Reroll a Character, Keep your Horse Upgrades!

Conquistador

Zenimax, it would be nice if you could provide this feature as a free service for re-rolling characters. When I bought this game, I made 3 Daggerfall Covenant characters all Dragonknights and now I see how stupid I was. However, they have max crafts and at least 60/60 in horse upgrades, one of which had stamina via the crownstore. I would like for you to offer a reimbursement of those points for future characters if you re-create a hero.

Personofsecrets

yes please. alliance and trophies too.

Molag_Crow

Yes please, because if ZOS assume that I'm going to spend any Crowns on mount upgrades for my new characters, they've got another thing coming.

Gidorick

I could see a Crown Store item that could allow this that is like... 1/2 the price to upgrade a horse to max stats.

Offer a discount and watch the sales roll in!

PinoZino

Why shouldn't we be able to sell horses?

That would solve your problem as well.

Iluvrien

Is there a good reason why an entirely new character should suddenly be able to ride as well as someone who no longer exists?

BlackEar

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Yes please, because if ZOS assume that I'm going to spend any Crowns on mount upgrades for my new characters, they've got another thing coming.

If not for new character what then?`

People are buying mount upgrades exactly for their new characters.

Tandor

I see this being the start of a very slippery slope. Why stop at mount skills? If it was a VR16 character you chose to delete why wouldn't you then assert that the new character should also be VR16?

People need to accept some responsibility for their choices and actions, that's all part and parcel of making decisions. If you roll the wrong character then re-roll it while it's relatively undeveloped and start over. If you wait until it's maxed out then there shouldn't be the opportunity to just recreate it fully maxed.

PinoZino

@Conquistador,

You were 'stupid' (your words) not only once, but three times. And now you move the responsibility to the manufactory?

It's like you pimped your car (and two others) in something like...



...and later demand 3 shiny brand fresh new cars from the manufactory for free or a low price.

However, you should be able to sell your fugly cars.

Btw, do you know you can reset your skills and attributes and keeping your horse in ESO?

BalticBlues

BETTER solution:

Give us a crown store item or shrine
to change the class of a charakter and reassign all skill points.

Similar as the already available shrines allowing to reassign only the skill points.

PinoZino

BalticBlues wrote: »

BETTER solution:

Give us a crown store item or shrine
to change the class of a charakter and reassign all skill points.

Similar as the already available shrines allowing to reassign only the skill points.

Attributes too.

Vez

PinoZino wrote: »

@Conquistador,

You were 'stupid' (your words) not only once, but three times. And now you move the responsibility to the manufactory?

It's like you pimped your car (and two others) in something like...



...and later demand 3 shiny brand fresh new cars from the manufactory for free or a low price.

However, you should be able to sell your fugly cars.

Btw, do you know you can reset your skills and attributes and keeping your horse in ESO?

A better analogy than yours is that you've bought a car from your local ZOS dealership but they've rigged it so the gas tank only holds 0.2 gallons, you can only drive it as fast as 25 mph, and the trunk has a separate lock that they won't give you the key to. Once a month they will allow you to pay them to add 0.2 gallons capacity to the gas tank, 1.67 mph to the top speed, and access to a tiny portion more of the trunk until, 5 years later, you have a normal car. Now that you've spent 5 years learning how to drive a car with a trunk, a gas tank, and can safely navigate roads at legal speeds, any subsequent car they sell you will come fully equipped but only so long as you and only you drive it. If you want to purchase a car from them for your spouse or a family member or you want to allow your spouse or a family member to drive your car, you will have to go through the whole thing again until the ZOS dealership is satisfied your family member can handle a car with a gas tank, a trunk, and faster than 25 mph speeds but it will also take them 5 years to "learn". The OP is only asking for the ability not to have to repeat this ridiculous and tedious procedure for every character.

"Horse riding skill" is a completely fake and made-up concept (in the context of the game) that doesn't cost ZOS anything to manufacture and is only there as an artificial time and gold sink. It doesn't actually cost ZOS anything to remove the time impediment they've put in place. And I bet if you asked the OP to pay for the riding skills in full on a new character, he'd be satisfied to do so in order to receive them up front. I know I would.

Tandor

Vez wrote: »

"Horse riding skill" is a completely fake and made-up concept (in the context of the game) that doesn't cost ZOS anything to manufacture and is only there as an artificial time and gold sink. It doesn't actually cost ZOS anything to remove the time impediment they've put in place. And I bet if you asked the OP to pay for the riding skills in full on a new character, he'd be satisfied to do so in order to receive them up front. I know I would.

But why stop at horse riding skills? Why not transfer or buy all the other skills to save having to stop by those pesky skyshards which are also a completely fake and made-up concept? After all, I had clicked on them with the deleted character, right? Why should I have to click on them again with the re-rolled character?

That's where this argument takes us, it's a slippery slope and it ends with pressing a button on the character creation screen to create a fully maxed out character. If that's what people want, then let's at least be open about it because that is where we end up once we start down the road of creating characters with a maxed out skill.

Vez

Tandor wrote: »

Vez wrote: »

"Horse riding skill" is a completely fake and made-up concept (in the context of the game) that doesn't cost ZOS anything to manufacture and is only there as an artificial time and gold sink. It doesn't actually cost ZOS anything to remove the time impediment they've put in place. And I bet if you asked the OP to pay for the riding skills in full on a new character, he'd be satisfied to do so in order to receive them up front. I know I would.

But why stop at horse riding skills? Why not transfer or buy all the other skills to save having to stop by those pesky skyshards which are also a completely fake and made-up concept? After all, I had clicked on them with the deleted character, right? Why should I have to click on them again with the re-rolled character?

That's where this argument takes us, it's a slippery slope and it ends with pressing a button on the character creation screen to create a fully maxed out character. If that's what people want, then let's at least be open about it because that is where we end up once we start down the road of creating characters with a maxed out skill.

I'm afraid I don't follow your logic. Quality of life changes like the one the OP proposes make the game more accessible, less tedious, and consequently more fun. And since ZOS is in complete control of them, they are free to determine exactly how accessible, tedious, and fun the game is for players irrespective of any scary logical precipices. That means that if ZOS wants to give rerolls a leg up because those players already suffered through the tedium at least once (or for any number of logical reasons), then indeed, why not? And if they want to stop precisely at horse riding skill and not a bit further, they can.

As far as slippery slopes - besides the fact that ZOS is not governed by some principle to always observe perfectly consistent logic across all game systems and mechanics so they will never have to do something just because they did something similar before - I think you have it backwards. The logic of the horse riding skill cooldown is what is aberrant. Imagine if that logic applied to everything in the game. You've earned x gold today? 24 hour cooldown on all gold rewards. You've earned x experience points? No more for 24 hours. You deconstructed 5 white items, now wait to decon the 5 blue you earned since then because you're on decon cooldown. Clicked a skyshard? No more for 24 hours.

And ZOS has already put aside the slippery slope argument by making the riding skill available in the crown store. And guess what? Crown store riding books have no cooldown.

Agobi

I want to reroll a character...but I want to keep all my levels and my gear...afterall,I did earn them...why should I lose all that just because I want to remake my character?








(slightly ironic post btw )

Alucardo

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Yes please, because if ZOS assume that I'm going to spend any Crowns on mount upgrades for my new characters, they've got another thing coming.

I thought the same thing man, until I couldn't keep up with my group around Cyrodiil. They make sure you want to upgrade your riding speed by making it slower than running on foot.

NewBlacksmurf

Simple solution is account mount progression.
Not sure how else you'd keep progress in a new character.

Same with crafting or bag upgrades....

AshTal

I agree more things should be account wide. Achievements, alliance rank, titles, sky shards and horses. Make alts less of a pain in the ass and less grinding

Prof_Bawbag

Iluvrien wrote: »

Is there a good reason why an entirely new character should suddenly be able to ride as well as someone who no longer exists?

Probably the same reason a new character is now able to ride the same horse across the same account. I kinda agree that all in-game upgrades (those done via gold) should reset, but crown store upgrades should carry over like the mounts now do.

troner2

i want to know how you only feel stupid now after creating 3 Dragon knights on teh same faction its only a few thousand to respec XD

Jitterbug

Vez wrote: »

PinoZino wrote: »

@Conquistador,

You were 'stupid' (your words) not only once, but three times. And now you move the responsibility to the manufactory?

It's like you pimped your car (and two others) in something like...



...and later demand 3 shiny brand fresh new cars from the manufactory for free or a low price.

However, you should be able to sell your fugly cars.

Btw, do you know you can reset your skills and attributes and keeping your horse in ESO?

A better analogy than yours is that you've bought a car from your local ZOS dealership but they've rigged it so the gas tank only holds 0.2 gallons, you can only drive it as fast as 25 mph, and the trunk has a separate lock that they won't give you the key to. Once a month they will allow you to pay them to add 0.2 gallons capacity to the gas tank, 1.67 mph to the top speed, and access to a tiny portion more of the trunk until, 5 years later, you have a normal car. Now that you've spent 5 years learning how to drive a car with a trunk, a gas tank, and can safely navigate roads at legal speeds, any subsequent car they sell you will come fully equipped but only so long as you and only you drive it. If you want to purchase a car from them for your spouse or a family member or you want to allow your spouse or a family member to drive your car, you will have to go through the whole thing again until the ZOS dealership is satisfied your family member can handle a car with a gas tank, a trunk, and faster than 25 mph speeds but it will also take them 5 years to "learn". The OP is only asking for the ability not to have to repeat this ridiculous and tedious procedure for every character.

"Horse riding skill" is a completely fake and made-up concept (in the context of the game) that doesn't cost ZOS anything to manufacture and is only there as an artificial time and gold sink. It doesn't actually cost ZOS anything to remove the time impediment they've put in place. And I bet if you asked the OP to pay for the riding skills in full on a new character, he'd be satisfied to do so in order to receive them up front. I know I would.

Wish I had a LoL button for that whole rant. That was funny

Kammakazi

Just make horse training account-wide, jeez.

Vulsahdaal

BalticBlues wrote: »

BETTER solution:

Give us a crown store item or shrine
to change the class of a charakter and reassign all skill points.

Similar as the already available shrines allowing to reassign only the skill points.

Sorry for the dumb questions, but Im just trying to figure out how that works..
Ok so lets say as an example, Im currently a level 45 heavy armor 2hd DK. I have approx 60 used skill pts give or take. Now I want to be a light armor destruction mage. So through a 'class change' I become a level 45 sorc with 60 skill pts sitting there.
But my light armor rating is 0? So is my destruction staff rating, and all sorc skills as I never used them before? I may be able to put a couple skill pts into each, but Im going to have to start leveling these things up in order to place all the skill points.
Now can I do this in a lower level zone, such as level 10-15 which is right for my slotted skills? Or do I have to go continue questing in my level 45 zone a bit handicapped in the slotted skill department?

RedTalon

Make it an account unlock in the crown store -sage-

Conquistador

troner2 wrote: »

i want to know how you only feel stupid now after creating 3 Dragon knights on teh same faction its only a few thousand to respec XD

Well, at the moment I am not completely sad about it because I just use them for doing writs, but wow it sucks because I want to explore Ebonheart Pact and need another character space, but my horse upgrades are high!

Tandor

Kammakazi wrote: »

Just make horse training account-wide, jeez.

No thanks. Many of us who play alts don't want them auto-skilled.

RatedChaotic

Mains mount is almost maxed. Went to roll another toon got on his mount and thought screw this its too slow. Not sinking time and gold into another mount. Sighed deleted alt and stayed playing my main.

TheShadowScout

Account wide stuff is the usual, annoying cry from the "gimme" crowd. I for one am still categorically opposed to having anything more account wide then we already do (with one exception, but that's another topic).

And "keeping stuff while rerolling" is iffy as well - if you consider rerolling what it means, ditching that character and making a new one. Since that -would- mean account-wide tracking of the stuff to be kept... which is not a good thing, as that would shorten the life expectation of the game as a whole.
This game already has more account wide stuff then any other I have ever played. All good things to have account wide, but... any more would tip the balance from good to problematic...

Stuff you have on your characters is individual, and should remain individual. Yes, there are people whining about it - they like to use the "I the player worked for it, so I should have it on all my characters", which is a silly thing to say... when you work your day job to afford some nice flatscreen TV for your living room, does that mean that your old kitchen TV should suddenly magically become a flatscreen as well? No, doesn't work that way, right? Individual stuff is individual.

If you reroll, you loose all the individual.
Period.
And yes, I have done that... rerolled a character, lost two months of research, and started over.

Changes on the other hand...
People here have been wanting some options to adjust their characters since forever. From very reasonable "appereance recustomization" requests, to race change, to more difficult stuff like alliance change or class change.
Latter being what applied to this discussion...

Yes, it would be technically possible to add a "class change" option to the crown store. Yes, it would be somewhat iffy, due to the mentioned skill advancement reset thing - though they could just transfer the class skill adgvancement you had in your old class to the new one, give you at least some basic skills to go with. And besides, levelling up a new weapon or armor skill doesn't take too long... even all skills at zero is doable, if somewhat "hardmode"...
Of course, a great many players oppose that idea, for fear of FotM chasers abusing the mechanic and leading to disparity in PvP.
Personally I don't consider that to be an insurmountable problem, if the change costs, say, 5000 crowns, few FotM chasers would consider their chase worth the cost - and if they did, it'd just be more money in ZOS warchest, to finance more content for all of us sooner...

But that is in the future. And quite possibly, an alternate future, since while we have word they are working on a race change, there has been no indication whatsoever they are even thinking about a class change.



So right now, people who foolishly made three DC dragonknights and are now vexed about this only have two options... retire one or two of them and use the other five character slots until something changes, or bite the bullet and reroll one or two of them, loosing all the horse trading and crafting research they did on them, and start new characters.

NativeJoe

How about this... After caldwells gold... you should be able to go back to caldwell and "rewind time and respawn your character" you keep all your achievements, all ur upgrades, but ur reset back to level 1... so u can do it all over again as a different class/race/ or alliance.

Conquistador

I don't think it's game-breaking because you could just use the crown store upgrades and have a 60/60/60 level 3 if you wanted to. I'll be honest, it's a little unfair because in other games, you potentially start out with your mount maxed and the only limitation is you cannot use your mount until level 10 or 40, etc. While I don't agree that horse upgrades should be account-wide, I do believe you should be able to 'store' your upgraded mount in the stable for future use (like banking your bound gear). I know I made some bad decisions, but I don't feel I should be penalised completely down to the bone for them. Having to start fresh is bad enough as it is.

firstdecan

Agobi wrote: »

I want to reroll a character...but I want to keep all my levels and my gear...afterall,I did earn them...why should I lose all that just because I want to remake my character?

(slightly ironic post btw )

I think there should be a way to "shortcut" certain aspects of progression if you've done it already on one character. As it stands, it takes months to level up a character, train the horse, research the traits, etc. If it didn't take so damn long I would agree with your sarcasm, but the months that it takes to level up second and subsequent toons, which is mostly done through questing, can be really, really boring.

I wouldn't say instant gratification, but reduce the amount of time it takes so a casual can do it in a month or two.