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Astronomical prices for the Akaviri motif

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500K AP for chest, head, swords, staves, shields
250K AP for most of the others
100K AP for belt, dagger and one or two others
50K AP for the style material (5K per scrap, 10 scraps needed)

We're looking at millions of AP needed to craft this style. If I took my all the AP that I've earned since I started playing this spring (and assuming that I hadn't already spent most of that AP, which is a poor assumption; those wall repairs are expensive), I could buy only 3 of the large chapters, and of all my friends, I'm the one who PvPs the most.

On NA/PC, before the IC update, people were paying around 100K gold for a VR14 Cyrodiil's Light ring, and those cost only 248K AP. Using that price extrapolation, we'll be looking at the big chapters being worth over 200K gold--assuming the same AP gold value, which is a bad assumption (it'll likely cost even more than that, since this is now the biggest AP sink in the game).

First, the prices are just downright ridiculous. Did you guys accidentally add an extra 0 to all the prices? Because that's what it looks like here. This is going to make Akaviri far harder to acquire than even Glass.

Second, back when people were trying to save up their AP for gear, there would be instances when people were reluctant to repair walls or buy siege because they wanted to save up their AP. With such sky-high prices (that essentially places even the cheap chapters out of reach of most PvEers and the full motif out of reach of all but the most dedicated PvPers), this is going to rekindle that problem and make it even worse.

Instead of using a style motif as an AP sink, why not update the gear that's available using AP? Ravager is still VR14...
Edited by code65536 on October 6, 2015 8:13PM
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  • Alucardo
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    Holy crap that's a lot. I still like the idea of it being a motif - means we can use it on any level character and it's not limited to vets only. But yeah, them prices are criminally insane.

    Edit: Oh, did they give you a preview of the style on PTS? I'd love to see some screenshots if you have them
    Edited by Alucardo on October 6, 2015 8:11PM
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    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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  • r.jan_emailb16_ESO
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    I have like 15m AP that's waiting to be used, hopefully I can convert this in a few million gold :smiley:
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  • code65536
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    Alucardo wrote: »
    Oh, did they give you a preview of the style on PTS? I'd love to see some screenshots if you have them
    Sadly, I didn't have quite enough AP left on my toon to buy one of the big chapters, and I didn't want to blow it on a medium chapter.

    That said, the preview pictures are all identical to the existing Akaviri items. The things that we used to get in the Rewards for the Worthy mails were Akaviri, so you can equip those old sets to see what it looks like.
    Edited by code65536 on October 6, 2015 8:27PM
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  • TRoclodyte
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    I'm more upset about the price of the material than the price of the motif.
    If I already spent all that time grinding millions of AP to buy the full motif, I shouldn't have to grind 50,000 AP every damn time I want to craft just one single piece.

    Same goes for glass and dwarven.
  • starlizard70ub17_ESO
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    The style didn't look that great, sort of looks like craftable Nedic armour, (closest discription I can get.) I'm sure the motif be in the crown store for 5k a month or 2 after Orsinium DLC release.
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    This is a pve update not pvp lol
  • AhPook_Is_Here
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    I have like 15m AP that's waiting to be used, hopefully I can convert this in a few million gold :smiley:

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  • Alucardo
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    Mojmir wrote: »
    This is a pve update not pvp lol

    Orsinium is a pve zone, but there were updates added to the pts that were not pve related, like this style and many other changes to Cyrodiil. Why are you laughing?
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    code65536 wrote: »
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    Sadly, I didn't have quite enough AP left on my toon to buy one of the big chapters, and I didn't want to blow it on a medium chapter.

    Ah damn, no templates or anything with this style?
  • Vyle_Byte
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    Oooooh. Wow. Thats alotta AP. Way more then I expected.
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    Mojmir wrote: »
    This is a pve update not pvp lol

    Akaviri style is part of the base game update.
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    WTF is wrong with you Zo$???

    This is BS. If I have to spend AP on this stuff...the wall repair, door repair, siege weapons and everything else that costs AP, should now be free.
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  • SHADOW2KK
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    code65536 wrote: »
    500K AP for chest, head, swords, staves, shields
    250K AP for most of the others
    100K AP for belt, dagger and one or two others
    50K AP for the style material (5K per scrap, 10 scraps needed)

    We're looking at millions of AP needed to craft this style. If I took my all the AP that I've earned since I started playing this spring (and assuming that I hadn't already spent most of that AP, which is a poor assumption; those wall repairs are expensive), I could buy only 3 of the large chapters, and of all my friends, I'm the one who PvPs the most.

    On NA/PC, before the IC update, people were paying around 100K gold for a VR14 Cyrodiil's Light ring, and those cost only 248K AP. Using that price extrapolation, we'll be looking at the big chapters being worth over 200K gold--assuming the same AP gold value, which is a bad assumption (it'll likely cost even more than that, since this is now the biggest AP sink in the game).

    First, the prices are just downright ridiculous. Did you guys accidentally add an extra 0 to all the prices? Because that's what it looks like here. This is going to make Akaviri far harder to acquire than even Glass.

    Second, back when people were trying to save up their AP for gear, there would be instances when people were reluctant to repair walls or buy siege because they wanted to save up their AP. With such sky-high prices (that essentially places even the cheap chapters out of reach of most PvEers and the full motif out of reach of all but the most dedicated PvPers), this is going to rekindle that problem and make it even worse.

    Instead of using a style motif as an AP sink, why not update the gear that's available using AP? Ravager is still VR14...

    AP pricing seems ok to me IMO, as said on another similar thread, at least AP will be viable again.
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  • nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO
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    Don't worry they will get on the crown store too.......

    ZoS always make content based on the absolute elite players so this doesn't surprise me.
  • Docmandu
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    Needs to be super expensive, why else would people pay 5000 crowns for it in a couple of weeks!

    Anyway why spend AP on it, when you run the risk of them actually introducing something useful to buy with AP and you not having any left since you wasted it on style books.
  • DisgracefulMind
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    I don't see anything wrong with it.
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    Don't worry they will get on the crown store too.......

    ZoS always make content based on the absolute elite players so this doesn't surprise me.

    If you really think that ZOS does this you might want to think about it again.
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    That's baby AP.
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    code65536 wrote: »
    Instead of using a style motif as an AP sink, why not update the gear that's available using AP? Ravager is still VR14...

    I keep seeing this request. I have said this before but it bears repeating. If the AP gear like Ravager, Cyrodiil's Light, Morag Tong, etc., got upgraded to VR16, it would instantly become just about the best gear in the game. And it would be available without any need to buy DLC. No way is ZOS going to make it where playing the base game gets you the best gear in game! The best gear will come from DLC. It is not a mistake or oversight that AP is only getting you cosmetic items. That is by design as a way to make AP not completely worthless, while still funneling players into the DLC if they want their characters to become more powerful.
  • aco5712
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    we give you something (motifs) and you give us something (moneys). I like those prices. :)
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  • Wollust
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    I like those prices. Finally a way again of getting gold through AP.
    PVP is not cheap.
    Edited by Wollust on October 6, 2015 9:02PM
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  • Jennifur_Vultee
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    Don't worry...it'll be in the cash shop soon for 5000 crowns.
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    And I was hoping to spend my AP on scattershots and oil catapults. Well shucks...

    Just let us buy stacks of tripots ffs
  • Antirob
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    These prices are just fine. Not everyone needs the motifs, and they are meant to be somewhat rare. Guild crafters in pvp are going to be happyand pvpers can make gold again.
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  • DobbaDeuce
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    Total Cost is 4,300,000 AP.

    Personally, I like the fact that they're making things hard to get. You can use the "they just want to make crown store money" argument if you want, but honestly 4.3 million AP isn't that much, especially for players that like to spend a lot of time in Cyrodiil. It gives them something to spend their AP on, and it creates another outlet to spend gold on if you wish to buy from them.

    This is the kind of item that only specialized crafters need. Since pretty much anyone already can make whatever they want level wise, being a crafter hasn't been much of a business. However, if someone wants a specific style then maybe now they'll have to seek out a renowned crafter to make it for them.
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  • silky_soft
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    Keep these *** prices and put it in vr16 PvP gear boxes for RNG. If it's that pic that was on forums before, the Motif looks homeless person anyway.
    Edited by silky_soft on October 6, 2015 10:08PM
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  • angelyn
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    So with IC PVP update we got:
    -glass motif with insane non PVP orientated grind in order to get the motif and materials required to craft it.
    -glass motif and glass crafting materials(malachite) in crown store

    In Orsinium PVE update we get:
    -Akiviri motif with insane non PVE oriented grind in order to get the motif and materials required to craft it.
    - Akiviri motif and Akiviri crafting materials (gold scale) in crown store soon ( if data mining is correct-which is very likely)

    So basically bring a DLC out for a group of players who like to to X. Ensure that you include a highly desirable armour style in the DLC , but in order to obtain it, players will need to do a large grind by doing Y. Then add armour style and required crafting materials to cash shop. $$$$$$$

    I see what happened there. :o
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