DKs Are Too Tanky PVP, Nerf Please

Emma_Overload

My Sorc went 1v1 with a DK the other day for more than 5 minutes, and neither one of us could significantly damage the other. Finally, we just put down our weapons and walked away, LOL.

What is the problem with this, though? I figured it meant we were well balanced against each other.

DaveMoeDee

oxxalejandroxxo wrote: »

I think too tanky might be an understatement here, a lot of times DKs are almost impossible to kill in 1 vs 1 duel! Even DKs are frustrated by the fact that they simply cannot kill another DK 1 on 1 after a loooooong fight. I think ZOS should do something to nurf DKs a little bit, at least to make them less god like??

First, they should never modify the game based on 1v1. At least not until there is something that is really 1v1 in the game.

Second, matchups. You would probably want to nerf rock because it always beats you when you play scissors.

Third, did they kill you? If not, where's the problem?

Fourth, how are they god-like if they can't even kill another DK? Isn't that just more evidence that they can't do sufficient DPS? Bizarre logic.

DaveMoeDee

Rohaus wrote: »

I have played DK since beta. It is actually the ONLY VR toon I have. I am rank 25 in Cyrodiil if that tells you anything. I am also Undaunted Rank 9 so I have put a decent amount of time into PvE as well.

That being said, unless you go Vamp, you have ZERO ways to flee. So, building to our strength of being inherently tanky... one must put on heavy armor, 5 pieces is my recommendation… even though Sorcs and NB’s have their easymode escape ability, I prefer the playstyle of a DK. Stand and fight!!! Don’t be a sissy and run.

I do find it funny to be on the front lines and seeing a mob of people try to kill me… only to have my organized group come in behind me and smoke all those fools that dropped all of their ultimate’s on me only to get squished and then I get to walk away perfectly fine. Hahaha… but sadly, this doesn’t happen as often as I would like it to. In the end, the majority of the time that I die is because of a zerg… 10+ people all wailing on me. My satisfaction is just seeing how long I can survive…

I would love it if the DK tank had it so that our spell damage/weapon damage was increased at a decent level according to the number of chumps beating on us. How fun would it be to have our damage increased only to be able to return the favor to those little zerglings running around.

The big downside in tanky DKs is that, due to lack lack of DPS, you end up killing zero zerg members and dying in the end.

At least with a high DPS build, you might kill someone before being taken out.

rordogg

Bahahaha wait are you serious? I barely see many DKs as it is now.

Orchish

Is this seriously a nerf DK thread? I need to go lay down.

Armitas

Orchish wrote: »

Is this seriously a nerf DK thread? I need to go lay down.

Yeah. I should probably go wipe up all the blood that shot out of my eyes after reading this thread, then I'll go lay down as well.

Alucardo

Armitas wrote: »

Yeah. I should probably go wipe up all the blood that shot out of my eyes after reading this thread, then I'll go lay down as well.

I'll be with you guys shortly. Just waiting for my body to stop convulsing from reading this ridiculous thread, then I'll go lay down too.

Dober

So after they nerfed DKs you guys are still complaining about it?

Domander

cschwingeb14_ESO wrote: »

For people that don't understand the mechanics of this, it's a combination of magma armor, ult gen and/or reduced ult costs. When you have an ultimate that lasts around 10 seconds, with 15-20 second recast, and every recast gives you enough stam through battle roar (and earthen heart passive) to block through that 5 sec or longer... Then you're tanky as hell.

I'd assume that DK's resource generation is going to be addressed at some point. Sorc dark exchange and NB siphoning got nerfed in the last patch to be flat values, it's only a matter of time for DK's helping hand and battle roar to suffer the same fate

It got nerfed this last patch too, guess you don't play a magicka dk. (though not many do anymore)

Sheezabeast

OP maybe before you call for a nerf for the whole class why didn't you just whisper said DK and ask what armor they wear? Tankiness isn't just CP and class skills, its armor and jewelry and enchants. You could learn something if you just ask ^_^

Forestd16b14_ESO

Look if you really want a DK nerf look at reflective scales now only deal a bonus damage of 20% instead of 35% while also only reflecting 4 projectiles for 4 seconds . So there a DK nerf happened already.

robkrush

OP, instead of asking for someone to nurf an entire class why don't YOU just buff yourself. Craft better gear. Level up. Learn the tactics to deal with a DK tank (like CC!). Or whatever weakness YOU have. I watch my friends wreck DKs every night. It may take a few extra hits but DK tanks arent putting much hurt on you while they spam buffs and hold block.

PhatGrimReaper

oxxalejandroxxo wrote: »

I think too tanky might be an understatement here, a lot of times DKs are almost impossible to kill in 1 vs 1 duel! Even DKs are frustrated by the fact that they simply cannot kill another DK 1 on 1 after a loooooong fight. I think ZOS should do something to nurf DKs a little bit, at least to make them less god like??

LMFAO!!!..... Keep feeding the beast bro.... the more they nerf us, the harder we laugh when we rekt you!

You either a really bad player or a really good Troll!

tonemd

Can we nerf templars? That tickly jabbi-jab thing is annoying. It doesn't hurt much but it IS still annoying.

Forestd16b14_ESO

tonemd wrote: »

Can we nerf templars? That tickly jabbi-jab thing is annoying. It doesn't hurt much but it IS still annoying.

Well I would agree that tickly jabbi jab is annoying and needs to go just like WB spamming but bitting jabs is all a templar really has .........

AudioVortex

Can't tell if troll or...

xarguideb17_ESO

Stam dk tank is impossible to kill for me (stamblade), but indeed they dont have much dps either. He had black rose heavy set and endurance set and 37k stam. It does seem unfair that dk is still the only class who can permablock bc they can get resources back with ults. I wouldnt cry for nerf for this however. I do need to upgrade my own equipment.
Btw how do you send tells crossfaction?

contact.opiumb16_ESO

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Just as a "more you know" moment all DKs can really do in pvp right now is hide behind a shield in full heavy armor block cast spam flame lash. That's all a DK can do in pvp. Were more useless in pvp than templars and that is saying something.

As a templar i do agree ! DK and temps are the useless classes in pvp

Asmael

xarguideb17_ESO wrote: »

Btw how do you send tells crossfaction?

Say you wanna /w a guy named MyLittleDK...

/t MyLittleDK,

Then spacebar. Notice the coma.

I think I saw a "Whisper target" in my controls as well, but this might come from an addon (I'm thinking pChat).

Stoney_McGeee

is this real?
you must really suck if you're getting killed by a tank hhahahhahaha

go play lego star wars or minecraft.. just turn the game in.

xarguideb17_ESO

Stoney_McGeee wrote: »

is this real?
you must really suck if you're getting killed by a tank hhahahhahaha

go play lego star wars or minecraft.. just turn the game in.

Are you for real?
You must really suck at life with zero tolerant comments like this.
That's not very constructive advice you're giving.

ZOS actually tried to do something against this kind of gameplay (permablocking). They removed staminaregen while blocking. But this doesn't bother DK-s much, who have tons of stamina and an ultimate to cast every once in a while.
They can still permablock, and block cast 1vX. Also there are techniques to do decent dps like this.
So ZOS mostly screwed blocking for other classes with this change.

Armitas

Permablock was never a real problem to begin with. It was an inconvenience.

SHADOW2KK

DKs have been nerfed to pretty much nothing, they are a shadow of their former greatness....

Nerf these bloody whine threads I say, if you cannot kill a DK then l2p, dont come on the forums crying about nerf this, or nerf that.

There are counters to every skill, there are ways to defeat every class, take the time out, perfect or indeed learn your build OP, and adapt and get a grip.

Bloody entitlement of some players in this game, if you cannot kill something due to w/e, then its the classes fault, its never them or their possible lack of skill, or w/e, and classes get nerfed to the point of a friggin fly could kill them.

/facepalm

1Grumpy_dunmer1

You just earned my first L2P comment. Congrats!

Forestd16b14_ESO

You know this did get me thinking that tank builds in general need buffed for PvP. Cause all the CC spamming from fear to wrecking blow does tend to drain stamina pretty fast. Maybe if heavy armor had it's reduce break free cost as a passive again and maybe reduce snare perhaps.

rodderstheangry

Cathexis wrote: »

Imagine how stam sorcs feel fighting dk tanks.

How do you fight someone who can match your dps output, has massive tanking abilities, and has nearly triple your defensive stats?

That's what you get for playing a stam sorc. DKs do NOT need a nerf. They need some buffs.

vortexman11

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aco5712

Yonkit wrote: »

DK's are so OP. I saw one kill like 50 people in their banner, then chained banners and solo took a keep against an entire pvp raid. Talons, inhale, shield bash and banner. OP.

wait what year is this?

@Yonkit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLI0lqIMTkU

a.skelton92

oxxalejandroxxo wrote: »

I think too tanky might be an understatement here, a lot of times DKs are almost impossible to kill in 1 vs 1 duel! Even DKs are frustrated by the fact that they simply cannot kill another DK 1 on 1 after a loooooong fight. I think ZOS should do something to nurf DKs a little bit, at least to make them less god like??

Who gives a *** how long they can survive if they also have crappy damage.. Just let him continue to nibble on your ankles while you kill someone else. They are hardly gods.. More like anvils.. Yeah they can take a beating but they wont kill anyone, unless it was dropoed on your head.

a.skelton92

aco5712 wrote: »

Yonkit wrote: »

DK's are so OP. I saw one kill like 50 people in their banner, then chained banners and solo took a keep against an entire pvp raid. Talons, inhale, shield bash and banner. OP.

wait what year is this?

@Yonkit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLI0lqIMTkU

Dont even know what i was watching there.. Some yank spamming impulse?