ESO isn't fun any more.

TastesAllColors

It just isn't. Someone with 1000+ CP can just walk all over you and there's not a damn thing you can do about it. Worse, ZOS doesn't seem to give a damn and their proposed "fix" won't really fix the imbalance.

briandivisionb16_ESO

AoE caps ruin it for me

Jura23

Group up.

PBpsy

Stuff yours give to me will you?

Tavore1138

Surely the proposed useable cap of 500 does just what you want?

People can have as many CP as they want but can only allocate 500 so no-one will be able to walk over you with 1,000+ CP any more.

What they can't fix and shouldn't fix is that people who play the game more will progress more - that is simply the nature of a game with progress systems. But they have made it so those with 1000+ CP can't use them all and those with low numbers will require less effort to earn them than those with more.

I'm not really sure what else they can reasonably be expected to do here?

AshTal

I agree with the original post having one person kill 20 doesn't seem right. However they have caused so many issues with imperial city with PvP they have a lot to sort out.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Imperial city wasn't a PvP update. We were duped. PvP is being discouraged. The more PvPers that leave, the more ZOS can make the argument to cater to PvE.

Alucardo

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Imperial city wasn't a PvP update. We were duped. PvP is being discouraged. The more PvPers that leave, the more ZOS can make the argument to cater to PvE.

You're right. Apparently Brian Wheeler actually quoted IC was never a PvP update. It was PvE but they just included the ability to PvP in there.

jelliedsoup

I fought this guy the other day who would take very low damage and he boasted to me sypher can't kill him.
He didn't move and just did the usual rotation of templar skills.

His gear and or cp meant he was a good player. His skill choices movement etc not so much.

If they want people to continue these stationary giants don't help keep people playing.

TastesAllColors

Alucardo wrote: »

It was PvE but they just included the ability to PvP in there.

Which has ruined it for PvE play because griefers can come in and make it impossible for you to do the PvE content. I don't mind getting ganked by someone if it is a fair fight. I really really don't. But in many cases it isn't a fair fight. You don't have a ghost of a chance even if you are v16 with v16 gear. You are completely outclassed.

Now, I used to go to Cyrodiil as a lowbie sub vet and kill lower ranked vets. I didn't stand much of a chance against vet 12's and later vet 14's but against lower ranked vets I could and did win fights. But this is completely different. It has a different "feel" to it. And no, I shouldn't have to group up. I can easily take on most MOBs. I don't object to group play and I don't object to zergs or to farming your opposing alliance. These are all legitimate mechanics of the game. And maybe the AoE cap should be revisited to improve game play. I don't know.

To be very clear, what I object to is a large imbalance that is based more on a players willingness to grind out hundreds of CP, over actual skill, that gives them an insurmountable advantage over others. IF ZOS remains true to their word and *permanently* caps CP at 501 then I think I would reconsider and take back everything I've said. But I am very skeptical they will keep the cap.

What kind of a game does ESO want to be? Does it want to be a Disney experience for everyone or a platform for professional combat? If they want both then they need to separate the two functions.

Jitterbug

jelliedsoup wrote: »

I fought this guy the other day who would take very low damage and he boasted to me sypher can't kill him.
He didn't move and just did the usual rotation of templar skills.

His gear and or cp meant he was a good player. His skill choices movement etc not so much.

If they want people to continue these stationary giants don't help keep people playing.

Sheliza (or whatever) the Unkillable rises again

Xendyn

Jitterbug wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

I fought this guy the other day who would take very low damage and he boasted to me sypher can't kill him.
He didn't move and just did the usual rotation of templar skills.

His gear and or cp meant he was a good player. His skill choices movement etc not so much.

If they want people to continue these stationary giants don't help keep people playing.

Sheliza (or whatever) the Unkillable rises again

Now you did it.
Bad threads are sometimes summoned by their names.

Yattaq

Alucardo wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Imperial city wasn't a PvP update. We were duped. PvP is being discouraged. The more PvPers that leave, the more ZOS can make the argument to cater to PvE.

You're right. Apparently Brian Wheeler actually quoted IC was never a PvP update. It was PvE but they just included the ability to PvP in there.

Where is that quote? Because I've read the exact opposite from dev posts.

UltimaJoe777

Yet another CP complaint thread despite a cap coming with Orsinium... Where is my "why should I give a damn about this thread" button?

Also if you think ESO itself is no longer fun because you got beaten by someone with "possibly" a lot of CP then you may need to expand on ways to play the game.

Orchish

I was always under the impression that the IC update was a PvP focused update. Since it was first announced as a PvPer i have been waiting for this update and what we got was more a PvE update than PvP. Now we will likely wait years again before PvP gets any real content. It's little wonder so many PvP players are leaving.

Tholian1

Orchish wrote: »

I was always under the impression that the IC update was a PvP focused update. Since it was first announced as a PvPer i have been waiting for this update and what we got was more a PvE update than PvP. Now we will likely wait years again before PvP gets any real content. It's little wonder so many PvP players are leaving.

I thought it was designed with gated access in mind to promote more PvP. Fighting in Cyrodiil for the privilege of having access. I guess player demands ruined what was originally envisioned for the zone.

Nifty2g

Not many people have 1k CP, stop blaming it on that.

G0ku

Tholian1 wrote: »

Orchish wrote: »

I was always under the impression that the IC update was a PvP focused update. Since it was first announced as a PvPer i have been waiting for this update and what we got was more a PvE update than PvP. Now we will likely wait years again before PvP gets any real content. It's little wonder so many PvP players are leaving.

I thought it was designed with gated access in mind to promote more PvP. Fighting in Cyrodiil for the privilege of having access. I guess player demands ruined what was originally envisioned for the zone.

No, ZOS ruined it, not player demands. If they wouldn´t have raised the VR´s and nerfed the spell- and weapon damage bonuses there would have been no massive player demand on getting their hands on the new stuff. Those who never wanted to pvp would never have gone there. But guess what, that would be bad for ZOS they needed the massive player demands to sell their stuff.

icontested

TastesAllColors wrote: »

It just isn't. Someone with 1000+ CP can just walk all over you and there's not a damn thing you can do about it. Worse, ZOS doesn't seem to give a damn and their proposed "fix" won't really fix the imbalance.

Colors are to be heard.. Not tasted.. THAT IS THE PROBLEM

thunderwell

If players could trade all their extra 100s of cp for gear, cosmetics, pets, mounts and consumables, that could potentially help alleviate all the "I grinded all these CPs for nothing" rage.
Assuming, there's going to be a permanent cap for traiting cps.

As I see it now, cp gives players of all skill levels an unfair advantage.
Of course, players that have been here longer should have better gear, but large boosts to their damage dealt and taking less damage is ubsurd.
PvP should be heavily player skill based, not so much stat based.
If CPs were disabled in PvP, I would be more willing to give it a try in ESO.
As it currently stands, I'm avoiding it altogether, as well as IC and subbing.

kurioskurion

Can I has all your stuff?

icontested

thunderwell wrote: »

If players could trade all their extra 100s of cp for gear, cosmetics, pets, mounts and consumables, that could potentially help alleviate all the "I grinded all these CPs for nothing" rage.
Assuming, there's going to be a permanent cap for traiting cps.

As I see it now, cp gives players of all skill levels an unfair advantage.
Of course, players that have been here longer should have better gear, but large boosts to their damage dealt and taking less damage is ubsurd.
PvP should be heavily player skill based, not so much stat based.
If CPs were disabled in PvP, I would be more willing to give it a try in ESO.
As it currently stands, I'm avoiding it altogether, as well as IC and subbing.

Trading 100 cp for an exclusive item is brilliant. At 300 cp you should be able to start trading

TastesAllColors

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Also if you think ESO itself is no longer fun because you got beaten by someone with "possibly" a lot of CP then you may need to expand on ways to play the game.

If that was what happened then I would have never complained about it. But it isn't what happened and I have made it clear what it is that I have a problem with. I DO NOT have a problem with getting beaten by a better player. In fact I love it when that happens because then there is something for me to learn or to set a goal toward achieving.

You seem to have completely misunderstood what I said. Please try again.

TastesAllColors

icontested wrote: »

TastesAllColors wrote: »

It just isn't. Someone with 1000+ CP can just walk all over you and there's not a damn thing you can do about it. Worse, ZOS doesn't seem to give a damn and their proposed "fix" won't really fix the imbalance.

Colors are to be heard.. Not tasted.. THAT IS THE PROBLEM

Um.... honey, that's not what my name is about. Think.... just a little.

icontested

TastesAllColors wrote: »

icontested wrote: »

TastesAllColors wrote: »

It just isn't. Someone with 1000+ CP can just walk all over you and there's not a damn thing you can do about it. Worse, ZOS doesn't seem to give a damn and their proposed "fix" won't really fix the imbalance.

Colors are to be heard.. Not tasted.. THAT IS THE PROBLEM

Um.... honey, that's not what my name is about. Think.... just a little.

Exactly. That is why you lost. I win

jelliedsoup

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Yet another CP complaint thread despite a cap coming with Orsinium... Where is my "why should I give a damn about this thread" button?

Also if you think ESO itself is no longer fun because you got beaten by someone with "possibly" a lot of CP then you may need to expand on ways to play the game.

This is very a very generic statement, care to elaborate?

TheNephilimCrow

TastesAllColors wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

It was PvE but they just included the ability to PvP in there.

Which has ruined it for PvE play because griefers can come in and make it impossible for you to do the PvE content. I don't mind getting ganked by someone if it is a fair fight. I really really don't. But in many cases it isn't a fair fight.

Thank goodness we have open duels in Cyro on Azura's Star. Some of the best 1v1 fights I've ever taken part in.

NA Server, btw.

TheNephilimCrow

TastesAllColors wrote: »

icontested wrote: »

TastesAllColors wrote: »

It just isn't. Someone with 1000+ CP can just walk all over you and there's not a damn thing you can do about it. Worse, ZOS doesn't seem to give a damn and their proposed "fix" won't really fix the imbalance.

Colors are to be heard.. Not tasted.. THAT IS THE PROBLEM

Um.... honey, that's not what my name is about. Think.... just a little.

I see what you did there.

k2blader

Jura23 wrote: »

Group up.

This is the answer.

However, when people actually group up, they then get blamed for being in a zerg and essentially blamed for making PvP not fun.

If people are going to say, "No, just play in 'smaller groups,'" why should they?

Will a 'smaller group' of people with 100-200 CPs beat a 'smaller group' of people with 400+ CPs?

Why would anyone want to play a game where they're going to continually get mowed over by much higher-powered players? CPs are what's exacerbating the situation.

Tavore1138

TastesAllColors wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Also if you think ESO itself is no longer fun because you got beaten by someone with "possibly" a lot of CP then you may need to expand on ways to play the game.

If that was what happened then I would have never complained about it. But it isn't what happened and I have made it clear what it is that I have a problem with. I DO NOT have a problem with getting beaten by a better player. In fact I love it when that happens because then there is something for me to learn or to set a goal toward achieving.

You seem to have completely misunderstood what I said. Please try again.

And you have attributed somebody elses quote to me... Not cool!

S1ipperyJim

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Surely the proposed useable cap of 500 does just what you want?
I'm not really sure what else they can reasonably be expected to do here?

How about remove CP from PVP or at least provide a CP free campaign? Pretty simple solution really.