What if everyone had 3600 CP

BugCollector

To do what you like with them.

JD2013

I would hate it

Why must everyone be equal?

Isbilen

We already tried this on the PTS before update 6. It was terrible.

Conquers

uh what? CP is for progression so this poll makes no sense

WaTeR-aBuSeR

I would love this

JD2013 wrote: »

Why must everyone be equal?

So we can tell who is better based on skill and not how long they've grinded. Plus the system just leads to people finding exploits, best farm spots( which get nerfed), and botting. Look at MOBAs, do you see people starting the game with more hp or gold or whatever than someone just because they've played more games. Nope because it is competitive. Gear is a big enough grind already dont need another one.

Edit: How about just for balance. Can't really balance a boss fight when one raid has 10% more dmg per person. If the game was about just completing the trial then it would just take them longer but nope gotta get on those leaderboards.

Fizzlewizzle

I would solo all Raids on my Templar.
Tried it before, but i didn't have access to my crafted gear on the PTS, so i wasn't optimalized.
Still got pretty far.

lolo_01b16_ESO

I would hate it

In my opinion there is allready not enough build diversity, why should you take away something that allows at least some creativity with builds.

JD2013

I would hate it

WaTeR-aBuSeR wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Why must everyone be equal?

So we can tell who is better based on skill and not how long they've grinded. Plus the system just leads to people finding exploits, best farm spots( which get nerfed), and botting. Look at MOBAs, do you see people starting the game with more hp or gold or whatever than someone just because they've played more games. Nope because it is competitive. Gear is a big enough grind already dont need another one.

Edit: How about just for balance. Can't really balance a boss fight when one raid has 10% more dmg per person. If the game was about just completing the trial then it would just take them longer but nope gotta get on those leaderboards.

Nope. Sorry. I completely disagree. And I say this as someone without a huge amount of CP's.

Levo18

I would love this

That would mean that pvp is all about skill and gear and not about Who has more CP aka no real life like it is right now.

Emma_Overload

It would suck if everyone had 3600 CP, because ZOS would re-balance all the PVE content to 3600 CP.

The most important benefit of the Champion System in PVE is the fact that content has to be balanced so that lowbies with less than 100 CP can still complete it. The side effect of this fact is that anyone can grind more CP to make themselves relatively more powerful, thus enabling them to complete content that they were previously struggling with.

SHADOW2KK

I would love this

WaTeR-aBuSeR wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Why must everyone be equal?

So we can tell who is better based on skill and not how long they've grinded. Plus the system just leads to people finding exploits, best farm spots( which get nerfed), and botting. Look at MOBAs, do you see people starting the game with more hp or gold or whatever than someone just because they've played more games. Nope because it is competitive. Gear is a big enough grind already dont need another one.

Edit: How about just for balance. Can't really balance a boss fight when one raid has 10% more dmg per person. If the game was about just completing the trial then it would just take them longer but nope gotta get on those leaderboards.

This^^

Gidorick

We will eventually be there.. without the cap it would be within the next year or so... with the cap we probably have a few years.

BugCollector

I would like this, but the CP grinders would have to get compensated for their efforts

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

In my opinion there is allready not enough build diversity, why should you take away something that allows at least some creativity with builds.

Not everybody would put the same CP in the same trees. So builds would still be diverse.

WaTeR-aBuSeR

I would love this

JD2013 wrote: »

WaTeR-aBuSeR wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Why must everyone be equal?

So we can tell who is better based on skill and not how long they've grinded. Plus the system just leads to people finding exploits, best farm spots( which get nerfed), and botting. Look at MOBAs, do you see people starting the game with more hp or gold or whatever than someone just because they've played more games. Nope because it is competitive. Gear is a big enough grind already dont need another one.

Edit: How about just for balance. Can't really balance a boss fight when one raid has 10% more dmg per person. If the game was about just completing the trial then it would just take them longer but nope gotta get on those leaderboards.

Nope. Sorry. I completely disagree. And I say this as someone without a huge amount of CP's.

I don't have many CPs either and I do just fine in PvP. Play a healing temp in groups and I don't get wrecked.

From purely a design standpoint though, it is impossible to balance PvE. Not just for competitive players, but for people who just want a challenge. All the hardcore people will qq game is too easy and those are the ones who usually play the game more thus more CPs. These are usually your more skilled players as well. So how can they design something that is hard for the hardcore base but doable for the casual. They try with vet mode dungeons and look how many players complain they are too hard. Add in more champ points and the divide just gets bigger and makes the issue worse.

Everyone having 3600 isn't the issue but some base amount to balance to like they are doing now. People said it when they came up with the whole play more get rewarded which is great for those who do it as intended. Not grinding/botting/exploiting to get that 1% more dmg advantage.

I'd be fine if they didn't cap it at all and say ok catch up time and balance the game around x points. I work 50-60 hours a week and can't legitimately grind as twitch streamers or w/e. I don't expect to have the same gear/cps they do either. I want the game to be fun and not hindered by casual or new players having to grind 50 hours just to be able to do a dungeon.

Kammakazi

JD2013 wrote: »

Why must everyone be equal?

Cause it's America.

hammayolettuce

I would hate it

3600 CP makes any char have the power you had when you kill molag at the end of your main story quest. It's stupid.

RizaHawkeye

I would hate it

No. NO. Why do we all have to be equal?

Look, I have less time than most to play this game. There are people who are much better at ESO than I am. They play more, they PvP more, and so they have a higher level and more Champion Points.

Maybe they live in their parents' basement or they're trust fund babies. Who knows? Who really cares? They get to play and they're better.

If you want to be that good, play more. If you want to do something else, do that.

It's called choices and priorities.

RatedChaotic

I would hate it

They cant even fix the broken skills and passives correctly.

driosketch

BugCollector wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

In my opinion there is allready not enough build diversity, why should you take away something that allows at least some creativity with builds.

Not everybody would put the same CP in the same trees. So builds would still be diverse.

3600 actually maxes all the trees, so yeah, no diversity.

Acrolas

Academic anti-capitalism creeping its way into video games.

NewBlacksmurf

I would hate it

I wouldn't like this at all....it would be best not in the game if this were the case.

vamp_emily

How about this:

- all have the same CP
- all get bumped to level V16
- all crafting maxed out
- all have the same skills
- all gear is free
- unlimited supply of crafting material
- unlimited bank space
- all have fast mounts

Did I miss something? Or maybe we can have a "I want everything now" server and also a "competitive" server.

[ shakes my head in disbelief ]

Hiero_Glyph

I would hate it

If everyone had 3,600 CP the game would be ruined. Imagine starting a new character and having 25% more damage, taking 25% less damage, having 25% more regen, etc. In terms of PvE all content would need to be rebalanced. For PvP it would actually be alright but come down to a DPS race since sustain is no longer an issue. Some builds may stop being competitive just because they lack any real DPS so in the end you have even less build variety. CP are an issue once you get over 1,200. Giving everyone 3,600 would be the end of the game as we know it (and not in a good way).

BlackEar

I would hate it

So you mean remove them?

DaveMoeDee

I would love this

Conquers wrote: »

uh what? CP is for progression so this poll makes no sense

The idea is making it NOT for progression, but for modifying your build. Of course, everyone would be full on everything so it doesn't make much sense. But it would be funny.

Makes the passives pretty stupid though if everyone gets the CP.

DaveMoeDee

I would love this

Acrolas wrote: »

Academic anti-capitalism creeping its way into video games.

What is the relevance of capitalism? There is no market for CP.

RAGUNAnoOne

Kammakazi wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Why must everyone be equal?

Cause it's America.

That is exactly why everyone is NOT equal, take a Sociology class they will tell you all you need to break that innocence .

BugCollector

I would like this, but the CP grinders would have to get compensated for their efforts

vamp_emily wrote: »

How about this:

- all have the same CP
- all get bumped to level V16
- all crafting maxed out
- all have the same skills
- all gear is free
- unlimited supply of crafting material
- unlimited bank space
- all have fast mounts

Did I miss something? Or maybe we can have a "I want everything now" server and also a "competitive" server.

[ shakes my head in disbelief ]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=VPRuL9ACZeM

dodgehopper_ESO

WaTeR-aBuSeR wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

WaTeR-aBuSeR wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Why must everyone be equal?

So we can tell who is better based on skill and not how long they've grinded. Plus the system just leads to people finding exploits, best farm spots( which get nerfed), and botting. Look at MOBAs, do you see people starting the game with more hp or gold or whatever than someone just because they've played more games. Nope because it is competitive. Gear is a big enough grind already dont need another one.

Edit: How about just for balance. Can't really balance a boss fight when one raid has 10% more dmg per person. If the game was about just completing the trial then it would just take them longer but nope gotta get on those leaderboards.

Nope. Sorry. I completely disagree. And I say this as someone without a huge amount of CP's.

I don't have many CPs either and I do just fine in PvP. Play a healing temp in groups and I don't get wrecked.

From purely a design standpoint though, it is impossible to balance PvE. Not just for competitive players, but for people who just want a challenge. All the hardcore people will qq game is too easy and those are the ones who usually play the game more thus more CPs. These are usually your more skilled players as well. So how can they design something that is hard for the hardcore base but doable for the casual. They try with vet mode dungeons and look how many players complain they are too hard. Add in more champ points and the divide just gets bigger and makes the issue worse.

Everyone having 3600 isn't the issue but some base amount to balance to like they are doing now. People said it when they came up with the whole play more get rewarded which is great for those who do it as intended. Not grinding/botting/exploiting to get that 1% more dmg advantage.

I'd be fine if they didn't cap it at all and say ok catch up time and balance the game around x points. I work 50-60 hours a week and can't legitimately grind as twitch streamers or w/e. I don't expect to have the same gear/cps they do either. I want the game to be fun and not hindered by casual or new players having to grind 50 hours just to be able to do a dungeon.

I think this is why they came up with the arena in Orsinium, so players have an opportunity to be challenged. I'm sure its not the ONLY challenge they've created but one in a list of many they have in mind.

jelliedsoup

JD2013 wrote: »

Why must everyone be equal?

Depends on your gamer politics really.

I imagine those who are more equal than others espouse this view.

jelliedsoup

JD2013 wrote: »

WaTeR-aBuSeR wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Why must everyone be equal?

So we can tell who is better based on skill and not how long they've grinded. Plus the system just leads to people finding exploits, best farm spots( which get nerfed), and botting. Look at MOBAs, do you see people starting the game with more hp or gold or whatever than someone just because they've played more games. Nope because it is competitive. Gear is a big enough grind already dont need another one.

Edit: How about just for balance. Can't really balance a boss fight when one raid has 10% more dmg per person. If the game was about just completing the trial then it would just take them longer but nope gotta get on those leaderboards.

Nope. Sorry. I completely disagree. And I say this as someone without a huge amount of CP's.

It would be useful to say why you disagree.