Does you/zenimax support the steel tornado/prox det/ healing springs spam

nordickittyhawk

Do you think zenimax should allow or support this steel tornado/impulse/healing springs/prox det spam. The 12 to 24 man or even 2 full groups of 48 complain about lag n fps issues when them selves are creating it... do you think that this should be stopped all togather or do you like breaking the servers and making solo play near impossible.

SleepyTroll

No i dont support this

I'm confused

NativeJoe

No i dont support this

Do you support the ZERG ZERG ZERG ZERG? basically

nordickittyhawk

No i dont support this

NativeJoe wrote: »

Do you support the ZERG ZERG ZERG ZERG? basically

@nativejoe i wrote this xD like really late where iam! so excuse the *** writing.

Lava_Croft

The question is moot. Game is marketed for large scale combat, the gameplay is designed for large scale combat.

The fact that it works so poorly is just a testament of ZOS' professional skills.

Wollust

The game might have been advertised for large scale combat, but we know it doesn't work. I'd love to have those huge battles with hundreds of players spread out in a keep fighting each other. If this was possible, it would be by far the best PVP game ever imo. But it doesn't work. ZoS fault? Completely. Players fault? Yes, if the players still try to make it happen, even though they know the servers crap themselves in the process, they are as much at fault as ZoS.

Lucky28

Yes i support this

I say i support it. I mean i don't think intentionally breaking the servers and causing them to lag out is a good thing. however, up against large groups what are you going to do?, not use AOE's to cause damage to as many as possible?, not use AOE heals to keep your group alive?.

BigTone

No i dont support this

I have no problem with large scale combat, it is what the game is designed for. The problem I have is the game has multiple advantages to stack on top of each other and spam skills. Players should fear standing on top of each other, not feel safety for it. Punish people for stacking within the same 10 foot radius of each other and you have a different game.

Shinra

Yes i support this

I say YES because biased poll is biased.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Yes i support this

I asked this question on ESO Live and the answer was "we want players to use these skills in this situation".

NativeJoe

No i dont support this

@Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO, @shinra, @lucky28, @levo18, @StevieKingslayer, @lonewolf26, @dwemer_paleologist , @felinith66

*****************************************Zos official response to lag*******************************************
ZOS_PaulSage
Hello everyone,

Our Cyrodiil performance is something we are very aware of. Performance drags when there are numerous players in the same place at the same time. This is why performance in Cyrodiil is fine for much of the day, but gets worse during more popular times. We are currently investigating ways in which we can reduce the spike of performance loss. We added in some features for Update 6 which we hoped would help, but ultimately did not. This is not a situation where we can just add more hardware. Player population in a given area hurts the performance and the more people that are in one area, the more performance is going to be hurt.

Actively, we are looking at changing the behavior of the players to remove incentives for large groups to stay in the same area. We want to do this by providing larger incentives for Alliances to split up and take on multiple-challenges in Cyrodiil. We’ll continue to work on this. We are also asked by players if there is anything they can do to help. In this situation, the best thing you can do is split off to different objectives when you notice performance going down. Cyrodiil is a big place with lots of different things to do. And thank you for asking.

ZOS_PaulSage
ZOS_PaulSage
Just to clarify. There seemed to be a misunderstanding that I was saying we are "giving up" or "blaming this on players." Absolutely not. We are looking at the issue from many angles. I certainly didn't mean to imply we couldn't or wouldn't change code to improve performance, but rather that the answer wasn't more hardware. (It is often suggested this is the best way to fix problems.) I also wasn't implying you shouldn't play naturally, but unfortunately it is true that more players right now in a smaller area causes the performance problems. I say this not to discourage behavior or try push off the issue, but rather to give completely frank information about the root cause.
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The simple answer is... stop zerging. it is not supported.

It's the damage calculations/graphics that are lagging out the server. If the top guilds simply informed their zerg base they will not be tolerating any AOE attacks and to switch to single target. the lag issues would be over. simple as that. Pugs and typical players arn't the one's causing the lag because they don't coordinate 10 meteor attacks in a row , or stack on top of eachother casting reviving barrier and war horn before they rush a keep.

It is a simple case of ethics. The pvp guilds need to support pvp for everyone, and not be screwing the rest of us.

SHADOW2KK

Point of this thread is?

Only time PvP will be lag free is when we all eventually leave.

cschwingeb14_ESO

No i dont support this

The simple answer is that players will continue to zergball as long as game mechanics support that play style. To fix mechanics:

1) Halve the base damage of Det, increase the damage bonus to 10% per target hit and have it triggers off of up to 12 target. Also, 12 target cap
2) Cut the target cap of Vigor, Purge, Barrier down to 4,4,6 respectively, but make sure that smart targeting is actually smart
3) Decrease the radius of Steel Tornado to 8m
4) Make siege deal high damage again. Uncap siege AE damage ( if it has a target cap)
5) Cut snare/root immunity on Rapid down to 4-6 seconds

mklundub17_ESO

No i dont support this

Need to reword your question. Do I support it? Not at all. Does Zenimax support it? Apparently they do, or are just too busy designing crown store junk than to actually invest any kind of time or money into the longevity of the PVP side of their game.

There would be a lot less complaining, and more players, if they developed competitive PVP combat with 4v4, 8v8, 12v12. Instead those interested in any sort of competitive PVP have to troll through cyrodiil zergs or the sewers and hope they stumble onto 1 or 2 good fights a night.

twistedmonk

The real issue with Cyrodiil is their game engine can't deliver what the designers want it to do...

Sharkano

The engine worked fine when the game came out. It's all the patches that have created the problems. We used to have hordes in the keep fights with no problems.

nordickittyhawk

No i dont support this

true u could have whole faction in a keep no problem with lag. once someone (n i hate person who found this out) said "hmm what if we all gather on one spot n spam so many things at once and stack making it near impossible to kill us"

Cathexis

No i dont support this

I have to say AoE zerging in my opinion has always taken the fun out of the game.

Blob vs blob has never been very tactical.

Its like any fps where you play a match where everyone has rocket launchers. Its just a shjt show.

_adhyffbjjjf12

No i dont support this

Lucky28 wrote: »

I say i support it. I mean i don't think intentionally breaking the servers and causing them to lag out is a good thing. however, up against large groups what are you going to do?, not use AOE's to cause damage to as many as possible?, not use AOE heals to keep your group alive?.

The question didn't refer to the solution.

zergballing aoe spam balls Ruins game play and is conducted by morons who thinks gameplay is about ap per hour. This has nothing to do with lag , although lag is another negative side effect.

Face a huge force with overwhelming numerical superiority is exciting and has tactics solutions. fighting against a group of morons who spam the like bots is neither fun or viable gameplay.

Digerati

I never have any FPS problems, even in gigantic zergfests... and ping issues, I doubt are caused by AoE spam.

There's an addon that automatically adjusts your graphics as needed for PvP... I don't use it but I'm recommending it to everyone whose system isn't handling the game properly.

Forestd16b14_ESO

No i dont support this

I don't support 3 button spam in general. Your not tough your nothing special if all you can do is hit 3 buttons your just a common exploiter abusing broken mechanics.

nordickittyhawk

No i dont support this

NativeJoe wrote: »

@Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO, @shinra, @lucky28, @levo18, @StevieKingslayer, @lonewolf26, @dwemer_paleologist , @felinith66

*****************************************Zos official response to lag*******************************************
ZOS_PaulSage
Hello everyone,

Our Cyrodiil performance is something we are very aware of. Performance drags when there are numerous players in the same place at the same time. This is why performance in Cyrodiil is fine for much of the day, but gets worse during more popular times. We are currently investigating ways in which we can reduce the spike of performance loss. We added in some features for Update 6 which we hoped would help, but ultimately did not. This is not a situation where we can just add more hardware. Player population in a given area hurts the performance and the more people that are in one area, the more performance is going to be hurt.

Actively, we are looking at changing the behavior of the players to remove incentives for large groups to stay in the same area. We want to do this by providing larger incentives for Alliances to split up and take on multiple-challenges in Cyrodiil. We’ll continue to work on this. We are also asked by players if there is anything they can do to help. In this situation, the best thing you can do is split off to different objectives when you notice performance going down. Cyrodiil is a big place with lots of different things to do. And thank you for asking.

ZOS_PaulSage
ZOS_PaulSage
Just to clarify. There seemed to be a misunderstanding that I was saying we are "giving up" or "blaming this on players." Absolutely not. We are looking at the issue from many angles. I certainly didn't mean to imply we couldn't or wouldn't change code to improve performance, but rather that the answer wasn't more hardware. (It is often suggested this is the best way to fix problems.) I also wasn't implying you shouldn't play naturally, but unfortunately it is true that more players right now in a smaller area causes the performance problems. I say this not to discourage behavior or try push off the issue, but rather to give completely frank information about the root cause.
****************************************************************************************************************

The simple answer is... stop zerging. it is not supported.

It's the damage calculations/graphics that are lagging out the server. If the top guilds simply informed their zerg base they will not be tolerating any AOE attacks and to switch to single target. the lag issues would be over. simple as that. Pugs and typical players arn't the one's causing the lag because they don't coordinate 10 meteor attacks in a row , or stack on top of eachother casting reviving barrier and war horn before they rush a keep.

It is a simple case of ethics. The pvp guilds need to support pvp for everyone, and not be screwing the rest of us.

@NativeJoe oh hey thanks man

Kas

No i dont support this

don't like that balling up provides safety. one shoudl have to avoid it.

however, mentioning prox det here is just ***. it's only used by groups to beat even bigger groups. the skill would be perfect if coordination and letting it explode near to each other was very powerful but also very dangerous because of some general danger coming from balling up.

imho oldschool daoc had the "punish balling up" thing down pretty well. it's solution was powerful AoE crowd control - that, by the way, couldn't be provided by (solo) stealthers. the option to break CC was very limitted.

either way, this ship has sailed for eso and the way CC works (unless one was to remake the entire combat system)

AtmaDarkwolf

hmm.. how about 'like effects do not stack' blanket rule. to any aoe skill. If player A casts tornado, player b, c, d, e, f, etc's tornadoes do NO DAMAGE

Same for any other aoe that has an effect.

This would go a long way to promote people splitting off and NOT stacking since then you would cover more ground.