Top 2% End of Campaign Rewards: Well-Fitted? Sturdy?

hammayolettuce

So I got my 5 gold pieces for being the top 2% at the end of Trueflame. 4/5 of them either had the well-fitted or sturdy trait. I would have actually used the Arch-Mage gear for a magicka build if it had a decent trait, but I'm just gonna be deconning this ***. Also, those 5 repair kits are a slap in the face since I've gone through over 1000 during this campaign cycle. Everyone in my guild was posting the similarly useless gear they received... You'd think that for rewards, ZOS would limit the traits to be something useful...

Ara_Valleria

well-fitted, sturdy & ornate are op traits imo. They might need a nerf.
But as far as pvp rewards go, wall repair kits are the best.

xaraan

Pretty sure RNG is well-fitted 50%, everything else divided up among the other half.

Vyle_Byte

Seriously?! Such BS that is! Come on ZOS why are you always so stingy with our rewards? You say your going to make them better and then give crap traits on gear we earn for being in the top 2%? What are you guys thinking?! You know they are crap. Those shouldn't even be in the rotation.

Wait... why am I surprised? This is totally something they would do, I must have had a memory lapse for a second haha!

DezIsDead

xaraan wrote: »

Pretty sure RNG is well-fitted 50%, everything else divided up among the other half.

so off topic, how many man hours does it take to gear all your toons in v16?

hammayolettuce

These traits have no place in the top tier rewards.

Lettigall

For me 3 out of 5 are useless gear. 2 items are from worthless sets and of them 1 have well-fitted trait, 3. item from good set but have sturdy trait...

Only 2 good gear peaces and 10 rocks, I feel rewarded... Thank you @ZOS !!!

VincentBlanquin

hey sturdy can be incredible usefull. after a long grind at sewers you can have broken armor and forget repair kit. this can help you from being easy ganked and loose all tv stones ....

Vyle_Byte

VincentBlanquin wrote: »

hey sturdy can be incredible usefull. after a long grind at sewers you can have broken armor and forget repair kit. this can help you from being easy ganked and loose all tv stones ....

I think you may be missing the point lol, sturdy doesn't help PVP'ers, these are rewards for the end of campaign, pvp'ing. These guys aren't much into grinding in IC after they've gotten geared up. Sturdy doesn't help a pvp'er at all. They are in actual Cyro not worrying about repair costs.

MLRPZ

(I think it was a troll but shhhh)

silky_soft

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/221356/leader-board-rewards-are-atrocious-sturdy-vr16-yellow-gear-anyone#latest

Poxheart

The irony is toward the end of the closed beta ZoS actually asked,

We're looking to get feedback from all you Cyrodiil vets out there. When you're out in Cyrodiil, what traits do you prefer to have on your weapons and armor? We're particularly interested in what traits you find most useful for end-game PVP.

The results were as you'd expect for the game at the time, but it's almost like ZoS took those results and skewed the PvP loot table in the opposite direction.

Scyantific

Poxheart wrote: »

The irony is toward the end of the closed beta ZoS actually asked,

We're looking to get feedback from all you Cyrodiil vets out there. When you're out in Cyrodiil, what traits do you prefer to have on your weapons and armor? We're particularly interested in what traits you find most useful for end-game PVP.

The results were as you'd expect for the game at the time, but it's almost like ZoS took those results and skewed the PvP loot table in the opposite direction.

That's because the feedback provided doesn't fit their definition of feedback.

c0rp

How this game survives with terrible dungeon loots, terrible boss loot and terrible rewards loot has perplexed me for a long time.

Joy_Division

c0rp wrote: »

How this game survives with terrible dungeon loots, terrible boss loot and terrible rewards loot has perplexed me for a long time.

Must be nice to be the only guy on a deserted island full of beautiful women.

RoamingRiverElk

Yep... I got three Sturdy pieces too. Yay...

themdogesbite

Got 1 usefull piece out of 20 rewards (2 chars + winning campaign) Rest was sturdy / Well fitted. How about scaleing sets like Ravager, Cyrodiils light and Shadow Walker etc to v16 and a chance to drop golden jewlery. v16 master weapons etc.
Atleast the gold rewarded was a bit better..

Armitas

yeah some of these traits need to die in fire. especially Exploration and sturdy.

Xexpo

@ZOS_BrianWheeler Could you please acknowledge the poor state of campaign rewards ?

And please add v16 gold jewelry (no ornate please and thank you)

You can RNG-troll us to death with Rewards for the Worthy , that's fine.
But the screenshots in the op make us all sad

RDMyers65b14_ESO

The rewards for finishing in the top 2% were horrible to the point where I feel that I didn't get anything other than a few rocks that were gone after the first keep I had to repair. Completely useless to me. I gave all of the stuff to the guild cause maybe someone else could use it. If it was all pieces of one set, it might have been more valuable to me, but random junk isn't.

Crown

DezIsDead wrote: »

so off topic, how many man hours does it take to gear all your toons in v16?

@DezIsDead If you include a Molag Kena helm (assuming you spent 90+ gold keys and didn't get a shoulders), then 340 hours average per toon unless you want to spend a LOT of gold or took advantage of one of the bugged drop areas and/or trap bug to get more than your fair share of trophies and kills.

EDIT: Yes - 92 gold keys, 17 silver keys, and no shoulders.

Ara_Valleria

Crown wrote: »

DezIsDead wrote: »

so off topic, how many man hours does it take to gear all your toons in v16?

@DezIsDead If you include a Molag Kena helm (assuming you spent 90+ gold keys and didn't get a shoulders), then 340 hours average per toon unless you want to spend a LOT of gold or took advantage of one of the bugged drop areas and/or trap bug to get more than your fair share of trophies and kills.

EDIT: Yes - 92 gold keys, 17 silver keys, and no shoulders.

Need to pray more to RNGeezus.
Also recommend sacrificing your Guar mount in his name. Might improve your luck.

xaraan

DezIsDead wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

Pretty sure RNG is well-fitted 50%, everything else divided up among the other half.

so off topic, how many man hours does it take to gear all your toons in v16?

I feel like it's not even worth the effort to try. I only geared up the 3 I use a lot and then left the others at either v14 gear or made some quick v15 gear. Will probably wait til Wrothgar (if I'm still playing) to gear them all up fully. (Though I also have some v16 dropped gear mixed in on a few of the others)

Waylander

The top 2% and top 10% items have nothing that would make someone try to get into that bracket. I think the chance for gold jewellery, v16 masters weapons or WGT/ICP loot drops would get everyone keen to compete for a top spot.

With regards to gearing up my characters, I really only have 3 armour sets that I can use across all characters as I think itemisation/gear variation was put aside to encourage people to buy the DLC. The advantage in glyphing v16 jewellery over v14 Jewellery makes the willpower/agility/endurance sets required in most builds.

So I have 1 magica sets for both pvp and pve with different jewellery depending on if I need sustain or dps.

I have 2 stamina sets, one PvE and one PvP.

I will probably make up one stamina tanking set when I can be bothered grinding the thousand or so material needed.

NativeJoe

c0rp wrote: »

How this game survives with terrible dungeon loots, terrible boss loot and terrible rewards loot has perplexed me for a long time.

Don't talk to me about terrible loot <.< I've literally killed over a thousand bosses in dungeons and have NEVER had a monster helm drop.

Shoulders? Got piles of those... x.x

As for the 2% getting crap gold drops. Yes I see your point. if I grind for a month in pvp I expect some decent traits. But then again I have a good amount of animosity against you guys lol.... the fact you guys farm defense ticks or exploit erks me to no end. I just don't get how you guys are pulling 75k AP 20 minutes after reset. I mean I went last night 95 to 5 deaths in an hour and a half. is that sort of play rewarded? NO lol...because im a newb scrub that doesn't get how to work the system x.x

NativeJoe

NativeJoe wrote: »

c0rp wrote: »

How this game survives with terrible dungeon loots, terrible boss loot and terrible rewards loot has perplexed me for a long time.

Don't talk to me about terrible loot <.< I've literally killed over a thousand bosses in dungeons and have NEVER had a monster helm drop.

Shoulders? Got piles of those... x.x

As for the 2% getting crap gold drops. Yes I see your point. if I grind for a month in pvp I expect some decent traits. But then again I have a good amount of animosity against you guys lol.... the fact you guys farm defense ticks or exploit erks me to no end. I just don't get how you guys are pulling 75k AP 20 minutes after reset. I mean I went last night 95 to 5 deaths (in a group of 3 people) in an hour and a half. is that sort of play rewarded? NO lol...because im a newb scrub that doesn't get how to work the system x.x

Mantic0r3

im sorry for derailing the thread a bit but im really interested if those top 2% rewards could include vr16 master weapons, so did anyone get one?

Alomar

Got 15 pieces from AZ top 2%, winning AZ, and TF winning rewards and 13/15 were horrible traits. Just another lapse in judgment from ZOS, we up to 2,157 since launch?

Leandor

Once veteran ranks are reached, there is no place for sturdy, training, exploration traits. These have no place on veteran loot tables at all, neither in dungeons nor in vaults nor in campaign rewards. The fact they are still there is only showing the manure they are piling on us players.

Have one trait limited to each armor weight: Impenetrable for light armor, since it has little mitigation and needs a trait that helps survival. Well-fitted for medium armor, since medium armor builds are usually very dependend on movement (to balance its usefulness, add run speed increase stacking with major/minor expedition buffs for half the reduced cost percentage value, so that this trait is actually desirable). Reinforced for heavy armor, since this is the only armor weight that has the base values making this worth it and heavy is normally used to provide high mitigation. All weights also receive divines and infused. These are the only traits you get on drops (three each weight, all useful).

If you want different traits, use crafted stuff. That gives back importance to it, without giving it an insurmountable advantage like the "one additional level" disaster.

RNG is the worst possible loot extender. Player retention is not achieved by making them take ages to complete one set, but by providing many possible interesting combinations. This makes players run the same dungeon over and over as well, if they want to experiment, or tailor their stuff for specific playstyles. Instead, we get severly limited choices and endless, unsatisfactory grinds.

Sadly, ZOS will never listen to this, though.

Lettigall

Mantic0r3 wrote: »

im sorry for derailing the thread a bit but im really interested if those top 2% rewards could include vr16 master weapons, so did anyone get one?

Sorry but there are no V16 master weapons...

revonine

Lettigall wrote: »

Mantic0r3 wrote: »

im sorry for derailing the thread a bit but im really interested if those top 2% rewards could include vr16 master weapons, so did anyone get one?

Sorry but there are no V16 master weapons...

Do the V14 weapons still drop?