Dear EP, you are going to kill Azura

Satiar

timidobserver wrote: »

Nice, so EP basically won ESO PvP?

Indeed. It's why some of us left.

Nermy

You all talk like EP has some massive collective consciousness like the Borg. Don't blame the population imbalances you are experiencing on the EP, or anyone for that matter. We all have free will to choose which faction we play for and mathematically, with this many players, it should balance out. You'd need a brain like Einstein to work out a formula for why it's not.

So stop your whining and go back to the fight ffs...

Ghostbane

WRX wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

WRX wrote: »

This is something I could get behind.

Oh Captain oh Captain...how we miss thee ☺️

Miss you too man!

There will be a resurgence once this thing gets turned around.

Shut up and level a NB already.

Maotti

And this is the reason i can't be bothered to PvP much, the reds are lagging out the servers constantly and making it unplayable.

Can't wait for Orsinium!

AudioVortex

Quite enjoying Azuras on Xbox EU. Quite a balance at the moment (as of last night) with each having 2 inner keeps with fights back and forth. Same sort of numbers with AD and EP, DC a bit less but still getting involved trying to get there scroll back. Some nice three way battles to keep it interesting.

All good stuff!

kevlarto_ESO

Hektik_V wrote: »

The underlying issue is that the main AD guilds and the main DC guilds don't play on the same server, thus eliminating the RvRvR. Instead we are left with DC vs EP on Azura's Star and AD vs EP on Trueflame. EP has the population to combat both factions on their respective servers, whereas EP can not combat both factions pushing on one server due to the population cap. AD and DC must use the population caps as artificial limiters to the number of EP on a server at once.

This problem became mostly apparent with the downfall of the flagship campaigns such as Wabbajack and Thornblade, when AD and DC guilds started spreading out to different servers instead of working together.

I agree, it seems like North American players just do not understand how RvRvR works, they think when DC is pushing East and AD is pushing north there is some kind of green alliance, three faction pvp is simple the lesser factions work against the bully of the campaign and not against each other no communication between the factions needs to take place, in this case EP is the bully they have the numbers the organized leaders, if all three factions played RvRvR like it was intended it would be some great fun, no one likes to get rolled over an over by any faction, but running to another campaign is not the answer, join together get some leadership and fight back, because running to the other campaigns means the enemy will follow when they find themselves with nothing to do, now lets throw IC into the mix splitting up the pvp'ers, with the population imbalances it is just a mess all around.

Force-Siphon

Ok...everyone knows AS is out of hand, usually DC can muster a fight during the day/evening but the map is red most of the time. this is while DC is pop-locked and there will only be a few of us actually defending. Why? Because everyone is in the sewers grinding willpower trophies or fighting in memorial. When we crowned Shin the other day at reset, as soon as EP started pushing like we knew they would, DC immediately retreated back to the sewers. At the same time going potato in zone chat towards Shin about whether he was defending or in the sewers. Guess how many of us (including Shin) were at the last emp keep at Roe that night? Probably like 8 max...whatever we had in our K Hole group at the time and we were all exhausted from defending against a pop-locked EP....half afk bc tbh I kinda stopped caring considering that our faction wanted to cry defeat before our keeps even flipped.

And after I got messages calling us potatoes for flipping the map and letting emp reset so EP could get it back...LOL. Instead of that maybe some ppl could have decided to get their guilds to actually stay and push.

Also, DC as a faction was too spread on servers in terms of organized guilds to be able to organize "pugs" like some ppl think we should. VE on TF, I think LoM was on haderus for awhile, etc. At some point it's on ppl to just go fight and not wait for the organized raids to tell you where to place your siege...but hey I'm sure all that gold from selling trophies is gonna get great gear to....farm more trophies.

K Hole moved to home to TF like Keir said and honestly I think it is a good move precisely bc of the fact that DC there are actually willing to fight in cyrodiil without retreating to the sewers after losing a keep. Yeah EP has a lot more players than the other factions but this is not new. DC has the ability to push the reds back, and our faction spends an insane amount of time in the sewers instead.

DC is always going to feel outnumbered but I'm honestly interested in a balanced server to find good fights and AS is not it despite a pop locked DC every night. Maybe TF will provide that who knows.

And Meth I'm glad you're sticking with EP lol, always fun fights my friend. Plus I think a lot of DC heads would explode if they saw you in zone chat.

Keiryan

Yeah.. I mention the fact that we're moving cause I'm hoping that Trueflame turns into an actual bumpin server..sort of a come one, come all to any guild actually seeking action in Cyrodiil.

My body is ready.

apostate9

Force-Siphon wrote: »

Ok...everyone knows AS is out of hand, usually DC can muster a fight during the day/evening but the map is red most of the time. this is while DC is pop-locked and there will only be a few of us actually defending. Why? Because everyone is in the sewers grinding willpower trophies or fighting in memorial. When we crowned Shin the other day at reset, as soon as EP started pushing like we knew they would, DC immediately retreated back to the sewers. At the same time going potato in zone chat towards Shin about whether he was defending or in the sewers. Guess how many of us (including Shin) were at the last emp keep at Roe that night? Probably like 8 max...whatever we had in our K Hole group at the time and we were all exhausted from defending against a pop-locked EP....half afk bc tbh I kinda stopped caring considering that our faction wanted to cry defeat before our keeps even flipped.

And after I got messages calling us potatoes for flipping the map and letting emp reset so EP could get it back...LOL. Instead of that maybe some ppl could have decided to get their guilds to actually stay and push.

Also, DC as a faction was too spread on servers in terms of organized guilds to be able to organize "pugs" like some ppl think we should. VE on TF, I think LoM was on haderus for awhile, etc. At some point it's on ppl to just go fight and not wait for the organized raids to tell you where to place your siege...but hey I'm sure all that gold from selling trophies is gonna get great gear to....farm more trophies.

K Hole moved to home to TF like Keir said and honestly I think it is a good move precisely bc of the fact that DC there are actually willing to fight in cyrodiil without retreating to the sewers after losing a keep. Yeah EP has a lot more players than the other factions but this is not new. DC has the ability to push the reds back, and our faction spends an insane amount of time in the sewers instead.

DC is always going to feel outnumbered but I'm honestly interested in a balanced server to find good fights and AS is not it despite a pop locked DC every night. Maybe TF will provide that who knows.

And Meth I'm glad you're sticking with EP lol, always fun fights my friend. Plus I think a lot of DC heads would explode if they saw you in zone chat.

TF is pretty good PVP, IMO. There are periods when each alliance does PVD, but during prime time, there are big battles, big armies, all three factions.

Ishammael

Keiryan wrote: »

Yeah.. I mention the fact that we're moving cause I'm hoping that Trueflame turns into an actual bumpin server..sort of a come one, come all to any guild actually seeking action in Cyrodiil.

My body is ready.

We (LoM) moved there 2 wks ago. We'll look for y'all on the field.

Also -- I get Sen, he's my healer.

PainfulFAFA

Shhhh Keep it lowkey plz

Zerglings are on the hunt for a new camp

Satiar

VE definitely plans to continue homing Trueflame with the reset today. If you're looking for competitive fights, hop on over.

Pchela

Today, a group of yellow came to Azura's and pushed things! And defended them! Good job guys.

Yonkit

Xiphyla wrote: »

Zavus wrote: »

MaximillianDiE wrote:

Quite frankly I couldn;'t care less what Meth thinks. Beast, Anon, Eruditiion, Peri, Killer et all you were my boys, Miss you all. Zavus you were a dude when we levelled - always thought highly of you despite the frustration of numbers that you have little to no control over. I've done what I can for balance over the past while going AD to EP to AD to DC. If you want to be part of the problem rather than the solution thats your perogative. This is a drunken post missing you all. Hope you have fun zerging the *** out of us, and you get some degree of satisfavtion out of it. You are great players but its now its up to you whether you are the problem or the solution. Great players all - hope to see you all again sometime soon with no saltieness. cher cher and lots of love Maxi

I'm not telling you what I think. I'm telling you exactly what I've done and what I'm going to do. And thats play 1 toon. Now, as for what I think. I shouldn't have to re-roll anything. I don't even have another EP char, why would I make another DC, AD char. I have the time to do it. But I'm not going to. Some people play 8 different alts and they have fun with it. Thats not me. I play one char.

-M

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]

Direct at meth. You have time to to grind to 800 CP or more but no time to start a new char , lol. Well not asking u to start one but just the answer you gave is just kinda funny

He said he has time to do it, but doesn't want to...

WRX

Ghostbane wrote: »

WRX wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

WRX wrote: »

This is something I could get behind.

Oh Captain oh Captain...how we miss thee ☺️

Miss you too man!

There will be a resurgence once this thing gets turned around.

Shut up and level a NB already.

No way m8.

Sorc lyfe because DK's are on their walkers.

Jules

Trying to keep the EP settled on AZ. I've encouraged them multiple times to not gate camp/paint the entire server so we'll see. We sincerely want competitive fights, not pvdoor and afk in keeps all day.

TBois

WRX wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

WRX wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

WRX wrote: »

This is something I could get behind.

Oh Captain oh Captain...how we miss thee ☺️

Miss you too man!

There will be a resurgence once this thing gets turned around.

Shut up and level a NB already.

No way m8.

Sorc lyfe because DK's are on their walkers.

I think you mean wheelchairs

Satiar

Jules wrote: »

Trying to keep the EP settled on AZ. I've encouraged them multiple times to not gate camp/paint the entire server so we'll see. We sincerely want competitive fights, not pvdoor and afk in keeps all day.

I think we both know how much good that will do. Same old song and dance.

IMO this will only be solved when all the big guilds get over wanting their own buff/emp server and fight on one competitive server.

We've tried to facilitate this by going to enemy strongholds, challenging their Emp and map dominance. So far their response has been to leave and create a new buff server. Oh well.

CN_Daniel

Jules wrote: »

Trying to keep the EP settled on AZ. I've encouraged them multiple times to not gate camp/paint the entire server so we'll see. We sincerely want competitive fights, not pvdoor and afk in keeps all day.

Just let me have one day with them alone without you guys there. Oh lord :-) That 3 full raid team is just begging for it.

apostate9

Satiar wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

Trying to keep the EP settled on AZ. I've encouraged them multiple times to not gate camp/paint the entire server so we'll see. We sincerely want competitive fights, not pvdoor and afk in keeps all day.

I think we both know how much good that will do. Same old song and dance.

IMO this will only be solved when all the big guilds get over wanting their own buff/emp server and fight on one competitive server.

We've tried to facilitate this by going to enemy strongholds, challenging their Emp and map dominance. So far their response has been to leave and create a new buff server. Oh well.

ORLY?

We'll see ya on TF tonight.

Publius_Scipio

sixuponthelot wrote: »

WRX wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

WRX wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

WRX wrote: »

This is something I could get behind.

Oh Captain oh Captain...how we miss thee ☺️

Miss you too man!

There will be a resurgence once this thing gets turned around.

Shut up and level a NB already.

No way m8.

Sorc lyfe because DK's are on their walkers.

I think you mean wheelchairs

True!!!

AAN2

Cathexis wrote: »

AAN2 wrote: »

Mmmmmm the tears of our enemies. So sweet. #EPzerg4lyf

Lol that's how I feel every time we destroy you mindless little zerglings in memorial and when you don't outnumber DC.

You are squishy little lemmings.

Why don't you join the other side and learn to fight ^_^

Squishy little lemmings that have pushed your side off of nearly every PVP server.

Every keep and resource you take, we take back.

Every time you win a battle against us on one side of the map, we beat you on the other side.

Every time you come up with a cunning strategy to bypass our 'main horde' you forget that even our secondary hordes are capable of outnumbering you two to one.

The only hope you have of victory is when we are distracted by the Aldmeri Dominion, which also dominates you on a regular basis.

SkylarkAU

Pchela wrote: »

Today, a group of yellow came to Azura's and pushed things! And defended them! Good job guys.

Last night (or yesterday) on AS was probably the best PVP I've played since before the red wedding on thornblade in 1.6. Really fun.

JDar

Keiryan wrote: »

Yeah.. I mention the fact that we're moving cause I'm hoping that Trueflame turns into an actual bumpin server..sort of a come one, come all to any guild actually seeking action in Cyrodiil.

My body is ready.

Is your body ever *not* ready?

gerdor

not EP is going to kill azura...
its zos cause total crap performance...
total unballanced skills...
boring pvp which is the most time only zergs with steel tornado, bat swarm...
and this stupid IC is only a grind till brain death and by far no pvp upate

Minnesinger

I wish some of the EP uderstand that they don´t need to campaign hop if there i

AAN2 wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

AAN2 wrote: »

Mmmmmm the tears of our enemies. So sweet. #EPzerg4lyf

Lol that's how I feel every time we destroy you mindless little zerglings in memorial and when you don't outnumber DC.

You are squishy little lemmings.

Why don't you join the other side and learn to fight ^_^

Squishy little lemmings that have pushed your side off of nearly every PVP server.

Every keep and resource you take, we take back.

Every time you win a battle against us on one side of the map, we beat you on the other side.

Every time you come up with a cunning strategy to bypass our 'main horde' you forget that even our secondary hordes are capable of outnumbering you two to one.

The only hope you have of victory is when we are distracted by the Aldmeri Dominion, which also dominates you on a regular basis.

The bolded part pretty much sums up the situation. Guess what we ALL know that. That is why a) WE have players who understand what strat actually means, b) WE got players who can still beat you in 1 to 2 fights (it is only that when your main horde comes to save your a***s that you win).

I think there are mentioned some of the varieties between the Factions. For the best of the game there are players that don´t run from keep A to keep B zerging their way to "victory". These players must use all the possible skills improving what they can. They also know that tactics really play part in the game. Based on these facts I wonder who really gets the short end of the stick?

P.S. Just watched a video of an EP group of 4 who managed to kill much bigger AD group. Tells me that not all EP needs to form their idea of PvP around zerging. IMO this is l2P issue.

Herbatio

EIGHTS wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

DC and AD should come out of IC.

I don't see many players in IC too.
I don't know where is everyone.

lol thats hilarious, im DC pho lyfe, no other toons on the other factions, that should have been the way since the beginning of this game FOR EVERYONE. DC won the last 3 campaigns (Azura) before IC came out so dunno where we all went, (those who left to go to the red and yellow zergs , shame on you) but the population restrictions are all ****** up and a root cause of why many arnt playing it.

jhharvest

Speaking as a complete pvp pug if Zos wants to balance combat:
1) remove end of campaign rewards, instead give better rewards based on player performance on an hourly basis
2) give double ap and exp for players of outnumbered factions, half rewards for players on dominant faction
3) increase rewards for taking strategic goals
Optionally: remove home campaigns. This way players would go to campaigns that they aren't stomping. Easy.

Also speaking as a complete pug who joined spring this if Zos wants more people in pvp:
1) get rid of cp and make battle levelling stronger
I'm now v16 and I have a bit of cp and okay enough gear that I can do alright in pvp these days but the reality is that pvp SUCKS for new players. You'll get stomped and stomped and stomped until at least a couple of months in. This does not encourage you to play pvp.

As an ep player on PC NA Azura: last couple of days have been occasionally good fighting. I'd like it to be more balanced (ep leading by 3k points doesn't make sense to me), but that balance can only come from the developer. They need to seriously consider skills and limits and other factors if they want it. I think though they just want to keep their old players because those are the people who are vocal on the forums and have been subscribers for the longest.