concealed weapon on your bar, you're a sitting duck if someone gets to you, and you'll die instantly. Having a Sorc glass cannon means running with no streak or shields, which again, if someone gets to you, you'll die instantly.

Yeah sure, as a DK you can't run as high spell damage as them while not being glass cannon like they do, and I'm not saying that magicka DK's AREN'T getting the short end of the stick but that's their thing, they can pour their stats into one thing and get more out of it than DK's can, that's just how it is. DK's, especially magicka, and especially in PvP are always going to have more complex build setups than any other class, because that's just the way it is.

Do magicka DK's need a buff? In a decent amount of ways, yes. But should we be comparing them to other classes as much as we do? No, I used to compare my stam templar to NB's, asking why don't we have an insta-cast high damage ability like they do, but i got over that, built my crap for high damage, and wrecked with biting jabs and heavy attacks.

BigTone

Awesome video! I remember a few of those clips and they were so much fun

BigTone

Shelgon wrote: »

̶c̶u̶z̶ ̶i̶m̶ ̶a̶c̶t̶u̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ ̶p̶r̶e̶t̶t̶y̶ ̶i̶n̶s̶e̶c̶u̶r̶e̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶i̶ ̶n̶e̶e̶d̶ ̶o̶t̶h̶e̶r̶s̶ ̶a̶p̶p̶r̶o̶v̶a̶l̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶m̶y̶ ̶a̶c̶t̶i̶o̶n̶s̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶i̶ ̶w̶a̶n̶t̶ ̶p̶e̶o̶p̶l̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶b̶e̶ ̶d̶i̶s̶a̶p̶p̶o̶i̶n̶t̶e̶d̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶m̶e̶ ̶b̶e̶c̶a̶u̶s̶e̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶c̶o̶m̶p̶l̶e̶x̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶b̶l̶e̶m̶s̶ ̶i̶ ̶s̶u̶f̶f̶e̶r̶e̶d̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶a̶ ̶c̶h̶i̶l̶d̶

Best DK video ever!

OrphanHelgen

Funny part of the stamina dk are beast comments, when they have no stam buffs what so ever, besides minor brutality, witch everyone gets if you are close to a dk.
No regen bonus.
No stat bonus.
No utility and mobility.
No gapcloser.
No stam cc.

All skills are weapon skills witch get no buffs for being a dk.
And dont you dare blame the earthen heart for being strong, you would not even notice difference if it wasnt there, believe me.

Jules

Shelgon wrote: »

Having a Magicka NB glass cannon means running without cloak and concealed weapon on your bar, you're a sitting duck if someone gets to you, and you'll die instantly. Having a Sorc glass cannon means running with no streak or shields, which again, if someone gets to you, you'll die instantly.

This makes no sense to me at all. Idk how you figure this. Glass cannon doesn't mean "no escape". As a Magicka night blade, you would ofc run dark cloak and concealed weapon. As a Sorc, you would ofc run streak. Shields being debatable but still crucial imo.

Glass cannon means you do a lot of damage but you are fragile when people pressure you. It doesn't mean anything else.

Shelgon

Jules wrote: »

Shelgon wrote: »

Having a Magicka NB glass cannon means running without cloak and concealed weapon on your bar, you're a sitting duck if someone gets to you, and you'll die instantly. Having a Sorc glass cannon means running with no streak or shields, which again, if someone gets to you, you'll die instantly.

This makes no sense to me at all. Idk how you figure this. Glass cannon doesn't mean "no escape". As a Magicka night blade, you would ofc run dark cloak and concealed weapon. As a Sorc, you would ofc run streak. Shields being debatable but still crucial imo.

Glass cannon means you do a lot of damage but you are fragile when people pressure you. It doesn't mean anything else.

If people put pressure on a sorc, the sorc has shields and streak, and any sorc that knows what they are doing can handle most realistic amounts of pressure.

If people put pressure on a magicka NB, the NB has cloak and healing ward, and, like sorcs, any magicka NB that knows what they are doing can handle most realistic amounts of pressure.

And it's like you disregard everything I said in my post, a way to escape is a way to handle pressure, a way to mitigate damage is a way to handle pressure, and a way to avoid damage is a way to handle pressure, I never said "escape" was literally the only thing that makes something not a glass cannon, all things play into the build.